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  1. #1
    I've got an old Ericsson T19LX (actually a couple for family members too)
    and I could swear the reception is getting worse on all of them.
    Are the shutting down TDMA towers or something now that Cingular has
    bought AT&T and doesn't use it?

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  2. #2
    Turbocane
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    Re: TDMA coverage getting WORSE??


    <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > I've got an old Ericsson T19LX (actually a couple for family members too)
    > and I could swear the reception is getting worse on all of them.
    > Are the shutting down TDMA towers or something now that Cingular has
    > bought AT&T and doesn't use it?


    Yep, it happened to us over a year ago. They are switching to GSM it isn't
    just the AT & T thing. We always had our phone with the same service and
    started in 1999. It got worse and worse and we were reassured it was going
    to get better. Our phones stopped working at our house.

    It is a long story and it was a long battle. We paid lots of bucks to
    Cingular for over a year for their service. We complained to the BBB.
    One of the CS reps in Arkansas told us the FCC wouldn't let them use the
    towers anymore. This was a lie.

    We eventually ported to Verizon as each phone went out of contract. And
    after communication with someone in Altlanta they bought back a GSM phone
    that never worked in our house that we had to bite the bullet on when we
    ported our last phone.

    A friend of mine who lives 500 miles away is now going through the same
    thing that we did. Our problems started over 2 years ago.



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  3. #3
    Jer
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    Re: TDMA coverage getting WORSE??

    [email protected]lid wrote:

    > I've got an old Ericsson T19LX (actually a couple for family members too)
    > and I could swear the reception is getting worse on all of them.
    > Are the shutting down TDMA towers or something now that Cingular has
    > bought AT&T and doesn't use it?
    >


    No wireless service provider is obligated to continue offering TDMA
    service. The fact that any of it still exists today is because they
    know there are still a few TDMA handsets floating around, and those few
    will just have to get used to having their service area get shredded
    even more in the future. Trust me on this, but if Cingular was willing
    to piss of those last few TDMA users, they'd shut down TDMA service
    completely tomorrow, convert those radios to GSM, and continue
    recommending GSM upgrades to 'fix it'.

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  4. #4
    Dan Albrich
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    Re: TDMA coverage getting WORSE??

    The safe thing for Cingular to have done would be to monitor usage. Over
    time and as less folks use TDMA they could migrate that capacity to the GSM
    system.

    Cingular sales are booming, and they apparently need that capacity for the
    GSM system early, or they are trying to force users off TDMA early, or a bit
    of both.

    I can confirm that TDMA coverage here in Eugene OR has gone to crap if it
    helps to have another data point.

    -Dan

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  5. #5
    tom glaab
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    Re: TDMA coverage getting WORSE??

    > The safe thing for Cingular to have done would be to monitor usage.
    Over
    > time and as less folks use TDMA they could migrate that capacity to

    the GSM
    > system.


    Perhaps they were monitoring it, and when there was just one family
    using the cell, it was time to cut it over :-)

    tg.




  6. #6
    Turbocane
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    Re: TDMA coverage getting WORSE??


    "tom glaab" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >> The safe thing for Cingular to have done would be to monitor usage.

    > Over
    >> time and as less folks use TDMA they could migrate that capacity to

    > the GSM
    >> system.

    >
    > Perhaps they were monitoring it, and when there was just one family
    > using the cell, it was time to cut it over :-)
    >
    > tg.


    Where we are they screwed up a whole street and with no warning. They
    should at least notify people their phones will no longer work and notify CS
    that it is a permanent thing not a temporary aberration. Also GSM did not
    work at our home. They should have let us out of our contracts.
    >






  7. #7
    Jerome Zelinske
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    Re: TDMA coverage getting WORSE??

    "Safe"? What should cingular be safe from? As soon as any areas are
    completely overlaid with gsm, and I think they all are, cingular can
    stop maintaining the tdma equipment and/or allocate more spectrum to gsm
    and/or just turn the tdma off, in those areas. All of cingular's
    customers have been and all of their future customers are being told for
    a long time now, that cingular is a gsm service. Tdma is deader than
    analog. At least around here, there are no stores where you can go in
    and buy an analog or a tdma phone.



