How long before Cingular retreats from Feb 13 price increases?

Jack Zwick wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Isaiah Beard <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Jack Zwick wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Verizon $59.99 for 500 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
>>>Verizon $79.99 for 1000 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
>>>
>>>SprintPCS $70 for 800 minutes (with "Fair & Flexible" ; 900 minutes
>>> @$75)
>>> (additional lines $10)
>>
>>>And if a Husband, Wife and Mother-in-Law wanted to share 500 minutes,
>>>Verizon is the clear price leader now.
>>
>>
>>I suppose, IF you wanted to share 500 minutes ($59.99 + 9.99 + 9.99 =
>>79.97). Yet for 3 cents more, Sprint will give you 800 minutes for the
>>same three phones ($70 for two phones + $10 for an add-on = $80).
>
>
>
>
> Where did you learn math? Verizon would be $69.98 for three phones,
> SprintPCS $80.


Calm down. It wasn't explained that Verizon Wireless's new family share
plans come automatically with 2 phones, explaining the 9.99 discrepancy.


>
>>*shrug* I guess if you really want to pinch pennies, yes Verizon is the
>>cost leader. But I know that if I'm sharing minutes with three phones,
>>I'll gladly pay the extre three cents for those extra minutes.
>

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In article <[email protected]>,
Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:

> Jack Zwick wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Isaiah Beard <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Jack Zwick wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Verizon $59.99 for 500 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
> >>>Verizon $79.99 for 1000 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
> >>>
> >>>SprintPCS $70 for 800 minutes (with "Fair & Flexible" ; 900 minutes
> >>> @$75)
> >>> (additional lines $10)
> >>
> >>>And if a Husband, Wife and Mother-in-Law wanted to share 500 minutes,
> >>>Verizon is the clear price leader now.
> >>
> >>
> >>I suppose, IF you wanted to share 500 minutes ($59.99 + 9.99 + 9.99 =
> >>79.97). Yet for 3 cents more, Sprint will give you 800 minutes for the
> >>same three phones ($70 for two phones + $10 for an add-on = $80).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Where did you learn math? Verizon would be $69.98 for three phones,
> > SprintPCS $80.
>
>
> Calm down. It wasn't explained that Verizon Wireless's new family share
> plans come automatically with 2 phones, explaining the 9.99 discrepancy.


All the plan prices listed by me were for two phones, if he hadn't
snipped my post that would be obvious to you.


Originally the post read:

Suppose you're a Husband and Wife and want to share 2 phones with 500 to
700 monthly minutes.

Cingular $59.98 for 450 minutes (additional lines $19.99)
Cingular $69.98 for 600 minutes (additional lines $19.99)
Cingular $79.98 for 900 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
(all Cingular plans over $39.99 have rollover)

Verizon $59.99 for 500 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
Verizon $79.99 for 1000 minutes (additional lines $9.99)

SprintPCS $70 for 800 minutes (with "Fair & Flexible" ; 900 minutes
@$75)
(additional lines $10)

T-Mobile $69.99 for 900 minutes (additional lines $10)


And if a Husband, Wife and Mother-in-Law wanted to share 500 minutes,
Verizon is the clear price leader now.

>
>
> >
> >>*shrug* I guess if you really want to pinch pennies, yes Verizon is the
> >>cost leader. But I know that if I'm sharing minutes with three phones,
> >>I'll gladly pay the extre three cents for those extra minutes.
> >

Jack Zwick wrote:
> We wont even address the price increases for Cell phone internet surfing
> and messaging by Cingular.

Cool. I saw this coming... Now he's found something to whine about at Cingular.

Let's see... Cingular, ATTWS, Sprint. Next he'll go to T-Mobile, then Verizon
and maybe Alltel, and will run out of carriers to complain about after using
each one of those three carriers (I'm assuming Alltel has coverage in his part
of Texas).

If I was a betting man, I'd lay good odds on this happening.

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"In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor
Valley is the sun." -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large
amount of rain the Southland has gotten this winter (January 12th, 2005)

Jack Zwick wrote:
> We wont even address the price increases for Cell phone internet surfing
> and messaging by Cingular.
>
>
> Suppose you're a Husband and Wife and want to share 2 phones with 500 to
> 700 monthly minutes.
>
> Cingular $59.98 for 450 minutes (additional lines $19.99)
> Cingular $69.98 for 600 minutes (additional lines $19.99)
> Cingular $79.98 for 900 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
> (all Cingular plans over $39.99 have rollover)
>
> Verizon $59.99 for 500 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
> Verizon $79.99 for 1000 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
>
> SprintPCS $70 for 800 minutes (with "Fair & Flexible" ; 900 minutes
> @$75)
> (additional lines $10)
>
> T-Mobile $69.99 for 900 minutes (additional lines $10)
>
>
> And if a Husband, Wife and Mother-in-Law wanted to share 500 minutes,
> Verizon is the clear price leader now.
>
> =================
> Time will tell. Will Cingular retreat from it's price increase?, or will
> the Cingular's price increase give cover for SprintPCS and Verizon to
> also raise prices?
>
> Didn't Cingular's shills assure us that their takeover of ATTWS wouldn't
> affect the competitvness of the Cellular Market? They were wrong.


