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- 06-23-2005, 06:35 PM #1JerGuest
Multitasking is a *****.
From CNN...
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/ptech/0...ction=cnn_tech
or
http://tinyurl.com/b796j
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jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'
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- 06-23-2005, 07:09 PM #2Dave C.Guest
Re: Study: Cell phones take up driver attention
"Jer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Multitasking is a *****.
>
>
> From CNN...
>
>
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/ptech/0...ction=cnn_tech
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/b796j
>
> --
> jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'
"
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Using a cell phone -- even with a hands-free
device -- may distract drivers because the brain cannot handle both tasks,
U.S. researchers said Tuesday.
Imaging tests show the brain directs its resources to either visual input or
auditory input, but cannot fully activate both at the same time, the team at
Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore found "
No ****. That's what I've been saying for a long time: I don't like laws
that restrict cell phone use while driving. But if you are going to make a
law, at least make it a law that will have an impact on safety. That means
ban cell phones while driving. Period. Outlawing hand held cellular
handsets while driving totally misses the point. It is the conversation
that is the distraction, NOT the handset. The team at Johns Hopkins just
confirmed it. Hello, NEW YORK legislators!!! Are you listening? I guess
not, if you are reading this, as you can't listen and read at the same time.
-Dave
- 06-23-2005, 07:16 PM #3Mr.~G.Guest
Re: Study: Cell phones take up driver attention
I don't need an FN study to tell me that. Last year this girl (21) ran into
the back of my classic mustang at 55MPH (no brakes at all) while I was
stopped making a left turn with my signals on. Clear day, straight, open
road, no other distractions.
IDIOT!
My car did not survive. My passenger and I did with BI.
She is an IDIOT!
If you are one - that is, someone who drives while chatting about nonsense
or anything else on the phone - DON'T!
MG
"Jer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Multitasking is a *****.
>
>
> From CNN...
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/ptech/0...ction=cnn_tech
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/b796j
>
> --
> jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'
- 06-23-2005, 07:45 PM #4EdoardoGuest
Re: Study: Cell phones take up driver attention
"Dave C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> No ****. That's what I've been saying for a long time: I don't like laws
> that restrict cell phone use while driving. But if you are going to make
> a
> law, at least make it a law that will have an impact on safety. That
> means
> ban cell phones while driving. Period. Outlawing hand held cellular
> handsets while driving totally misses the point. It is the conversation
> that is the distraction, NOT the handset. The team at Johns Hopkins just
> confirmed it. Hello, NEW YORK legislators!!! Are you listening? I guess
> not, if you are reading this, as you can't listen and read at the same
> time.
> -Dave
I guess we should ban passengers (unless they remain absolutely silent),
radios, stereos, and the opening of windows or sunroofs (external noise).
Perhaps everyone should also wear noise-cancellating earphones.
Edo
- 06-23-2005, 08:41 PM #5topsyGuest
Re: Study: Cell phones take up driver attention
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:57:06 -0700, "(PeteCresswell)" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Per Edoardo:
>>I guess we should ban passengers (unless they remain absolutely silent),
>>radios, stereos, and the opening of windows or sunroofs (external noise).
>>Perhaps everyone should also wear noise-cancellating earphones.
>
>With passengers, the other person is partially participating in the task of
>driving - i.e. the driver can just stop talking and they'll understand.
>
>OTOH on the phone, the other end has no expectation of lapses in conversation -
>unlike a CB coversation or a conversation with a passenger.
>
>I've never seen a CB user wandering back and forth across the line, doing 68 in
>a 75 mph lane, and/or speeding up and slowing down for no apparent reason.
>They may be doing it.... but it's not noticible on any kind of regular basis.
>
>Every so often, I see driver/passenger conversations doing one or all of the
>above - especially when the driver is making active hand gestures and/or tuning
>around to talk to somebody in the rear seat.
>
>However I see cellphone users doing these things on a daily basis. Not just
>once a day, either...
>
>The wandering back and forth across the line seems tb the most common. Varying
>speed for no apparent reason is comes second.
>
>It's really, *really*, REALLY obvious....
>
>OTOH, I'd be the first to say that some people can pull it off.... but way too
>many can't...
>
>Lately, the truly scary ones are doing email while they drive.
To all of the whiners of America.
Less than one percent of all traffic accidents, including fatalities, have
cellphone activity as the cause.
Now I want all of you that hate people that drive using handsfree devices
to write your represntatives and tell them you want prohibition brought
back.
The two most popular health hazards that are legal in this country, smoking
and drinking, cause more than 100% of vehicle accidents/fatalites then all
cellphones combined in the world.
Don't you just love the driver that's looking to flick his ash of his
cigarette into the ashtray that he/she can't find while driving? After
he/she drops the cigarette into his or her lap do you really think they are
not going to hit you?
Get your priorities straight and stop whining about things that are not
factual. If you don't want car accidents, ban cars.
Smarten up!
- 06-23-2005, 10:27 PM #6Scott en AztlánGuest
Re: Study: Cell phones take up driver attention
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:41:56 -0400, topsy <[email protected]>
wrote:
>To all of the whiners of America.
