Who's Got Your Number?

On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 09:48:19 -0700, Joseph <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 12:41:37 -0600, scott14661
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>C'mon people that's why the "Do Not Call List" was designed. Use it
>>for what it's intended for.
>
>And you're naïve enough to believe that all companies are going to
>respect that list?
>
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I signed up on the "Do Not Call List" the first day. After it became
effective I received exactly 2 sales calls that I shouldn't have and
they were both in the first month and from local companies.

Non profits can still call as can companies you have done business
with in some set previous time. However you can ask them not to call
and they are obligated not to call you.

So the "Do Not Call List" does work, and from my experience it works
very well.

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In article <[email protected]>,
Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 02:06:52 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Brian
> Gordon) wrote:
>
> >You must not have many cellphone only friends. I have several with no
> >landline
> >at all, so if you can't find their cellphone number, you just can't find
> >them.
>
> Cellphone subscribers *inform* those who they want to have their
> number. Furthermore why should I pay for people to call me that I
> don't care to hear from?

Most all cell phones now have Caller ID. Dont answer if you dont know
who it is, or dont want to talk to someone.

"Brian Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Notan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>MrPepper11 wrote:
>>>
>>> March 21, 2005
>>> Who's Got Your Number?
>>> This was supposed to be the year for a national wireless directory. It
>>> isn't looking so good.
>>> By JESSE DRUCKER
>>> Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>
>>I've never met a person who *wanted* their cell phone number listed.
>>
>>Notan
>
> You must not have many cellphone only friends. I have several with no landline
> at all, so if you can't find their cellphone number, you just can't find them.

People who want you to have their cellphone number will give it to you.
Or you can always ask for it via snail mail or personal visit.
It's certainly no reason to violate someone's privacy by listing their
number against their wishes.

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"Brian Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Todd Copeland <[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Brian Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> You must not have many cellphone only friends. I have several with no
>>landline
>>> at all, so if you can't find their cellphone number, you just can't find
>>them.
>>
>>Of course, if you knew them well enough to call them friends you could
>>simply ask for their phone number.
>>
>>
>
> I plan to -- as soon as our paths cross again. They are ~50 miles away and we
> don't see each other that often.

You've heard of email and snail mail?

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"Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 02:06:52 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Brian
>> Gordon) wrote:
>>
>> >You must not have many cellphone only friends. I have several with no
>> >landline
>> >at all, so if you can't find their cellphone number, you just can't find
>> >them.
>>
>> Cellphone subscribers *inform* those who they want to have their
>> number. Furthermore why should I pay for people to call me that I
>> don't care to hear from?
>
> Most all cell phones now have Caller ID. Dont answer if you dont know
> who it is, or dont want to talk to someone.

So if a friend or family member in trouble calls from a pay phone or from
a borrowed phone, they're just in deep sh*t, right? Too bad for them.

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Brian Gordon wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>, Notan <[email protected]> wrote:
> >MrPepper11 wrote:
> >>
> >> March 21, 2005
> >> Who's Got Your Number?
> >> This was supposed to be the year for a national wireless directory. It
> >> isn't looking so good.
> >> By JESSE DRUCKER
> >> Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >
> >I've never met a person who *wanted* their cell phone number listed.
> >
> >Notan
>
> You must not have many cellphone only friends. I have several with no landline
> at all, so if you can't find their cellphone number, you just can't find them.

If you think publishing cell phone numbers is such a great idea,
why not post yours in this newsgroup?

Notan

Scott en Aztlán wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 08:56:01 -0500, Jer <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>What? They didn't leave their new number on a referral recording?
>
>
> Funny story:
>
> We recently sold our house in Tucson, and cancelled our land line with
> Qwest. When asked whether we wanted a referral number to be given when
> people dial the old number, we said no. I guess they took us
> literally: now, when people dial our old phone number, they get NO
> INTERCEPT AT ALL (not even the SIT tones and a recording sayin ght
> number has been disconnected) - no ringing sound, no intercept, no
> NOTHING. The call is simply disconnected.
>
> The incompetent ****s at Qwest strike again.
>


Must be a new feature.

