Cingular Unlock Policy

In article <[email protected]>,
"Jiu Jitsuperfly" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Jiu Jitsuperfly" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> > In article <[email protected]>,
> >> > "John Hawkes" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> "Evan Platt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> >> > On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 21:44:49 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
> >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>WRONG.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>I bought 3 phones (so far) from Cingular retail stores. All 3 were
> >> >> >>unlocked. I paid full retail price for them; since they are not
> >> >> >>subsidized phones, apparently Cingular felt no need for a subsidy
> >> >> >>lock.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm sorry, I should have clarified with a discount they won't sell
> >> >> > it
> >> >> > unlocked. Yes, if you pay full retail price, it'll be unocked.
> >> >>
> >> >> I bought a *discounted* Moto V400 4-band phone from a local Cingular
> >> >> store about a year ago, and it was unlocked.
> >> >
> >> > But Cingular has learned from ATTWS, and now sells locked phones.
> >>
> >>
> >> They've always sold locked phones, retard.
> >>
> >> You spread more lies and disinformation than the Democrats.
> >
> > Insulting me and the Democratic Party will not change the fact that
> > Cingular used to sell Quad band unlocked phones, but no longer does so.
>
>
> So now you want to play semantic games and change the argument.
>
> Wonder where we've seen this before?

Nope, just correcting your errors, for which instead of apologizing you
mislabel a semantic game.

You owe both myself and Mr. Hawkes an apology.

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"Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Jiu Jitsuperfly" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > In article <[email protected]>,
>> > "Jiu Jitsuperfly" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email protected]...
>> >> > In article <[email protected]>,
>> >> > "John Hawkes" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Evan Platt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:[email protected]...
>> >> >> > On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 21:44:49 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
>> >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>WRONG.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>I bought 3 phones (so far) from Cingular retail stores. All 3
>> >> >> >>were
>> >> >> >>unlocked. I paid full retail price for them; since they are not
>> >> >> >>subsidized phones, apparently Cingular felt no need for a subsidy
>> >> >> >>lock.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I'm sorry, I should have clarified with a discount they won't
>> >> >> > sell
>> >> >> > it
>> >> >> > unlocked. Yes, if you pay full retail price, it'll be unocked.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I bought a *discounted* Moto V400 4-band phone from a local
>> >> >> Cingular
>> >> >> store about a year ago, and it was unlocked.
>> >> >
>> >> > But Cingular has learned from ATTWS, and now sells locked phones.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> They've always sold locked phones, retard.
>> >>
>> >> You spread more lies and disinformation than the Democrats.
>> >
>> > Insulting me and the Democratic Party will not change the fact that
>> > Cingular used to sell Quad band unlocked phones, but no longer does so.
>>
>>
>> So now you want to play semantic games and change the argument.
>>
>> Wonder where we've seen this before?
>
> Nope, just correcting your errors, for which instead of apologizing you
> mislabel a semantic game.
>
> You owe both myself and Mr. Hawkes an apology.


What dream world do you live on? You said that Cingular did not sell locked
phones until they learned that practice from AWS. This is a completely FALSE
statement. Cingular phones have always been locked. Just because a few
Motorolas came unlocked does not mean that all the phones previously sold
were magically unlocked.

You need to get real and stop spreading half truths and lies.

If you knew half of what you thought you know you'd still be wrong.

--
JJ

In article <[email protected]>,
"Jiu Jitsuperfly" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Jiu Jitsuperfly" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> > In article <[email protected]>,
> >> > "Jiu Jitsuperfly" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> "Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> >> > In article <[email protected]>,
> >> >> > "John Hawkes" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Evan Platt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> >> >> > On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 21:44:49 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
> >> >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>WRONG.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>I bought 3 phones (so far) from Cingular retail stores. All 3
> >> >> >> >>were
> >> >> >> >>unlocked. I paid full retail price for them; since they are not
> >> >> >> >>subsidized phones, apparently Cingular felt no need for a subsidy
> >> >> >> >>lock.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I'm sorry, I should have clarified with a discount they won't
> >> >> >> > sell
> >> >> >> > it
> >> >> >> > unlocked. Yes, if you pay full retail price, it'll be unocked.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I bought a *discounted* Moto V400 4-band phone from a local
> >> >> >> Cingular
> >> >> >> store about a year ago, and it was unlocked.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > But Cingular has learned from ATTWS, and now sells locked phones.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> They've always sold locked phones, retard.
> >> >>
> >> >> You spread more lies and disinformation than the Democrats.
> >> >
> >> > Insulting me and the Democratic Party will not change the fact that
> >> > Cingular used to sell Quad band unlocked phones, but no longer does so.
> >>
> >>
> >> So now you want to play semantic games and change the argument.
> >>
> >> Wonder where we've seen this before?
> >
> > Nope, just correcting your errors, for which instead of apologizing you
> > mislabel a semantic game.
> >
> > You owe both myself and Mr. Hawkes an apology.
>
>
> What dream world do you live on? You said that Cingular did not sell locked
> phones until they learned that practice from AWS. This is a completely FALSE
> statement. Cingular phones have always been locked. Just because a few
> Motorolas came unlocked does not mean that all the phones previously sold
> were magically unlocked.


