Best phone or carrier suggestion for a person who works in a Lead Lined Room

CharlesH wrote:

>> People aren't suppose to be using cell phones or other radio
>> transmitting devices in hospitals anyway. It can interfere with the
>> medical equipment. Tell him his one-way pager is best.
>
>
> Then one hears about the hospital that had the pager transmitter on the
> roof so the doctors' pagers would work in all parts of the hospital......

The local hospital system in Lake County, Ohio, allows *everyone* to use
one-way pagers (not just doctors).

They don't allow cell phones to be turned on, and two-way pagers must be
set to receive only.

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"Notan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> One of the problems is that some equipment is older than newer
> cell phone technology.
>
> If you find this fact troublesome, stay away from hospitals! <g>
>
> Notan

I try to follow that advice, even though I *don't* find the fact troublesome.

"John R. Copeland" wrote:
>
> "Notan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >
> > One of the problems is that some equipment is older than newer
> > cell phone technology.
> >
> > If you find this fact troublesome, stay away from hospitals! <g>
> >
> > Notan
>
> I try to follow that advice, even though I *don't* find the fact troublesome.

I do, too... And I *work* in the medical field! <g>

Notan

"Harry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
| On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 00:49:30 -0400, "NotMe" <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| >"Harry"
| >|
| >| If they get anything while inside a lead lined room they need to call
| >| the lead liner guy back to fix his shoddy job.
| >
| >Actually a lead lined room can be impervious to x-rays but not to other
EMF.
| >
| >Hint the design and physics involved in a lead lined room are different
than
| >those of a screen room.
| >
|
| I would think it the other way around. A screen room can be
| impervious to radio but may not stop X-rays. Screen will block the
| long wavelength radio waves. The shorter X-rays will pass right
| through it. Solid lead will block X-ray, UV, visible light, IR and
| radio. Gamma might make it... not sure on that one.

The point is the design. What's required for blocking X-rays does not
require an emf hard site.

"Isaac Wingfield" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
| In article <[email protected]>,
| "Jeff P" <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| > "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote in
| > message news:[email protected]...
| > > No joke, and no, he isn't superman. Seems he and his team, work at
area
| > > hospitals, and while Nextel worked best for him, still not good enough
in
| > > a lead lined room.
| >
| > People aren't suppose to be using cell phones or other radio
transmitting
| > devices in hospitals anyway. It can interfere with the medical
equipment.
| > Tell him his one-way pager is best.
|
| If medical equipment is so poorly designed and fragile that the
| *accidental* use of a cell phone by some innocent person could cause it
| to malfunction, then the manufacturers should be sued for incompetence.

Which is the very reason hospitals have the no cell phone rule. The question
I raise is why are two way radios allowed?

> Which is the very reason hospitals have the no cell phone rule. The
question
> I raise is why are two way radios allowed?

Read up on what frequencies are used for different services. Where radios
live versus cell phones is considerably different. Higher frequency devices
are more likely to cause interference. How much is hotly debated but given
the risks versus the mindless conversations most folks have on their cell
phones... well..

Another point to consider would be a cell phone dock like the Dock-N-Talk.
Plug the cell phone into the dock and run wire to a phone actually inside
the room. Granted, that'd mean running wire and putting in another handset
but at least it would work.

"wkearney99"

| > Which is the very reason hospitals have the no cell phone rule.

| The question I raise is why are two way radios allowed?
|
| Read up on what frequencies are used for different services. Where radios
| live versus cell phones is considerably different. Higher frequency
devices
| are more likely to cause interference. How much is hotly debated but
given
| the risks versus the mindless conversations most folks have on their cell
| phones... well..

Read up on them? I've been designing RF equipment and the instrumentation
used in the medical field for 40 years. The point is most such policies are
based on perception and not good engineering practice. Not unlike the
notices posted "Microwave oven in use" Made sense in the 60s when
pacemakers were first used (most them were bigger than a PDA, external and
wired through the chest wall)

In <[email protected]> "NotMe" <[email protected]> writes:

>used in the medical field for 40 years. The point is most such policies are
>based on perception and not good engineering practice. Not unlike the
>notices posted "Microwave oven in use" Made sense in the 60s when
>pacemakers were first used (most them were bigger than a PDA, external and
>wired through the chest wall)

The concern regarding pacemakers extends until today. Suprisingly, it's
not (directly) related to the microwaves or other RF, but... to the
magnetic fields the ovens generate.