Jack,
Are the price listed for the plans all include 2 lines e.g. the
SprintPCS $70 for 800 minutes includes 2 lines, with additional lines at
$9.99?
We have 2 phones now each with the $30 300 minutes plan. Thinking of
adding a phone for our kid. So we need 3 lines. Any suggestions? Or
do you think retention can offer better options/plans since our
individual plans are expiring.

Steve Sobol wrote:
> Jack Zwick wrote:
>> We wont even address the price increases for Cell phone
>> internet surfing and messaging by Cingular.
>
> Cool. I saw this coming... Now he's found something to
> whine about at Cingular.
>
> Let's see... Cingular, ATTWS, Sprint. Next he'll go to
> T-Mobile, then Verizon and maybe Alltel, and will run out
> of carriers to complain about after using each one of
> those three carriers (I'm assuming Alltel has coverage in
> his part of Texas).

Heh, at least he's rational... I'd trade our (VZW) resident
complainer for him any day. -

-Quick

Quick wrote:

> Heh, at least he's rational... I'd trade our (VZW) resident
> complainer for him any day. -

No, you wouldn't want to. He misrepresents everything that is said to him,
occasionally telling flat-out lies, and he likes to morph. Although maybe he
doesn't like to morph anymore... but he used to all the time in the spcs
newsgroup to evade people's killfiles. I'm sure he will reply to this with some
stupid retort about Sprint that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand,
because he can't (well, probably *won't*) deny that he does what I just claimed
he does. Or maybe he'll launch another personal attack against me.

Oh yeah, he swore up and down when he left Sprint for Cingular that he would
NEVER post in the Sprint newsgroup again. Several people caught him in *that* lie.

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"In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor
Valley is the sun." -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large
amount of rain the Southland has gotten this winter (January 12th, 2005)

In article <1108488433.155202@sj-nntpcache-3>,
"Quick" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Steve Sobol wrote:
> > Jack Zwick wrote:
> >> We wont even address the price increases for Cell phone
> >> internet surfing and messaging by Cingular.
> >
> > Cool. I saw this coming... Now he's found something to
> > whine about at Cingular.
> >
> > Let's see... Cingular, ATTWS, Sprint. Next he'll go to
> > T-Mobile, then Verizon and maybe Alltel, and will run out
> > of carriers to complain about after using each one of
> > those three carriers (I'm assuming Alltel has coverage in
> > his part of Texas).
>
> Heh, at least he's rational... I'd trade our (VZW) resident
> complainer for him any day. -

Thank you Quick.

I guess "I love Ohio" Sobol didn't see the post with 14 reasons why I
like Cingular as opposed to Sprint. To remind him:

==========


I have many reasons to still prefer Cingular. Here are 14. YMMV

A) I got my Cingular plan before the current increases.

B) I have Rollover (currently over 1500 minutes banked),
* * so I don't need to pay for 7 PM nights to try and decrease usage.

C) I have Quality phones (a v600 and a T637) that don't overheat in use
* * *and pre-maturally die long before contract is up like plastic
* * * CDMA Sanyo phones do. After 8 months my Cingular phones
* * * look and act like new. Sanyo phones were failing after 3 months,
* * * but would pass sprintPCS "tests"
C2) My Cingular phones have ample memory for ring tones and pictures.
C3) omes time to upgrade my phone, I just move my SIM card,
* * *no activation grief, no problems with transferring phone book.
C4) Having phones which are sold in the millions worldwide makes it
* * *much easier to get accessories, and not be subjected to
* * * outrageous accessory prices charged by Carrier.

D) With 850 MHz GSM I have better indoor reception than 1900 MHz CDMA.

E) With GSM I have better coverage in SE Texas.

F) With GSM I have better voice quality than CDMA.

G) I don't have L O N G hold times for Customer service, and I don't
* * get hung up on or lied to by reps with Handle Time
* * maximums to worry about.

H) With Cingular I have relatives that are also on Cingular for
* * free Mobile to Mobile, and free Mobile to Mobile is not an
* * extra cost or sometime add-on.

I) I kept my Mobile number when I ported to Cingular, and Cingular
credited me for the 3 days it took SprintPCS to release the numbers.

J) Should I go out of the country, I can still use my phone.

K) Dropped calls are flat not an issue anymore.

Jack Zwick wrote:

> I guess "I love Ohio" Sobol didn't see the post with 14 reasons why I
> like Cingular as opposed to Sprint. To remind him:

You still haven't replied to the fact that you said you were leaving the SPCS
newsgroup for good, and then came back. All of this is documented on Google
Groups. OTOH, I'm not replying to your little jab, as I've already replied to
it. At least twice.