The poster said his V400 was sold to him unlocked (as was my T637 and I
think a Sony T637 is not a Motorola phone). Now they sell those phones
locked. They learned it from ATTWS.

Sorry you cant handle the truth, and have to invent stories.

>
> You need to get real and stop spreading half truths and lies.
>
> If you knew half of what you thought you know you'd still be wrong.
>
> --
> JJ

In article <[email protected]>,
Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 01:31:06 GMT, "Mr.~G." <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >How can you tell if your phone is unlocked?
>
> Put a non-cingular SIM card in it. If it says rejected it's locked.

What if it says "Unregistered" ?

> What dream world do you live on? You said that Cingular did not sell locked
> phones until they learned that practice from AWS. This is a completely FALSE
> statement. Cingular phones have always been locked. Just because a few
> Motorolas came unlocked does not mean that all the phones previously sold
> were magically unlocked.

I have heard that for a period of time Cingular sold all world phones
unlocked. I have had access to a few, and they were unlocked, however I
feel my sample was not fairly representing the sales of Cingular
handsets for any period of time.

TH

> The poster said his V400 was sold to him unlocked (as was my T637 and I
> think a Sony T637 is not a Motorola phone). Now they sell those phones
> locked. They learned it from ATTWS.

Cingular did sell locked phones before it acquired ATTWS. However, that
doesn't mean that *all* of Cingular's phones were locked previously, but
it doesn't mean they were unlocked, either.

> Sorry you cant handle the truth, and have to invent stories.
>
>
>>You need to get real and stop spreading half truths and lies.
>>
>>If you knew half of what you thought you know you'd still be wrong.
>>
>>--
>>JJ
>

On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:26:46 -0800, Joseph <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 01:31:06 GMT, "Mr.~G." <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>How can you tell if your phone is unlocked?
>
>Put a non-cingular SIM card in it. If it says rejected it's locked.
>
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>

Just for drill, I took the SIM out of my wife's Nokia, which is on an
AT&T account, and put it in my V551 on Cingular. It worked perfectly!
Reported my wife's number, and allowed me to make a call. Maybe this
wasn't a good test being that AT&T and Cingular are related now. My
V551 was purchased through Amazon.com in December. Does this prove my
V551 is unlocked, or do I need to try the SIM from some other carrier?

"Dick" <LeadWinger> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:26:46 -0800, Joseph <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 01:31:06 GMT, "Mr.~G." <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>How can you tell if your phone is unlocked?
>>
>>Put a non-cingular SIM card in it. If it says rejected it's locked.
>>
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>>
>
> Just for drill, I took the SIM out of my wife's Nokia, which is on an
> AT&T account, and put it in my V551 on Cingular. It worked perfectly!
> Reported my wife's number, and allowed me to make a call. Maybe this
> wasn't a good test being that AT&T and Cingular are related now. My
> V551 was purchased through Amazon.com in December. Does this prove my
> V551 is unlocked, or do I need to try the SIM from some other carrier?

Yes you're V551 is unlocked as is every V551 released within the first 2
months of the buyout/merger.

--
JJ

"Tropical Haven" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> What dream world do you live on? You said that Cingular did not sell
>> locked phones until they learned that practice from AWS. This is a
>> completely FALSE statement. Cingular phones have always been locked. Just
>> because a few Motorolas came unlocked does not mean that all the phones
>> previously sold were magically unlocked.
>
> I have heard that for a period of time Cingular sold all world phones
> unlocked. I have had access to a few, and they were unlocked, however I
> feel my sample was not fairly representing the sales of Cingular handsets
> for any period of time.

And they will still unlock any world phone for you* if you know the right
people to ask.

I'm sure Jack will be happy to post this information** since he knows
everything there is to know about Cingualr wireless services and policies

* this is if you are on a Cingualr wireless plan, in good standing, and a
customer for more than 90 days.