>
>Less than one percent of all traffic accidents, including fatalities, have
>cellphone activity as the cause.
Yeah - virtually all of them are "speed related."
- 06-23-2005, 10:57 PM #7(PeteCresswell)Guest
Re: Study: Cell phones take up driver attention
Per Edoardo:
>I guess we should ban passengers (unless they remain absolutely silent),
>radios, stereos, and the opening of windows or sunroofs (external noise).
>Perhaps everyone should also wear noise-cancellating earphones.
With passengers, the other person is partially participating in the task of
driving - i.e. the driver can just stop talking and they'll understand.
OTOH on the phone, the other end has no expectation of lapses in conversation -
unlike a CB coversation or a conversation with a passenger.
I've never seen a CB user wandering back and forth across the line, doing 68 in
a 75 mph lane, and/or speeding up and slowing down for no apparent reason.
They may be doing it.... but it's not noticible on any kind of regular basis.
Every so often, I see driver/passenger conversations doing one or all of the
above - especially when the driver is making active hand gestures and/or tuning
around to talk to somebody in the rear seat.
However I see cellphone users doing these things on a daily basis. Not just
once a day, either...
The wandering back and forth across the line seems tb the most common. Varying
speed for no apparent reason is comes second.
It's really, *really*, REALLY obvious....
OTOH, I'd be the first to say that some people can pull it off.... but way too
many can't...
Lately, the truly scary ones are doing email while they drive.
--
PeteCresswell
- 06-24-2005, 04:53 AM #8rjdriverGuest
Re: Study: Cell phones take up driver attention
"(PeteCresswell)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Per Edoardo:
>>I guess we should ban passengers (unless they remain absolutely silent),
>>radios, stereos, and the opening of windows or sunroofs (external noise).
>>Perhaps everyone should also wear noise-cancellating earphones.
>
> With passengers, the other person is partially participating in the task
> of
> driving - i.e. the driver can just stop talking and they'll understand.
>
> OTOH on the phone, the other end has no expectation of lapses in
> conversation -
> unlike a CB coversation or a conversation with a passenger.
>
> I've never seen a CB user wandering back and forth across the line, doing
> 68 in
> a 75 mph lane, and/or speeding up and slowing down for no apparent
> reason.
> They may be doing it.... but it's not noticible on any kind of regular
> basis.
>
> Every so often, I see driver/passenger conversations doing one or all of
> the
> above - especially when the driver is making active hand gestures and/or
> tuning
> around to talk to somebody in the rear seat.
>
> However I see cellphone users doing these things on a daily basis. Not
> just
> once a day, either...
>
> The wandering back and forth across the line seems tb the most common.
> Varying
> speed for no apparent reason is comes second.
>
> It's really, *really*, REALLY obvious....
>
> OTOH, I'd be the first to say that some people can pull it off.... but way
> too
> many can't...
>
> Lately, the truly scary ones are doing email while they drive.
>
>
> --
> PeteCresswell
Right on, Pete. I spend over two hours on the road each day and it's
easy to notice the tell tale cell phone users habits of wandering and not
paying attention. There is definitely a different dynamic to a phone
conversation, than one you are having with a back seat passenger. While
hands free devices and voice dialing help to reduce part of the problem, the
conversation itself is the real danger. It's the psychological distraction,
not the physical that is the main cause of lack of attention to the road.
And as you say, some seem to handle it with no problem, but most don't, and
for some others, well, they almost seem to be in a trance.
As for the stats not showing this as a major accident cause, they will
eventually, as the practice grows. Unfortunately, what doesn't show in the
stats is one driver having to react quickly to a cell phone users lane
drifting and hitting another car, while the phone user goes merrily on his
way oblivious to the tragedy.
Bob
- 06-24-2005, 07:51 AM #9Richard J. WybleGuest
Re: Study: Cell phones take up driver attention
subdude wrote (6/24/2005 9:36 AM):
> On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:53:28 -0400, "rjdriver" <[email protected]>
> graced us with:
>
> I guess everyone missed this week's "Mythbusters" on Discovery Channel
> which tested the myth that driving with a cell phone active was as
> disruptive as driving under the influence (for testing purposes they
> drove just under the legal blood alcohol limit in CA where it was
> filmed).
>
> They proved the the 'myth' was actually fact.
>
> subdude
I saw a PBS program awhile back on the subject. Don't
remember the title. It was narrated by Alan Alda and
featured studies on the subject of cellphones and driving,
seemingly based on studies undertaken or at least funded by
Ford Motor Corp. Those research studies pretty conclusively
demonstrated the validity of the theory that cellphone usage
has significant impacts on driver reaction time.
All other thing being equal, in general, the age of the
driver is a significant factor.
