Signal coverage--truth in advertising

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In <[email protected]> on Tue, 09 Aug 2005 23:29:57
GMT, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:12:37 GMT, John Navas
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>"Those*licenses*could*be*pulled*away*and*the*systems darkened by FCC
>>>enforcement actions, just like any other public radio service sold to
>>>consumers." 220-222 MHz was pulled away and the systems darkened by FCC
>>>enforcement actios.
>>
>>1. Not a valid analogy.
>>
>>2. Not a chance in hell of that happening in cellular in any event.
>
>As soon as they get everyone off 800 analog it WILL happen. The FCC
>can't wait to auction those off.

Not a chance in hell of that happening, because the same spectrum is being
used for digital cellular, GSM 850 in the case of Cingular.

Perhaps you were thinking of analog TV?

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On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 13:19:06 -0500, clifto <[email protected]> chose to add
this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

>John Navas wrote:
>> Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Those licenses could be pulled away and the
>>>systems darkened by FCC enforcement actions, just like any other public
>>>radio service sold to consumers.
>>
>> Nonsense. Can you cite specific examples?
>
>220-222 MHz.

Not a smiling matter, is it, John?

Not only did the FCC take away half of a ham band, they did it under the
pressure of lobbying from a single business, one which at the time wasn't
even a publicly traded corporation.

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:32:12
GMT, David S <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 13:19:06 -0500, clifto <[email protected]> chose to add
>this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
>
>>John Navas wrote:
>>> Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>Those licenses could be pulled away and the
>>>>systems darkened by FCC enforcement actions, just like any other public
>>>>radio service sold to consumers.
>>>
>>> Nonsense. Can you cite specific examples?
>>
>>220-222 MHz.
>
>Not a smiling matter, is it, John?
>
>Not only did the FCC take away half of a ham band, they did it under the
>pressure of lobbying from a single business, one which at the time wasn't
>even a publicly traded corporation.

Unfortunate to hams, but not relevant in this context.
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On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:32:12 GMT, David S
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 13:19:06 -0500, clifto <[email protected]> chose to add
>this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
>
>>John Navas wrote:
>>> Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>Those licenses could be pulled away and the
>>>>systems darkened by FCC enforcement actions, just like any other public
>>>>radio service sold to consumers.
>>>
>>> Nonsense. Can you cite specific examples?
>>
>>220-222 MHz.
>
>Not a smiling matter, is it, John?
>
>Not only did the FCC take away half of a ham band, they did it under the
>pressure of lobbying from a single business, one which at the time wasn't
>even a publicly traded corporation.

Yeah. UPS. And they changed their minds, never ever used that band
for anything at all.

[email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:32:12 GMT, David S <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 13:19:06 -0500, clifto <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>John Navas wrote:
>>>> Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>Those licenses could be pulled away and the
>>>>>systems darkened by FCC enforcement actions, just like any other public
>>>>>radio service sold to consumers.
>>>>
>>>> Nonsense. Can you cite specific examples?
>>>
>>>220-222 MHz.
>>
>>Not a smiling matter, is it, John?
>>
>>Not only did the FCC take away half of a ham band, they did it under the
>>pressure of lobbying from a single business, one which at the time wasn't
>>even a publicly traded corporation.

Actually, if you note how fast the FCC changed its stance on no-code
after 220-222 went away, you can impute a reason for its removal.

> Yeah. UPS. And they changed their minds, never ever used that band
> for anything at all.

Oh, sure they did. They conducted experiments on the band; it was
reported in 220 Notes. Whenever the system transmitted, the computerized
anti-lock brakes on the trucks locked solid and the engine died. And
then yet another miracle happened; UPS got that other spectrum they had
been trying so hard to get FCC to grant for a long time.

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In <[email protected]> on Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:47:08 -0500,
clifto <[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:

>>>Not only did the FCC take away half of a ham band, they did it under the
>>>pressure of lobbying from a single business, one which at the time wasn't
>>>even a publicly traded corporation.
>
>Actually, if you note how fast the FCC changed its stance on no-code
>after 220-222 went away, you can impute a reason for its removal.

Black helicopter alert!

How silly.