Many pacemakers in the past few decades were designed to go into a "test
mode" when exposed to a magnetic field. This was, of course, only supposed
to be done in the cardiologist's electrophysiology lab...

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danny burstein wrote:
>
> In <[email protected]> "NotMe" <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >used in the medical field for 40 years. The point is most such policies are
> >based on perception and not good engineering practice. Not unlike the
> >notices posted "Microwave oven in use" Made sense in the 60s when
> >pacemakers were first used (most them were bigger than a PDA, external and
> >wired through the chest wall)
>
> The concern regarding pacemakers extends until today. Suprisingly, it's
> not (directly) related to the microwaves or other RF, but... to the
> magnetic fields the ovens generate.
>
> Many pacemakers in the past few decades were designed to go into a "test
> mode" when exposed to a magnetic field. This was, of course, only supposed
> to be done in the cardiologist's electrophysiology lab...

When a magnet is placed over them, a large number are still designed to
eliminate sensing and put the pacemaker into an asynchronous pacing mode.

Notan

"danny burstein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
| In <[email protected]> "NotMe" <[email protected]> writes:
|
| >used in the medical field for 40 years. The point is most such policies
are
| >based on perception and not good engineering practice. Not unlike the
| >notices posted "Microwave oven in use" Made sense in the 60s when
| >pacemakers were first used (most them were bigger than a PDA, external
and
| >wired through the chest wall)
|
| The concern regarding pacemakers extends until today. Suprisingly, it's
| not (directly) related to the microwaves or other RF, but... to the
| magnetic fields the ovens generate.
|
| Many pacemakers in the past few decades were designed to go into a "test
| mode" when exposed to a magnetic field. This was, of course, only supposed
| to be done in the cardiologist's electrophysiology lab...

Are you referring to the magnetic field produced by the magnetron or to a
magnetic field produced by the electric power consumed?

>
> Read up on them? I've been designing RF equipment and the instrumentation
> used in the medical field for 40 years. The point is most such policies
> are
> based on perception and not good engineering practice. Not unlike the
> notices posted "Microwave oven in use" Made sense in the 60s when
> pacemakers were first used (most them were bigger than a PDA, external and
> wired through the chest wall)


As I posted on another thread, cell phone by physicians is common in many
(probably most) hospitals. Usually, hospital employees are not allowed to
use cell phones because they are supposed to be working, not yakking it up
with their friends. Recently, my hospital yanked cell-phone priveleges from
the X-ray techs because patients complained that they feel neglected when
the techs take personal calls while zapping films. This is no different
than not allowing office or factory workers to use their cellphones while on
the job.

Bottom line is: cell phones are perfectly safe in hospitals, and are
permitted to physicians - even in operating rooms and ICU's. The general
"ban" on cell phones is to maintain a professional environment, decrease
noise levels, and discourage personal phone calls by hospital employees.
Patient safety is not at risk.


Bill T

"Notan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> When a magnet is placed over them, a large number are still designed to
> eliminate sensing and put the pacemaker into an asynchronous pacing mode.
>


The problem is that without knowing the make of the pacemaker, it is not
certain what the magnet will actually do.

Bill T

High <[email protected]> wrote in news[email protected]:

> So why are the battery terminals in my car made of lead?
>
>

Shhh...don't confuse them with facts. You're spoiling the entertainment
value pointing out the obvious to them...(c;

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Larry W4CSC wrote:
> High <[email protected]> wrote in
> news[email protected]:
>
>> So why are the battery terminals in my car made of lead?
>>
>>
>
> Shhh...don't confuse them with facts. You're spoiling
> the entertainment value pointing out the obvious to
> them...(c;

Aren't they made of carbon and capped with lead?

-Quick

[email protected] (Larry W4CSC) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> High <[email protected]> wrote in news[email protected]:
>
>> So why are the battery terminals in my car made of lead?
>>
>>
>
> Shhh...don't confuse them with facts. You're spoiling the
> entertainment value pointing out the obvious to them...(c;

Lead ->is a relatively poor conductor. Taking copper's conductivity as
1.0, the conductivity of lead is only .08.

A car battery treminal is made of lead because it's just an extension of
the end plate of a lead-acid battery.

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