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  1. #1
    Plan9
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    I charge my phone (V600) in a cradle near my PC speakers and I'm used
    to hearing brief static/chatter in my PC speakers every now and then
    as my phone and the nearby tower discuss whatever phones and towers
    discuss, but nothing long and sustained. Just now the chatter/static
    started then stopped for a second then started again and kept this
    pattern up for a minute or two. Much, much longer than anytime
    before. Rather than "are you there" chatter could this have been some
    sort of major update? I've had this phone and service for a year and
    ever heard this level of communication before.



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  2. #2
    bamp
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    Re: Update pushed to phone?


    "Plan9" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >I charge my phone (V600) in a cradle near my PC speakers and I'm used
    > to hearing brief static/chatter in my PC speakers every now and then
    > as my phone and the nearby tower discuss whatever phones and towers
    > discuss, but nothing long and sustained. Just now the chatter/static
    > started then stopped for a second then started again and kept this
    > pattern up for a minute or two. Much, much longer than anytime
    > before. Rather than "are you there" chatter could this have been some
    > sort of major update? I've had this phone and service for a year and
    > ever heard this level of communication before.



    Probably was an update. I call about once a month and get the sim updates
    pushed to my phone and they "chatter" for a while, although less than a
    minute.

    A Cingular rep told me they send the updates automatically, but I know I'm
    up to date if I call and get them.


    bamp





  3. #3
    Steven de Mena
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    Re: Update pushed to phone?


    "Plan9" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >I charge my phone (V600) in a cradle near my PC speakers and I'm used
    > to hearing brief static/chatter in my PC speakers every now and then
    > as my phone and the nearby tower discuss whatever phones and towers
    > discuss, but nothing long and sustained. Just now the chatter/static
    > started then stopped for a second then started again and kept this
    > pattern up for a minute or two. Much, much longer than anytime
    > before. Rather than "are you there" chatter could this have been some
    > sort of major update? I've had this phone and service for a year and
    > ever heard this level of communication before.


    I think it was Big Brother enabling the "listen in" feature remotely on your
    phone.

    Steve





  4. #4
    Plan9
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    Re: Update pushed to phone?

    Where I live it was 7/8/2005 6:38 PM, when Joseph wrote:

    > Do you have SIM update notification turned on or off? If on you
    > should have gotten something on your phone as a message that your SIM
    > card was updated.


    I hunted through the Motorola V600 manual and could not find a setting
    for "SIM update notification". Is this feature available on a V600?



  5. #5
    Plan9
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    Re: Update pushed to phone?

    Where I live it was 7/8/2005 2:31 PM, when bamp wrote:

    > Probably was an update. I call about once a month and get the sim updates
    > pushed to my phone and they "chatter" for a while, although less than a
    > minute.


    You're probably correct about the length of time. It could have been
    less than a minute. My sense of time length is screwy unless I count
    - "thousand and one, thousand and two, thousand and three, ......"



  6. #6
    bamp
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    Re: Update pushed to phone?


    "subdude" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:31:18 -0500, "bamp" <bampatcenturyteldotnet>
    > graced us with:
    >
    >>
    >>"Plan9" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected]...
    >>>I charge my phone (V600) in a cradle near my PC speakers and I'm used
    >>> to hearing brief static/chatter in my PC speakers every now and then
    >>> as my phone and the nearby tower discuss whatever phones and towers
    >>> discuss, but nothing long and sustained. Just now the chatter/static
    >>> started then stopped for a second then started again and kept this
    >>> pattern up for a minute or two. Much, much longer than anytime
    >>> before. Rather than "are you there" chatter could this have been some
    >>> sort of major update? I've had this phone and service for a year and
    >>> ever heard this level of communication before.

    >>
    >>
    >>Probably was an update. I call about once a month and get the sim updates
    >>pushed to my phone and they "chatter" for a while, although less than a
    >>minute.
    >>
    >>A Cingular rep told me they send the updates automatically, but I know I'm
    >>up to date if I call and get them.
    >>
    >>
    >>bamp
    >>

    > Bamp -
    >
    > How do you 'call' for an update? Is this limited to specific phones
    > or will it work for all Cingular branded phones?
    >
    > subdude


    Phone Cingular CS and ask, they will send it to you. You should call on a
    land line, they prefer your phone is turned off when they send it. When you
    receive it you will get a message to turn your phone off & back on.