The most serious delay in response time is when placing an
outgoing call. An "older," i.e., maybe in the over-40 crowd
(I don't recall the exact age breakdown), is distracted for
a longer period of time, maybe 20 or so seconds, and their
reaction time is slowed by something on the order of 15% (I
may have these numbers askew, but the basic thrust of the
study remains valid in spite of my numbers). This older
driver brings the phone up to eye height, dials slowly, and
continues to give the road a significant amount of attention.
The younger driver, the under-25 crowd, is distracted for a
shorter period of time, maybe 10 or 15 seconds, and their
reaction time is slowed on the order of 40-60%. This
younger driver looks away from the road, dials quickly, and
in so doing diverts nearly their full attention away from
the road.
--
RJW
- 06-24-2005, 08:58 AM #10Mij AdyawGuest
Re: Study: Cell phones take up driver attention
Having a conversation on a hands-free cell phone is NO DIFFERENT than having
a conversation with a passenger that is in the car. What will they
government try to do next.?.... Ban talking to passengers in the car?
- 06-24-2005, 09:11 AM #11Jud HardcastleGuest
Re: Study: Cell phones take up driver attention
In article <3eUue.3$fM6.1@trndny04>, [email protected] says...
> driver brings the phone up to eye height, dials slowly, and
> continues to give the road a significant amount of attention.
>
Sounds like a good reason to require carriers to include free voice
dialing and free directory service with call completion.
--
Jud
Dallas TX USA
- 06-24-2005, 09:14 AM #12SpectreGuest
Re: Study: Cell phones take up driver attention
The problem is NOT cellphone use its drivers that CANT NOT F*CKING DRIVE!
"Mr.~G." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I don't need an FN study to tell me that. Last year this girl (21) ran
>into the back of my classic mustang at 55MPH (no brakes at all) while I was
>stopped making a left turn with my signals on. Clear day, straight, open
>road, no other distractions.
>
> IDIOT!
>
> My car did not survive. My passenger and I did with BI.
>
> She is an IDIOT!
>
> If you are one - that is, someone who drives while chatting about nonsense
> or anything else on the phone - DON'T!
>
> MG
>
> "Jer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Multitasking is a *****.
>>
>>
>> From CNN...
>>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/ptech/0...ction=cnn_tech
>> or
>> http://tinyurl.com/b796j
>>
>> --
>> jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'
>
>
- 06-24-2005, 09:32 AM #13GeekBoyGuest
Re: Study: Cell phones take up driver attention
"Mij Adyaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:bcVue.3215$8o.1311@fed1read03...
> Having a conversation on a hands-free cell phone is NO DIFFERENT than
> having a conversation with a passenger that is in the car. What will they
> government try to do next.?.... Ban talking to passengers in the car?
>
No, just ban vehicles altogether since they can used used for criminal
activity
>
- 06-24-2005, 10:40 AM #14(PeteCresswell)Guest
Re: Study: Cell phones take up driver attention
Per topsy:
>Less than one percent of all traffic accidents, including fatalities, have
>cellphone activity as the cause.
I'd suspect the statistical collection methodology (or, more to the point, lack
of same) on that one. Do officers routinely ask accident participants if they
were talking on the cell phone when it happened? Is there a "Cellphone In Use"
checkgox on accident report forms? Would anybody in their right mind answer
"Yes" to such a question? Is the data collected and tabulated?
I'd guess "No Way Jose'" on all counts.
Besides, my impression is that most people aren't complaining about the
accidents.
Instead they're complaining about the near accidents and the heightened anxiety
stress on people around the cellphone driver caused by behaviors such as like
weaving from lane-to-lane and varying speed for no apparent reason.
>Now I want all of you that hate people that drive using handsfree devices
>to write your represntatives and tell them you want prohibition brought
>back.
IMHO legal prohibition is futile. wasteful of resources, and generally a lousy
idea.
The only thing that would work is some sort of technical prohibition - like
dropping calls where either phone is perceived by the system to be moving more
than a certain speed and/or moves more than a certain distance.
Obviously that's never going to happen.
I'd favor two things:
1) Developing a national consensus on what proper driving behavior is.
Germany has this, and the difference is astonishing. I'm not saying I'd prefer
to drive in Germany - just that everybody's on the same page and it makes things
possible there that are (thankfully) impossible here - like triple tractor
trailers moving at 45 mph sharing the road with Porches tooling along at 155 mph
- and other things like being able to pull back into the right lane after
passing with never a thought that some nitwit might be trying to pass you there.
Right now reasonable people in the USA can't even agree on the right way to come
down a on-ramp and merge with traffic and I'd guess that at least 2/3 of them
don't even know their car has a turn signal.
2) Enforce some more traffic laws besides running red lights and speeding.
There's just *got* tb a law against weaving back-and-forth across the line in
most states and for years New Jersey cops used to write tickets for cruising in
the hammer lane.
--
PeteCresswell
- 06-24-2005, 10:40 AM #15(PeteCresswell)Guest
Re: Study: Cell phones take up driver attention
Per Scott en Aztlán:
>Yeah - virtually all of them are "speed related."
It's not speed that kills.
It's difference in speed.
Witness the car going 35 and the oak tree going 0.
--
PeteCresswell
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