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John Navas wrote:
> clifto <[email protected]> wrote:
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>>Not only did the FCC take away half of a ham band, they did it under the
>>>>pressure of lobbying from a single business, one which at the time wasn't
>>>>even a publicly traded corporation.
>>
>>Actually, if you note how fast the FCC changed its stance on no-code
>>after 220-222 went away, you can impute a reason for its removal.
>
> Black helicopter alert!
>
> How silly.

Well, let's see. UPS specified a type of modulation that has never been
successfully used at the given frequencies, for use over ranges hundreds
of times those normally expected possible on the band; in short, they
simply could not have used those frequencies for their stated purposes.
Then ARRL issued a statement condemning no-code. Then FCC gave UPS the
band they couldn't use. Then ARRL issued a statement endorsing no-code.
And all this in the space of a few short weeks. Gee, what a coincidence.

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:37:38 -0500,
clifto <[email protected]> wrote:

>John Navas wrote:
>> clifto <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>>>Not only did the FCC take away half of a ham band, they did it under the
>>>>>pressure of lobbying from a single business, one which at the time wasn't
>>>>>even a publicly traded corporation.
>>>
>>>Actually, if you note how fast the FCC changed its stance on no-code
>>>after 220-222 went away, you can impute a reason for its removal.
>>
>> Black helicopter alert!
>>
>> How silly.
>
>Well, let's see. UPS specified a type of modulation that has never been
>successfully used at the given frequencies, for use over ranges hundreds
>of times those normally expected possible on the band; in short, they
>simply could not have used those frequencies for their stated purposes.
>Then ARRL issued a statement condemning no-code. Then FCC gave UPS the
>band they couldn't use. Then ARRL issued a statement endorsing no-code.
>And all this in the space of a few short weeks. Gee, what a coincidence.

Hmmm ... is that rotor noise I hear in the background ... ???

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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> In <[email protected]> on Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:37:38 -0500,
> clifto <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >John Navas wrote:
> >> clifto <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>[email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>Not only did the FCC take away half of a ham band, they did it under
the
> >>>>>pressure of lobbying from a single business, one which at the time
wasn't
> >>>>>even a publicly traded corporation.
> >>>
> >>>Actually, if you note how fast the FCC changed its stance on no-code
> >>>after 220-222 went away, you can impute a reason for its removal.
> >>
> >> Black helicopter alert!
> >>
> >> How silly.
> >
> >Well, let's see. UPS specified a type of modulation that has never been
> >successfully used at the given frequencies, for use over ranges hundreds
> >of times those normally expected possible on the band; in short, they
> >simply could not have used those frequencies for their stated purposes.
> >Then ARRL issued a statement condemning no-code. Then FCC gave UPS the
> >band they couldn't use. Then ARRL issued a statement endorsing no-code.
> >And all this in the space of a few short weeks. Gee, what a coincidence.
>
> Hmmm ... is that rotor noise I hear in the background ... ???
>

John- wouldn't your last two posts constitute a personal attack, which is
listed as inappropriate in the FAQ you bombard us with regularly? If so,
please either refrain from the attacks or stop spamming the group with a
valueless FAQ.

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:28:25 -0600,
"Scott" <[email protected]> wrote:

>John- wouldn't your last two posts constitute a personal attack, which is
>listed as inappropriate in the FAQ you bombard us with regularly? If so,
>please either refrain from the attacks or stop spamming the group with a
>valueless FAQ.

That should have been sent by email. That would make you ... what?

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Truth-in-advertising? ... That is an oxymoron if I ever heard one!!

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> In <[email protected]> on Mon, 15 Aug 2005
> 22:28:25 -0600,
> "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>John- wouldn't your last two posts constitute a personal attack, which is
>>listed as inappropriate in the FAQ you bombard us with regularly? If so,
>>please either refrain from the attacks or stop spamming the group with a
>>valueless FAQ.
>
> That should have been sent by email. That would make you ... what?
>
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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> In <[email protected]> on Mon, 15 Aug 2005
22:28:25 -0600,
> "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >John- wouldn't your last two posts constitute a personal attack, which is
> >listed as inappropriate in the FAQ you bombard us with regularly? If so,
> >please either refrain from the attacks or stop spamming the group with a
> >valueless FAQ.
>
> That should have been sent by email.

Why? You committed the act in a public forum- you were called on it in the
same public forum.

> That would make you ... what?
>

A poster who does not appreciate your hypocrisy.