  8. #8
    JohnF
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    Re: TDMA coverage getting WORSE??


    "Jerome Zelinske" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Safe"? What should cingular be safe from? As soon as any areas are
    > completely overlaid with gsm, and I think they all are, cingular can
    > stop maintaining the tdma equipment and/or allocate more spectrum to gsm
    > and/or just turn the tdma off, in those areas. All of cingular's
    > customers have been and all of their future customers are being told for
    > a long time now, that cingular is a gsm service. Tdma is deader than
    > analog. At least around here, there are no stores where you can go in
    > and buy an analog or a tdma phone.


    I'm not sure what you consider "overlaid" but in my area the GSM coverage is
    much worse than TDMA. I get a great TDMA signal at my desk while the GSM
    users have to go over to the window to get a signal. I realize that's not a
    very scientific comparison but what it comes down to one works for me and
    the other doesn't. I don't consider that completely overlaid.





  9. #9
    Jerome Zelinske
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    Re: TDMA coverage getting WORSE??

    What I understood it to mean was that all the tdma antenna sites had
    gsm equipment/antennas added to them.
    None of the carriers, gsm, tdma, CDMA, claim coverage inside buildings.
    Unless of course the building owner/management have contracted with
    the carrier to have an interior antenna micro network site installed.
    If almost all the same outside areas are covered, which they likely are
    if all the tdma sites have had gsm added, that means overlaid to me.
    Within the next two years, there likely will be fill-in sites added.
    When you are at your desks, use your desk phones.
    Enjoy what works for you while you can. Soon it won't work anywhere.



  10. #10
    JohnF
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    Re: TDMA coverage getting WORSE??


    "Jerome Zelinske" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > When you are at your desks, use your desk phones.


    Nice thought but I try not to make it a habit of giving out my work phone
    for personal business and if I did I won't always be there so I'd rather
    they just call my cell phone.

    > Enjoy what works for you while you can. Soon it won't work anywhere.


    If at some time TDMA actually does get worse and doesn't work "anywhere"
    I'll re-evaluate Cingular's GSM with other carriers and see which company
    fits my needs. But to answer the original posters question, TDMA has not
    gotten worse in my area and still has better coverage than GSM. I currently
    have no reason to switch and I'm hoping by the time I'm forced to switch
    they'll have gotten the GSM coverage solved and it'll be a non-issue. I
    think it's a bit early to be worrying about it though.





  11. #11
    Jerome Zelinske
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    Re: TDMA coverage getting WORSE??

    Of course, since all personal calls are made before work, after work,
    during breaks, and during lunch, one doesn't need to be at their desk to
    make them. Therefore having one's wireless carrier's signal reach
    inside to their desk is not needed.
    "If at some time tdma actually does get worse"? Off would be certainly
    worse, but there is no "if" just when. Again, if almost everywhere
    outside there is coverage, then the carriers don't feel there is a
    problem.



  12. #12
    JohnF
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    Re: TDMA coverage getting WORSE??


    "Jerome Zelinske" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Of course, since all personal calls are made before work, after work,
    > during breaks, and during lunch, one doesn't need to be at their desk to
    > make them. Therefore having one's wireless carrier's signal reach inside
    > to their desk is not needed.


    Where did you come up with the idea that ALL personal calls are made before
    or after work? I don't think I implied that anywhere and I'm not going to
    assume that for anyone. Taking a personal call during work is not a problem.
    When I do get a call I want it to go through. If I can't receive calls
    what's the point in even having a cell phone? If the cell phone is just for
    outgoing calls then in your example I'd just use whatever phone was
    available and I wouldn't even need a cell phone. Since I use my cell phone
    primarily to receive calls it's not feasible to use whatever phone is
    available. Even if it's just to take a voice mail when I'm in the middle of
    something I want it to work where I spend a majority of my time. My main
    goal is simply to not to have to tie up company resources for personal use.
    How and when I spend my time is not an issue.