    Yes it will work on all Cingular GSM phones.

    bamp





  7. #7
    Jer
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    Re: Update pushed to phone?

    subdude wrote:
    > On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 10:41:03 -0500, "bamp" <bampatcenturyteldotnet>
    > graced us with:
    >
    >
    >
    >>>>Probably was an update. I call about once a month and get the sim updates
    >>>>pushed to my phone and they "chatter" for a while, although less than a
    >>>>minute.
    >>>>
    >>>>A Cingular rep told me they send the updates automatically, but I know I'm
    >>>>up to date if I call and get them.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>bamp
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>Bamp -
    >>>
    >>>How do you 'call' for an update? Is this limited to specific phones
    >>>or will it work for all Cingular branded phones?
    >>>
    >>>subdude

    >>
    >>Phone Cingular CS and ask, they will send it to you. You should call on a
    >>land line, they prefer your phone is turned off when they send it. When you
    >>receive it you will get a message to turn your phone off & back on.
    >>
    >>Yes it will work on all Cingular GSM phones.
    >>
    >>bamp
    >>

    >
    > Thanks, Bro (or Sis <G>).
    >
    > sudude



    I might also mention that I've been told your handset needs to be on
    it's home network - not roaming out in the breezes somewhere.

    --
    jer
    email reply - I am not a 'ten'



  8. #8
    troyboy30
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    its called GSM. get used to it! It's just checking in with the tower is all.


    the only reason you would need a push to change your prefered network is if you have bad reception on one network and good on another. Say your phone preferes the 310-410 (orange) network but you get better signal on the 310-380 (blue) network, they can send you a push to change your phones preference to the blue, but they prefer not to. You may have to call a few times before you get a cs rep who will do it.


    A Cingular rep told me they send the updates automatically, but I know I'm
    whoever told you this was smoking crack. There are no OTA updates except for pushes to change network preferences. There are not even any phones on the market yet that allow for any type of OTA software updates. if that's what you ment.
    Last edited by troyboy30; 07-11-2005 at 01:26 AM.



  9. #9
    John Navas
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    Re: Update pushed to phone?

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:19:21
    -0500, troyboy30 <[email protected]> wrote:

    >the only reason you would need a push to change your prefered network
    >is if you have bad reception on one network and good on another.


    Updates can also change the roaming list.

    >Say
    >your phone preferes the 310-410 (orange) network but you get better
    >signal on the 310-380 (blue) network, they can send you a push to
    >change your phones preference to the blue, but they prefer not to. You
    >may have to call a few times before you get a cs rep who will do it.


    That only works with ENS-capable phones and 64K SIMs.

    >> A Cingular rep told me they send the updates automatically, but I know
    >> I'm

    >
    >whoever told you this was smoking crack. There are no OTA updates
    >except for pushes to change network preferences. There are not even
    >any phones on the market yet that allow for any type of OTA software
    >updates. if that's what you ment.


    Not true. I've gotten unsolicited Cingular OTA updates on my Sony Ericsson
    Z600.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  10. #10
    troyboy30
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    the easiest solution is to enabled manual network selection on your phone so you can change to a stronger signal whenever you want. You can use motokit to enable the advanced menus on the v600.


    1) Load Balancing is not a Cingular Specific Technology it is used by all GSM providers to ensure that their sites are not overloaded. It was explained for example that in Europe load balancing is employed to load all voice calls to regular GSM towers while data is being balanced to UMTS towers to ensure that UMTS towers are not over-loaded by regular voice traffic(which can be handeled by tradition GSM sites) and can handle all the data traffic until such a time that all towers are UMTS capable. Any phone be it Cingular branded/Former AT&T Wireless Branded with a 32k sim or 64k sim can be load balanced within its own network. For example, a Former AT&T Wireless phone has been and still will be load balanced within the 310-380 network to ensure that 310-380 towers are not overloaded, especially in areas like NYC and other densely populated areas where there are many sites in small area where service will not diminished if the phone is placed on a different sites. They also pointed out that in areas where there are fewer towers and greater space between towers phones will rarely be load balanced because of the possible degradation of service.

