Done Deal. SBC to buy AT&T

In article <[email protected]>,
Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:48:08 GMT, Tropical Haven <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >I think that other factors were involved. While AT&T had no competition
> >and could just set prices as it saw fit,
>
> The trouble is that's not the way it is/was. AT&T as far as long
> distance rates was always under the watch of the FCC and state
> regulatory bodies. They were guaranteed a rate of return and beyond a
> certain point they were prohibited from charging rates above that
> limit.

And of course they never arranged their accounting to minimize the
profit on paper. NOT

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 02 Feb
2005 23:45:39 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:

>> I wasn't around for ALL of AT&T's glory, but all I hear from people is
>> how service went from the best, to barely acceptable with the breakup.
>> Not only do they complain that prices have gone up (more than simple
>> inflation), but that service and quality have degraded. The old saying
>> "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" is heard often.

>I may be older than you. I heard horror stories of its arrogance
>throughout the sixties and seventies and eighties from all the people I
>know. Sorry, it was BAD before the breakup. ...

Nonsense. AT&T had and still has very good to excellent customer service.
For example, AT&T WorldNet is an excellent ISP.

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> Nonsense. AT&T had and still has very good to excellent customer service.
> For example, AT&T WorldNet is an excellent ISP.

Their ISP related services are top notch.
That's why I know my internet service will probably get worse.
Once you are at the top, the only way you can go is down.
And the fact that it gives you a direct connection
to AT&T's IP network is also a major plus. :-)

Many technology annalist that I have heard comment about
AT&T's IP network, say one clear message..

It is the largest, highest capacity, highest reliability,
and most highly advanced network in the world, bar non.

I have looked at the specs for AT&T's and SBC's local systems in Texas.
(SBC's home turf)
As it stands, AT&T's local Texas system has over
16 times the capacity that SBC's Texas network has.
In some places, AT&T's capacity is 48X that of SBC's system.
And SBC's system is designed to feed cable head ends.
What are the possibilities with 16 to 48 times that.

The CEO of SBC said that he is excited to have the chance to put
traffic on AT&T's fiber network.

And SBC is saying that it is going to utilize AT&T's fiber network
To support the "project lightspeed" service they are planning to role out.
It will use FTTP (fiber to the premises) technology, and FTTN (fiber to the
node)
And only a fiber network like AT&T's will be able to support it.

"In existing neighborhoods, or "overbuild" situations, SBC plans to use an
FTTN architecture, which on average takes fiber to within 3,000 feet of
homes being served and makes use of advanced compression technologies along
with IP switching to deliver high-quality TV, Internet access and voice
services. FTTN is capable of delivering 20 to 25 megabits downstream,
sufficient to simultaneously deliver four streams of TV programming,
including HDTV and Internet access with robust speeds, and IP voice -all on
a common IP network platform."

And fiber is one of the only technologies that will be able to bring
A high speed internet connection to my house.
I am too far away from town to get ISDN and DSL.
But fiber will fit the bill nicely.

Think about it.
I'll be able to pull a 20Mbps stream.

And I'll still have a connection to the largest, highest capacity, highest
reliability,
and most highly advanced network in the world.
But I will have a 20Mbps pipe, instead of a 26Kbps pipe.

If the lightspeed project comes through,
I may like the AT&T/SBC pair after all...... :-)

In article <[email protected]>,
"N9WOS" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Think about it.
> I'll be able to pull a 20Mbps stream.

When, and at what cost? and still be capped at 128L upstream?

> at what cost?
Lets see...
We are paying $70 a month for Directv
We are paying $60 a month for two phone lines.
We are paying $20 a month for internet service.

So if they can deliver it to us for under $150 a month,
I will be saving money.

>still be capped at 128L upstream?

SBC DSL isn't even limited to that level now.
The $36.99 package with 1.5 to 3Mbps downstream,
has an upstream of 384Kbps

Both their current ADSL packages has an upstream
of 1/10 their maximum downstream.

So, a FTTN connection with 20Mbps downstream
will probably stick to that rule.
It will probably have a 2Mbps upstream.

In article <[email protected]>,
"N9WOS" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > at what cost?
> Lets see...
> We are paying $70 a month for Directv
> We are paying $60 a month for two phone lines.
> We are paying $20 a month for internet service.
>
> So if they can deliver it to us for under $150 a month,
> I will be saving money.
>
> >still be capped at 128L upstream?
>
> SBC DSL isn't even limited to that level now.
> The $36.99 package with 1.5 to 3Mbps downstream,
> has an upstream of 384Kbps

WRONG !

It has speeds of *** upto *** the numbers you list, depending in large
part upon your distance from a Central Office or Terminal Station.
They very specifically state they do not guarantee any specific speed.

> It has speeds of *** upto *** the numbers you list, depending in large
> part upon your distance from a Central Office or Terminal Station.
> They very specifically state they do not guarantee any specific speed.

Duuuuuuuuuuu...............

"Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> WRONG !
>
> It has speeds of *** upto *** the numbers you list, depending in large
> part upon your distance from a Central Office or Terminal Station.
> They very specifically state they do not guarantee any specific speed.

No internet provider guarantees speed. It is all marketed as a 'best
effort' product.

In article <[email protected]>,
"N9WOS" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > It has speeds of *** upto *** the numbers you list, depending in large
> > part upon your distance from a Central Office or Terminal Station.
> > They very specifically state they do not guarantee any specific speed.
>
> Duuuuuuuuuuu...............

Make sure you cut out your post that elicited that response since you
didn't indicate any awareness of the caveat I posted. Duhhhhh:

Original message:

> SBC DSL isn't even limited to that level now.
> The $36.99 package with 1.5 to 3Mbps downstream,
> has an upstream of 384Kbps

WRONG !

It has speeds of *** upto *** the numbers you list, depending in large
part upon your distance from a Central Office or Terminal Station.
They very specifically state they do not guarantee any specific speed.