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John Richards wrote:
> "Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 02:06:52 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Brian
>>> Gordon) wrote:
>>>
>>> >You must not have many cellphone only friends. I have several with
>>> no >landline
>>> >at all, so if you can't find their cellphone number, you just can't
>>> find >them.
>>>
>>> Cellphone subscribers *inform* those who they want to have their
>>> number. Furthermore why should I pay for people to call me that I
>>> don't care to hear from?
>>
>>
>> Most all cell phones now have Caller ID. Dont answer if you dont know
>> who it is, or dont want to talk to someone.
>
>
> So if a friend or family member in trouble calls from a pay phone or from
> a borrowed phone, they're just in deep sh*t, right? Too bad for them.
>

There's always vmail.

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JohnF wrote:
> "Bill Kraski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news2J3e.4497$pU5.3482@trnddc06...
>
>>scott14661 wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You're not goin to get telemarketing calls if you register for the "Do
>>>Not Call List". I reistered my house phone and my cell phone, even
>>>though I've never had a telemarketer call my cell phone. But the
>>>telemarketing phone calls at home have stopped.
>>>
>>>C'mon people that's why the "Do Not Call List" was designed. Use it
>>>for what it's intended for.
>>
>>Have you ever fully read what's involved? There is a time limit on being
>>listed in the DNCR -- I believe it's five years. You need to reregister
>>for it to continue. How many people will realize that at the end of the
>>registered period? If the more rabid marketers keep a database of their
>>area, with registration dates, there's a list of previously unknown phone
>>numbers that's ready to call in 5 years, including cell phone numbers. I
>>know the law prohibits marketing to cell phone numbers, but number
>>portability makes it hard for a marketer to know what type of phone a
>>number is connected to. So, cell phones listed may end up getting a bunch
>>of marketing calls, with the phone owner needing to tell each caller to
>>take them off the calling list or that it's a cell number. And I won't
>>even go into the potential for sms spam.
>>
>>Bill K
>>
>
>
> So why does a phone number have to be listed in order for it to get a
> telemarketing call? It's not as though it can't be dialed anyway and it's
> not that much of a stretch for a telemarketing to figure out what set of
> numbers are valid and just start calling them. It's not as if there's some
> secret sequence where they can only obtain the number from some list. The
> only way to relly stop it is to register with the Do Not Call list.

According to a telemarketing friend, not many telemarketers use any sort
of directory-related database for their seed numbers. The dialing
system is programmed with the NPANNX of each day's victims and, after
being filtered by the DNC list, starts hammering away - unlisted numbers
offer no protection under this regime.

>
> I'm not surprised there's a time limit on the Do Not Call list. I wouldn't
> expect that to last forever since the same person doesn't always have that
> for forever. When the time comes I'll reregister. I have no doubt it'll come
> up in the news and on every phone related newsgroup when that time comes
> near.
>
> The Do Not Call list works so I think the telemarketing paranoia of the cell
> directory is a moot point. I don't want my cell number in a directory just
> out of principal. If I want someone to call my number I'll give it to them.
>
> I'm not sure why this has to be so complicated? Why don't they just make
> this directory a voluntary registration and the people who want their number
> listed can register their number. Those who don't want their number listed
> won't register. Why does it have to be an all or nothing ordeal?

Because the cost of directory production and maintenance won't morph
into an acceptable profit margin if only volunteers are included. They
need to screw everybody to make money.


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Harry wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 09:48:19 -0700, Joseph <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 12:41:37 -0600, scott14661
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>C'mon people that's why the "Do Not Call List" was designed. Use it
>>>for what it's intended for.
>>
>>And you're naïve enough to believe that all companies are going to
>>respect that list?
>>
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>>
>
> I signed up on the "Do Not Call List" the first day. After it became
> effective I received exactly 2 sales calls that I shouldn't have and
> they were both in the first month and from local companies.
>
> Non profits can still call as can companies you have done business
> with in some set previous time. However you can ask them not to call
> and they are obligated not to call you.
>
> So the "Do Not Call List" does work, and from my experience it works
> very well.
>

I agree... federal statutes provide financial penalities for DNC
violations.

