Wha..? no cell phones on planes?

Taking a moment's reflection, [email protected] mused:
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| Yes. Why cant we be more like Europeans!
| Calm...quiet...docile...peaceful. You know...like their soccer
| matches!

Soccer isn't played in Europe.

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Taking a moment's reflection, JohnF mused:
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| Not sure what flights you're on but I hear the same thing now without
| cell phones. I'm not sure how it would be much worse.

Not sure what flights you're on. ;-) All the flights I take for
business usually are pretty quiet affairs (other than engine noise of
course). I would say less than 5% of the passengers talk ... much less
in extended conversations. But, as soon as we dock at the gate, and the
bell chimes, out come everyone's cell phones. If they they were allowed
to use the phones during flight, they probably would. I image it would
be much like being one of the 50 people jammed in a telephone booth at
University ... except with everyone else being on the phone at the same
time.

Lifting the ban would probably be good for iPod sales, though. ;-)

I can add, as a pilot and cell phone user, that cell networks have been
known to cancel your service when your signal is detected on mulitple towers
at once since that is exactly what occurs when your phone has been "cloned".


"Drewdawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Jim-G wrote:
> > Whoa.....it is a very simple electronic problem and not social
> > engineering. You have a "cell" phone designed to work within a
> > "cell". That is a small area of coverage from one tower. When you
> > get on an airplane to activate your phone....you then talk not to one
> > cell but dozens or even hundreds from altitude. That caused a big
> > problem of how to handle it with the network.
> >
> > You want good 'cell' service then turn the things off in an airplane,
> > simple.
>
> Thank you for offering what may seem an obvious observation, but has gone
> missing in this thread. I'd like to add that cell phones were designed
with
> car use (up to 80mph) in mind but not jet travel (hundreds of mph). Just
> imagine the difficulty of handing off at that speed!
>
> ;-)
>
>

US = cheap minutes, expensive data (including SMS)
Europe = cheaper data, expensive [outgoing] minutes

Richie wrote:

> Simply and politely ask him to quiet. If he does no comply, call the flight
> attendant. When in close proximity of others, one should tap (SMS) not
> talk. People do that very well in Europe and Asia. Why are Americans so
> loud?
>
> "Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:57:12 -0500, Jer <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> From CNN...
> >>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/cnqx7
> >
> >
> > Thank you Cingular! The last thing I need is to sit next to some
> > inconsiderate person talking on the phone as I try to sleep my way
> > arcoss the company.

Not on Sprint. Sprint also has cheap text and internet access.

"Tropical Haven" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> US = cheap minutes, expensive data (including SMS)
> Europe = cheaper data, expensive [outgoing] minutes
>
> Richie wrote:
>
>> Simply and politely ask him to quiet. If he does no comply, call the
>> flight
>> attendant. When in close proximity of others, one should tap (SMS) not
>> talk. People do that very well in Europe and Asia. Why are Americans
>> so
>> loud?
>>
>> "Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:57:12 -0500, Jer <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> From CNN...
>> >>
>> >>http://tinyurl.com/cnqx7
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you Cingular! The last thing I need is to sit next to some
>> > inconsiderate person talking on the phone as I try to sleep my way
>> > arcoss the company.
>

mhicaoidh wrote:
> Taking a moment's reflection, JohnF mused:
> |
> | Not sure what flights you're on but I hear the same thing now without
> | cell phones. I'm not sure how it would be much worse.
>
> Not sure what flights you're on. ;-) All the flights I take for
> business usually are pretty quiet affairs (other than engine noise of
> course). I would say less than 5% of the passengers talk ... much less
> in extended conversations. But, as soon as we dock at the gate, and the
> bell chimes, out come everyone's cell phones. If they they were allowed
> to use the phones during flight, they probably would. I image it would
> be much like being one of the 50 people jammed in a telephone booth at
> University ... except with everyone else being on the phone at the same
> time.
>
> Lifting the ban would probably be good for iPod sales, though. ;-)
>


I imagine it wouldn't take long for passengers on the same flight to use
their cell phones to talk to each other when they couldn't get adjacent
seats. Considering the typical noise levels of the passenger cabin,
this type of comm link would provide a whole new level of challenges for
the participants and their unfortunate seat neighbours.


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DG wrote:
> I can add, as a pilot and cell phone user, that cell networks have been
> known to cancel your service when your signal is detected on mulitple towers
> at once since that is exactly what occurs when your phone has been "cloned".
>


An interesting aspect I hadn't considered. Although to a large degree,
clone fraud has largely been an AMPS issue, it's not totally impossible
with digital technologies. Multiple system registration would be a
nuther kettle of fish for the terrestrial provider, but for the cabin
provider, this doesn't seem likely. An airborn in-cabin cellular system
would be likely be a dual-face microcell linked via satellite (can you
say 'latency'?) or a direct ground link via multi-channel radio as the
plane hops from one ground station to another. The former would see the
"air cell" as a static point in the network (like any other terrestrial
cell), and the latter as a 'hopping' cell within the network - each
still offering single cell operation for the handset users.


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