** If Jack can't, and we know he can't, I will be happy too.

--
JJ






















































The email address for the subsidy unlock request is:

[email protected]

Please include the following:

Customer name:

Account number:

Mobile number:

Social Security Number:

Make and Model of Phone (ie: Motorola v551):

IMEI number (this can be retrieved from the phone by pressing *#06# on the
keypad of the phone):

Reason request:

Jack Zwick wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 01:31:06 GMT, "Mr.~G." <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>How can you tell if your phone is unlocked?
>>
>>Put a non-cingular SIM card in it. If it says rejected it's locked.
>
>
> What if it says "Unregistered" ?

That means the SIM card is not a valid (working) SIM card. If it's the
SIM card of another provider and it comes up "Unregistered" that means
that it's unlocked, as it has passed the subsidy code test to reach the
"Unregistered" status.

TH

In article <[email protected]>,
"Jiu Jitsuperfly" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "Dick" <LeadWinger> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:26:46 -0800, Joseph <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 01:31:06 GMT, "Mr.~G." <[email protected]>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>How can you tell if your phone is unlocked?
> >>
> >>Put a non-cingular SIM card in it. If it says rejected it's locked.
> >>
> >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >>
> >
> > Just for drill, I took the SIM out of my wife's Nokia, which is on an
> > AT&T account, and put it in my V551 on Cingular. It worked perfectly!
> > Reported my wife's number, and allowed me to make a call. Maybe this
> > wasn't a good test being that AT&T and Cingular are related now. My
> > V551 was purchased through Amazon.com in December. Does this prove my
> > V551 is unlocked, or do I need to try the SIM from some other carrier?
>
> Yes you're V551 is unlocked as is every V551 released within the first 2
> months of the buyout/merger.

And every v400 and v600 sold the previous year. And every Quad band
phone.

And then Cingular learned form ATTWS and starting locking phones that
heretofore were sold unlocked.

In article <[email protected]>,
Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Jack Zwick wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 01:31:06 GMT, "Mr.~G." <[email protected]>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>How can you tell if your phone is unlocked?
> >>
> >>Put a non-cingular SIM card in it. If it says rejected it's locked.
> >
> >
> > What if it says "Unregistered" ?
>
> That means the SIM card is not a valid (working) SIM card. If it's the
> SIM card of another provider and it comes up "Unregistered" that means
> that it's unlocked, as it has passed the subsidy code test to reach the
> "Unregistered" status.

The SIM is an 8 year old Aerial sim.

In article <[email protected]>,
Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:

> > What dream world do you live on? You said that Cingular did not sell locked
> > phones until they learned that practice from AWS. This is a completely
> > FALSE
> > statement. Cingular phones have always been locked. Just because a few
> > Motorolas came unlocked does not mean that all the phones previously sold
> > were magically unlocked.
>
> I have heard that for a period of time Cingular sold all world phones
> unlocked. I have had access to a few, and they were unlocked, however I
> feel my sample was not fairly representing the sales of Cingular
> handsets for any period of time.

Yup its "Jiu" who lives in the dream world that his suppositions are fact
and attack anyone who questions those guess.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Jiu Jitsuperfly" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "Tropical Haven" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >> What dream world do you live on? You said that Cingular did not sell
> >> locked phones until they learned that practice from AWS. This is a
> >> completely FALSE statement. Cingular phones have always been locked. Just
> >> because a few Motorolas came unlocked does not mean that all the phones
> >> previously sold were magically unlocked.
> >
> > I have heard that for a period of time Cingular sold all world phones
> > unlocked. I have had access to a few, and they were unlocked, however I
> > feel my sample was not fairly representing the sales of Cingular handsets
> > for any period of time.
>
> And they will still unlock any world phone for you* if you know the right
> people to ask.
>
> I'm sure Jack will be happy to post this information** since he knows
> everything there is to know about Cingualr wireless services and policies

Au contraire, it's "Jiu" who (like Navas) acts so arrogant that he knows
everything, including secret phone numbers on how to activate phones.

In article <[email protected]>,
Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:

> > The poster said his V400 was sold to him unlocked (as was my T637 and I
> > think a Sony T637 is not a Motorola phone). Now they sell those phones
> > locked. They learned it from ATTWS.
>
> Cingular did sell locked phones before it acquired ATTWS. However, that
> doesn't mean that *all* of Cingular's phones were locked previously, but
> it doesn't mean they were unlocked, either.

Correct.