    2) ENS, a Cingular Specific Name(the engineer were not extremely clear about this) for load balancing between two networks has been and will in the future be used by other GSM providers. They may not use the name ENS but the idea to load balance between 2 difference networks is NOT a Cingular specific technology. There are three things required for a phone to be able to be load balanced between multiple networks. 1, a phone which is ENS enabled, many phones are ENS capable (as other GSM providers have used this technology) but not all phones are ENS enabled. One of the engineers explained that all newer phones that are Cingular branded are ENS enabled but many phones that are not Cingular branded are capable of employing ENS if they were enabled to do so. He said that currently there is no way to OTA phones to enable ENS as it requires new software from the manufacturer. He went on to say that certain Motorola phones can be programmed with software available to the general public which could enable ENS if they knew where to look and how to enable it. He said that Cingular would not support nor assist with changing of the software in Motorola phones and really wants customers to purchase phones from Cingular which come with ENS enabled, as most customers would not be able to make the needed changes even if Cingular tried to assist them. 2, an application programmed into the SIM chip which tells the phone that other MNCs can also be the “home” MNC. It does not have to be a 64K sim chip but, Cingular decided to use the 64K sim as it has a larger memory capacity so with the software users would still be able to program the 250 numbers and receive more room for SMS messages. 3, a profile loaded into the user’s account which sets the preferred network to 310-410/150/170/380/260. This profile only applies when the phone is asked to search for a new network or after it is turned on and it is searching for a network for the first time.

    According to the engineers load balancing between the two networks will occur from time to time but more often than not your phone will find and register with its preferred network as defined in the user profile.

    The engineers went onto say that ENS would be more useful to users in the NYC area where there is no native 310-410 coverage. As many here know the phone would perform a search and find other networks and without ENS would register with them and then search every so often for its home network thus, draining battery and shortening battery life. ENS would allow the phone to believe for example 310-380 is its home network and stop searching thus preserving battery life.

    With all this talk about OTA to get better receeption....It really does not work to get better reception!!! for "orange" users....

    Two major things the OTA does:

    1) Changes alpha tags on the SIM to display only "Cingular" when you are on either Cingular/T-Mobile/AT&T Wireless towers. It used to say "Cingular Extended" when you use AT&T towers

    2) Moves T-Mobile up to the #5 spot on the list and AT&T up to #6 on the priority list. (Does not make you use AT&T over T-mobile if there is a weak, but usable T-mobile signal around!)

    Now this OTA has not improve any "reception" for anybody with a 32K SIM and a non-ens phone, it just makes you think that you are on "Cingular" all the time, when you may be "Roaming" onto the "Blue" network. But your phone will still prefer the "Orange" network for now, even if you have a weak, but usable orange signal..... If the "Blue" network is stronger in your area, and you flop from one network to the other all the time. You need to force your phone to pick the "Blue" network 1st over the weaker signal, thus editing the seem on a vXXX phone (I do not know about steps on other phones) to acheive this, maby manual selection on some SE's.

    The only major thing for the public with the OTA is to change the "Alpha Tags" on the SIM. Cingular feels that many people are confused about this "Cingular" and "Cingular Extended" display, questions like does that mean I am roaming and paying roaming fees, who am I roaming on? ohh no!!! Why am I roaming??? What happen to "Cingular" etc....It's a short term fix to calm the public, after AT&T opened their towers (aka LACs).

    The ultimate goal for cingular over the next months is to convert all AT&T tower ID's to "Cingular ID's" and then they will have one big network.....

    This is only true with a non-ens phone and either a 32K or 64K SIM. An ens-enable phone with a 64K sim has the ability to pick a stronger signal and lock onto it and also keep it locked onto it....


    So when it says "Cingular" big deal you still are roaming if you can onto AT&T's "Blue" network when your "orange" signal really sucks!!! It still flip flops from tower to tower....


    here is a very good thread discussing this if you feel like reading all 40 something pages! lol I'll admit, it's a pretty confusing subject.

    http://howardforums.com/showthread.p...1&page=1&pp=15
    Last edited by troyboy30; 07-11-2005 at 04:31 AM.



  11. #11

    Re: Update pushed to phone?

