high speed data

What will cingular, or fot that matter, any gsm carrier going to have to
combat EV-DO that sprint and verizon are going to be putting out?


Capt.

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Capn wrote:

> What will cingular, or fot that matter, any gsm carrier going to have to
> combat EV-DO that sprint and verizon are going to be putting out?
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> Capt.
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I understand Cingular is working on some sort of UMTS implementation.

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jer
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oh, very cool. any timeline on when they plan on implementing it? I wonder
if the speeds will be comparable and which techies will say is the better of
the systems out there.

Capt.

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> Capn wrote:
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>> What will cingular, or fot that matter, any gsm carrier going to have to
>> combat EV-DO that sprint and verizon are going to be putting out?
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>> Capt.
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> I understand Cingular is working on some sort of UMTS implementation.
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> jer
> email reply - I am not a 'ten'

Capn wrote:

> oh, very cool. any timeline on when they plan on implementing it? I wonder
> if the speeds will be comparable and which techies will say is the better of
> the systems out there.
>
> Capt.
>

Seems I recall something about a 3Q05 timeframe. As to how Cingular's
bling compares to anybody elses's bling is beyond my pay scale. I
imagine some of the equipment currently in the stores will require some
sort of upgrade to provide full compatibility with their new network. I
wish I had some protocol details about Cingular Futureworld, but I am
clueless.


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jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:27:58 -0600, Jer wrote:

> Capn wrote:
>
>> What will cingular, or fot that matter, any gsm carrier going to have to
>> combat EV-DO that sprint and verizon are going to be putting out?
>>
>>
>> Capt.
>>
>>
>
>
> I understand Cingular is working on some sort of UMTS implementation.

I just started using it here near Seattle but the Novatel Merlin U520 is
pricey so I gulped and went for it. The usual eighty dollars
unlimitedplan applies here like most carriers. What I have seen is steady
throughput at around 350kbs and latency as low as 200ms. Yes, STEADY! Not
bursty! To provide the umts-hsdpa, they only need to apply a software
upgrade to
the lucent equipment to enable the faster speeds. The current phones and
the merlin ard are limited to 384kbs but later this year there will be
PCMCIA cards that use the newer Qualcomm chip that is just coming out of
fab. The hsdpa upgrade will lower the latency down to around 100ms. I
will tell you that my experiences so far with this show no dormant state,
no image compression and yes, it is even easier to use with Linux than my
old SprintPCS card was since it doesn't need any special port settings
or ppp options. I copied the init string (ATE0V1&D2&C1S0=0+IFC=2,2) from
my windows log as well as the rather strange phone number(*99***1#), and
have it running on my IPCop firewall. It totally ignores the 115k serial
port setting and connects at 384k anyway. The windows software also set
the port at 115k and yet connects at 384k. This is unusual that the 384k
is useable and not just a port speed like CDMA devices do. This feels
underhyped compared to my CDMA experiences. My IPCop dialer requires that
you put a user and password in it so I put
a bogus one and it authenticates by the sim card so everyone is happy. I
DO like the Sim card method much better! No wonder people like it!
This is probably way more than you asked for but I hadn't said anything
on these ng's yet so I figured I'd start here in this thread.

Dave

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:27:58 -0600, Jer wrote:

> Capn wrote:
>
>> What will cingular, or fot that matter, any gsm carrier going to have
>> to combat EV-DO that sprint and verizon are going to be putting out?
>>
>>
>> Capt.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I understand Cingular is working on some sort of UMTS implementation.

I just started using it here near Seattle but the Novatel Merlin U520 is
pricey so I gulped and went for it. The usual eighty dollars unlimited
plan applies here like most carriers. What I have seen is steady
throughput at around 350kbs and latency as low as 200ms. Yes, STEADY! Not
bursty! To provide the umts-hsdpa, they only need to apply a software
upgrade to the lucent equipment to enable the faster speeds. The current
phones and the merlin card are limited to 384kbs but later this year there
will be PCMCIA cards that use the newer Qualcomm chip that is just coming
out of fab. The hsdpa upgrade will lower the latency down to around 100ms. I
will tell you that my experiences so far with this show no dormant state,
no image compression and yes, it is even easier to use with Linux than my
old SprintPCS card was since it doesn't need any special port settings or
ppp options. I copied the init string (ATE0V1&D2&C1S0=0+IFC=2,2) from my
windows log as well as the rather strange phone number(*99***1#), and
have it running on my IPCop firewall. It totally ignores the 115k serial
port setting and connects at 384k anyway. The windows software also set
the port at 115k and yet connects at 384k. This is unusual that the 384k
is useable and not just a port speed like CDMA devices do. This feels
underhyped compared to my CDMA experiences. My IPCop dialer requires that
you put a user and password in it so I put a bogus one and it authenticates
by the sim card so everyone is happy. I DO like the Sim card method much
better! No wonder people like it!
This is probably way more than you asked for but I hadn't said anything on
these ng's yet so I figured I'd start here in this thread.

Dave

Capn wrote:

> oh, very cool. any timeline on when they plan on implementing it? I wonder
> if the speeds will be comparable and which techies will say is the better
> of the systems out there.
>
> Capt.
>
> "Jer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Capn wrote:
>>
>>> What will cingular, or fot that matter, any gsm carrier going to have to
>>> combat EV-DO that sprint and verizon are going to be putting out?
>>>
>>>
>>> Capt.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> I understand Cingular is working on some sort of UMTS implementation.
>>
>> --
>> jer
>> email reply - I am not a 'ten'

I am very happy with UMTS performance and when they upgrade to UMTS-HSDPA
which only requires a software upgrade to the Lucent equipment, we'll be in
the mbs and it has the potential to get 14mbs. What I noticed is that the
384kbs is actually attainable and not some port speed that is NOT
attainable. I have steady file downloads at around 350, not bursty like
other offerings.
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Dave

> I am very happy with UMTS performance and when they upgrade to UMTS-HSDPA
> which only requires a software upgrade to the Lucent equipment, we'll be in
> the mbs and it has the potential to get 14mbs. What I noticed is that the
> 384kbs is actually attainable and not some port speed that is NOT
> attainable. I have steady file downloads at around 350, not bursty like
> other offerings.

I'm glad to hear it's just not hype. It sounds like the implementation
will blow CDMA away. Qualcomm has decided to put more effort into HSDPA
than into the successor of EV-DO (EV-DV) because the carriers aren't
demanding EV-DV. Maybe that's where the future lies.

TH