    > "If at some time tdma actually does get worse"? Off would be certainly
    > worse, but there is no "if" just when. Again, if almost everywhere
    > outside there is coverage, then the carriers don't feel there is a
    > problem.


    I can't argue that "off would be worse". But again, I think that's going to
    be far enough in the future that it's not worth worrying about right now.
    Certainly not soon enough to jump to a service that has less coverage in my
    area.

    Why are you so hot on wanting people to change to GSM before there's a need
    to? I give you one example of one person where moving to GSM would provide
    worse service and you make up reasons why that's not a problem or why YOU
    think I shouldn't be using it then anyway. If someone starts getting worse
    service with TDMA then it's time to start considering something else. The
    point of this thread was to enquire if TDMA service was getting worse. My
    answer is "no, not in all areas". That fallacy seems to be rampant in this
    newsgroup. In fact GSM worse in some areas. Until it's at least equal, where
    a person needs it, then there's no need to switch.





  13. #13
    Jer
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    Re: TDMA coverage getting WORSE??

    JohnF wrote:


    >
    > Where did you come up with the idea that ALL personal calls are made before
    > or after work? I don't think I implied that anywhere and I'm not going to
    > assume that for anyone. Taking a personal call during work is not a problem.
    > When I do get a call I want it to go through. If I can't receive calls
    > what's the point in even having a cell phone? If the cell phone is just for
    > outgoing calls then in your example I'd just use whatever phone was
    > available and I wouldn't even need a cell phone. Since I use my cell phone
    > primarily to receive calls it's not feasible to use whatever phone is
    > available. Even if it's just to take a voice mail when I'm in the middle of
    > something I want it to work where I spend a majority of my time. My main
    > goal is simply to not to have to tie up company resources for personal use.
    > How and when I spend my time is not an issue.


    Unless you're on a break, allocating your time during a work day for
    personal calls *is* tying up company resources for personal use, but
    it's good that you'd prefer to not add their phone lines to the mix
    because they can bug those. Truth is, the phone lines are a renewable
    resource, but wasted time is not. OTOH, you're probably not chronic
    about it so luck with all that.


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  14. #14
    JohnF
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    Re: TDMA coverage getting WORSE??


    "Jer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Unless you're on a break, allocating your time during a work day for
    > personal calls *is* tying up company resources for personal use, but
    > it's good that you'd prefer to not add their phone lines to the mix
    > because they can bug those. Truth is, the phone lines are a renewable
    > resource, but wasted time is not. OTOH, you're probably not chronic
    > about it so luck with all that.


    This has gotten way off topic but since you seem to want to make an issue of
    it; I put in way more time than is required so a few minutes on a personal
    call does *not* tie up company resources. Don't assume what my companies
    policies are. Just because your fast food job won't let you take a personal
    call don't assume that all professional jobs have those same policies. Just
    trust me that this is not an issue. If this is still a problem for you then
    imagine that I'm on break or eating lunch sitting at my desk on my own time.
    I still can't receive or make a call. Continuing this discussion in no way
    contributes to the original question.

    Trying to change the subject or trying to convince me that I shouldn't be
    using it anyway doesn't change the fact TDMA still has better coverage in
    some areas than GSM. My point is to simply warn people to make sure GSM has
    coverage where they need it before making the jump. I lot of people I know
    in my area are regretting the change. This may not be the case in all areas
    but it's worth investigating first. The blanket statement that GSM coverage
    is as good as TDMA is just not true.





  15. #15
    (Pete Cresswell)
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    Re: TDMA coverage getting WORSE??

    Per Jer:
    >Unless you're on a break, allocating your time during a work day for
    >personal calls *is* tying up company resources for personal use,


    Maybe back in the days when people mostly worked 40 hours a week, and got paid
    for overtime; but in today's context of people having to work 50-55 hours a week
    for forty hours pay in order to keep their jobs - can anybody really afford to
    care?
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