    On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:56:24 GMT, John Navas
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
    >
    >In <[email protected]> on Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:19:21
    >-0500, troyboy30 <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>the only reason you would need a push to change your prefered network
    >>is if you have bad reception on one network and good on another.

    >
    >Updates can also change the roaming list.


    Wait a minute. Is this like a Verzon style PRL?

    I thought the network controlled everything with GSM or is this
    specifically an ENS thing?

    If I understand ENS, it is a workaround until the networks are fully
    integrated.

    My RAZRs are imports so they don't have ENS but seem to function
    pretty well.

    I was especially surprised to find myself on a t-mobile tower here in
    Stroudsburg, PA one day. It happens all the time in NY but I didn't
    know there were agreements outside NY/NJ. Sure as heck didn't work
    the other way a few months ago.



  12. #12
    bamp
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    Re: Update pushed to phone?


    "troyboy30" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >
    > if you are with cingular and have a semi new phone then your phone
    > should have ens. Neither ens or the 64k sim has anything to do with
    > your 'home' or prefered network. Besides the sim holding the network
    > list info. Ens does nothing more than help with load balancing. It
    > does not make your phone grab the strongest signal. It will still hold
    > on to the home network signal no matter how weak it is. Ens allows it
    > to change to another tower depending on the load on the tower you are
    > presently registered to.
    >
    > You're confusing the term update with push, which are not refered to as
    > OTA. An update implies a software update, which is not possible, not
    > even on the z600. You sure you don't mean unsolicited messages of some
    > sort? Every push or OTA I have ever requested was totally invisible on
    > my end.
    >
    > the easiest solution is to enabled manual network selection on your
    > phone so you can change to a stronger signal whenever you want. You
    > can use motokit to enable the advanced menus on the v600.
    >
    >
    > --
    > troyboy30
    > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    > Cell Phone Forums: http://cellphoneforums.net
    > View this thread: http://cellphoneforums.net/t180988.html
    >


    I've had an update sent to my phone every month for the last 6 months. The
    CSR that I get always has sent it to me by asking for it.

    Go to the Cingular Support Forums, get on live chat and ask if they send SIM
    updates to your phone. The address is: http://forums.cingular.com/cng

    ...
    bamp





  13. #13
    troyboy30
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    I have a brand new 64k sim. There are no updates! they are brand new! lol

    I did have them make 'blue' my pref network intead of orange becouse of better reception at my house. By updates, what do you mean. They can send a update to your sim to change your pref network, but thats not called an update its an opl push. To me at least, update means software related. Like updates for your pc and phone software updates cant be done ota.

    also, live chat is closed!



  14. #14
    John Navas
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    Re: Update pushed to phone?

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:42:12
    -0400, [email protected] wrote:

    >On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:56:24 GMT, John Navas
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
    >>
    >>In <[email protected]> on Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:19:21
    >>-0500, troyboy30 <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>the only reason you would need a push to change your prefered network
    >>>is if you have bad reception on one network and good on another.

    >>
    >>Updates can also change the roaming list.

    >
    >Wait a minute. Is this like a Verzon style PRL?


    It's similar.

    >I thought the network controlled everything with GSM or is this
    >specifically an ENS thing?


    Roaming is also network controlled.

    >If I understand ENS, it is a workaround until the networks are fully
    >integrated.


    Correct.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  15. #15

    Re: Update pushed to phone?

    On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:35:51 GMT, John Navas
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
    >
    >In <[email protected]> on Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:42:12
    >-0400, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >>On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:56:24 GMT, John Navas
    >><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
    >>>
    >>>In <[email protected]> on Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:19:21
    >>>-0500, troyboy30 <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>the only reason you would need a push to change your prefered network
    >>>>is if you have bad reception on one network and good on another.
    >>>
    >>>Updates can also change the roaming list.

    >>
    >>Wait a minute. Is this like a Verzon style PRL?

    >
    >It's similar.
    >
    >>I thought the network controlled everything with GSM or is this
    >>specifically an ENS thing?

    >
    >Roaming is also network controlled.
    >
    >>If I understand ENS, it is a workaround until the networks are fully
    >>integrated.

    >
    >Correct.


    Thanks.

    One question I forgot to ask is if it's worth going through the hassle
    of a FLEX to get ENS. I have changed a few bits with a SEEM edit but
    haven't tried the FLEX thing.



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