And the issue is not that you like Cingular better. I assumed that you still
prefer Cingular. But now you've launched at least two separate complaint
threads about Cingular, after crowing about them when you left Sprint. My point
was that you will eventually get annoyed and leave them too. I'm pretty well
convinced that no wireless provider is going to be good enough for you, and
that you will eventually have tried all of them.

> G) I don't have L O N G hold times for Customer service, and I don't
> get hung up on or lied to by reps with Handle Time
> maximums to worry about.

And there are documented complaints from others about these exact issues with
Cingular. There are even complaints about Verizon, which is supposed to have
the best CS in the industry. What's your point, other than to lower the signal
to noise ratio in the newsgroups in which you post?

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Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [email protected] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED

"In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor
Valley is the sun." -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large
amount of rain the Southland has gotten this winter (January 12th, 2005)

>>Calm down. It wasn't explained that Verizon Wireless's new family share
>>plans come automatically with 2 phones, explaining the 9.99 discrepancy.
>
>
>
> All the plan prices listed by me were for two phones, if he hadn't
> snipped my post that would be obvious to you.
>
>
> Originally the post read:
>
> Suppose you're a Husband and Wife and want to share 2 phones with 500 to
> 700 monthly minutes.
>
> Cingular $59.98 for 450 minutes (additional lines $19.99)
> Cingular $69.98 for 600 minutes (additional lines $19.99)
> Cingular $79.98 for 900 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
> (all Cingular plans over $39.99 have rollover)
>
> Verizon $59.99 for 500 minutes (additional lines $9.99)

By my math, it would appear to cost $59.99 for 500 minutes and $9.99 for
the second line, bringing the cost of 500 minutes AND a second line to
$69.98.

> Verizon $79.99 for 1000 minutes (additional lines $9.99)
>
> SprintPCS $70 for 800 minutes (with "Fair & Flexible" ; 900 minutes
> @$75)
> (additional lines $10)
>
> T-Mobile $69.99 for 900 minutes (additional lines $10)
>
>
> And if a Husband, Wife and Mother-in-Law wanted to share 500 minutes,
> Verizon is the clear price leader now.
>
>
>>
>>>>*shrug* I guess if you really want to pinch pennies, yes Verizon is the
>>>>cost leader. But I know that if I'm sharing minutes with three phones,
>>>>I'll gladly pay the extre three cents for those extra minutes.
>>>

In article <[email protected]>,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Quick wrote:
> >
> > > Heh, at least he's rational... I'd trade our (VZW) resident
> > > complainer for him any day. -
> >
> > No, you wouldn't want to. He misrepresents everything that is said to him,
> > occasionally telling flat-out lies, and he likes to morph.
>
> Wow, right until that last part I couldn't tell if you were talking
> about Zwick or John Navas.

Sobol is the one who said on his web site how he loved Ohio, would never
move, and then POOF he was in California.

In article <[email protected]>,
Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:


>
> By my math, it would appear to cost $59.99 for 500 minutes and $9.99 for
> the second line, bringing the cost of 500 minutes AND a second line to
> $69.98.


Your math is wrong. The Verizon $59.98 is for 2 lines.

Jack Zwick wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>By my math, it would appear to cost $59.99 for 500 minutes and $9.99 for
>>the second line, bringing the cost of 500 minutes AND a second line to
>>$69.98.
>
>
>
> Your math is wrong. The Verizon $59.98 is for 2 lines.

You didn't explicitly say that earlier. Just because you are a husband
and wife and want to share 2 phones, that doesn't mean the rate plan
quoted to you will be for two phones, especially when you also quote
additonal lines.

TH

Where have you been for the past 30 days? Anyone who hasn't just awakened
from a coma should know their family share is 59.98 for two lines and 9.99
each for up to 3 additional. It was hot talk here and on all the other
verizon boards... is advertised on radio and in newspapers. (Maybe tv to,
but I don't watch tv.)



"Tropical Haven" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>> Your math is wrong. The Verizon $59.98 is for 2 lines.
>
> You didn't explicitly say that earlier. Just because you are a husband
> and wife and want to share 2 phones, that doesn't mean the rate plan
> quoted to you will be for two phones, especially when you also quote
> additonal lines.
>
> TH
>

Jack Zwick wrote:

> Sobol is the one who said on his web site how he loved Ohio, would never
> move, and then POOF he was in California.

So why *are* you continuing to post to the Sprint newsgroup after you've said
you leave? (This would make at least the third time I've asked.)

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Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [email protected] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED

"In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor
Valley is the sun." -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large
amount of rain the Southland has gotten this winter (January 12th, 2005)

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

> Wow, right until that last part I couldn't tell if you were talking
> about Zwick or John Navas.

I know you don't get along well with John Navas, but I personally don't have
any issues with him.

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Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [email protected] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED

"In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor
Valley is the sun." -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large
amount of rain the Southland has gotten this winter (January 12th, 2005)