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In message <[email protected]> "John
Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Brian Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Todd Copeland <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>"Brian Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> You must not have many cellphone only friends. I have several with no
>>>landline
>>>> at all, so if you can't find their cellphone number, you just can't find
>>>them.
>>>
>>>Of course, if you knew them well enough to call them friends you could
>>>simply ask for their phone number.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I plan to -- as soon as our paths cross again. They are ~50 miles away and we
>> don't see each other that often.
>
>You've heard of email and snail mail?

Sure -- Where will you get their address? The phonebook?


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On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 21:38:33 -0600, DevilsPGD <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In message <[email protected]> "John
>Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"Brian Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> Todd Copeland <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>"Brian Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>> You must not have many cellphone only friends. I have several with no
>>>>landline
>>>>> at all, so if you can't find their cellphone number, you just can't find
>>>>them.
>>>>
>>>>Of course, if you knew them well enough to call them friends you could
>>>>simply ask for their phone number.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I plan to -- as soon as our paths cross again. They are ~50 miles away and we
>>> don't see each other that often.
>>
>>You've heard of email and snail mail?
>
>Sure -- Where will you get their address? The phonebook?

If they haven't given you their phone number or their address, what
will it take for you to take the hint? A restraining order?

JohnF wrote:

> So why does a phone number have to be listed in order for it to get a
> telemarketing call? It's not as though it can't be dialed anyway and it's
> not that much of a stretch for a telemarketing to figure out what set of
> numbers are valid and just start calling them. It's not as if there's some
> secret sequence where they can only obtain the number from some list. The
> only way to relly stop it is to register with the Do Not Call list.

You're right about numbers being dialable, no matter what. But, before
number portability, certain blocks of numbers were exclusively cell phone
numbers, others were not. So, a marketer could avoid the cell phone blocks
& be pretty safe in getting mostly residential phones. Once portability
became law, the only way for a marketer to be certain that a number was a
cell phone was for the phones owner to tell them.

> I'm not surprised there's a time limit on the Do Not Call list. I wouldn't
> expect that to last forever since the same person doesn't always have that
> for forever. When the time comes I'll reregister. I have no doubt it'll
> come up in the news and on every phone related newsgroup when that time
> comes near.

True for those who were the initial registrants. But it's 5 years from the
time you register, not 5 years from implementation. If somene fills out a
card or in some other way establishes a "business relationship", companies
have three months to make them a customer, rather than a potential
customer, unless a form is filled out allowing calls beyond that initial
three months.

Bill K

On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 21:10:39 -0700, Joseph <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:48:34 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>> Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 02:06:52 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Brian
>>> Gordon) wrote:
>>>
>>> >You must not have many cellphone only friends. I have several with no
>>> >landline
>>> >at all, so if you can't find their cellphone number, you just can't find
>>> >them.
>>>
>>> Cellphone subscribers *inform* those who they want to have their
>>> number. Furthermore why should I pay for people to call me that I
>>> don't care to hear from?
>>
>>Most all cell phones now have Caller ID. Dont answer if you dont know
>>who it is, or dont want to talk to someone.
>
>And what am I supposed to do with callers who don't show CLID or are
>out of area or international callers? And just FYI not everyone has
>CLID either. All cellphone plans do not include CLID and it's an
>extra cost item.
>
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Just offhand, can you name a specific carrier who charges extra for,
or does not provide Caller ID?

In message <[email protected]> Bob Ward
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 21:38:33 -0600, DevilsPGD <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <[email protected]> "John
>>Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>"Brian Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>> Todd Copeland <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>"Brian Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> You must not have many cellphone only friends. I have several with no
>>>>>landline
>>>>>> at all, so if you can't find their cellphone number, you just can't find
>>>>>them.
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course, if you knew them well enough to call them friends you could
>>>>>simply ask for their phone number.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I plan to -- as soon as our paths cross again. They are ~50 miles away and we
>>>> don't see each other that often.
>>>
>>>You've heard of email and snail mail?
>>
>>Sure -- Where will you get their address? The phonebook?
>
>If they haven't given you their phone number or their address, what
>will it take for you to take the hint? A restraining order?
>

I don't exchange addresses with anyone unless they're coming over, nor
do I phone everybody I've ever had hung out with after work with my new
phone number, but that doesn't mean I don't want to be accessible to
them.

That being said, I'd either opt out of the directory listing, or list an
alternate number which I can control (and usually leave pointing
directly at voicemail)


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