UMTS and HSDPA in November

I heard from a usually reliable source that Cingular will launch UMTS
with HSDPA in the 18 markets on November 1. Anyone else heard this?

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J Robertson <[email protected]> writes:

>I heard from a usually reliable source that Cingular will launch UMTS
>with HSDPA in the 18 markets on November 1. Anyone else heard this?

http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp...566&print=true

I'm waiting to pick up my Verizon EVDO card. I'd like to know if
Cingular is going to make HSDPA widely available soon.

--kyler

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In <rqp7f.15202$Io4.2260@trnddc06> on Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:20:39 GMT, J
Robertson <[email protected]> wrote:

>I heard from a usually reliable source that Cingular will launch UMTS
>with HSDPA in the 18 markets on November 1. Anyone else heard this?

I have heard that rumor, but I think it may prove to be optimistic, since
AFAIK there isn't yet any HSDPA deployment anywhere.

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Kyler Laird wrote:
> J Robertson <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> I heard from a usually reliable source that Cingular will launch UMTS
>> with HSDPA in the 18 markets on November 1. Anyone else heard this?
>
> http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp...566&print=true
>
> I'm waiting to pick up my Verizon EVDO card. I'd like to know if
> Cingular is going to make HSDPA widely available soon.
>
> --kyler
We all would like to know that. How available and how much bandwidth
they will have behind it are things we don't know yet. Cingular is
motivated as the EVDO runs circles around the EDGE service and it is in
many major markets.

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In <0tz7f.2380$I65.589@trnddc01> on Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:46:04 GMT, J Robertson
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Kyler Laird wrote:
>> J Robertson <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>> I heard from a usually reliable source that Cingular will launch UMTS
>>> with HSDPA in the 18 markets on November 1. Anyone else heard this?
>>
>> http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp...566&print=true
>>
>> I'm waiting to pick up my Verizon EVDO card. I'd like to know if
>> Cingular is going to make HSDPA widely available soon.
>>
>We all would like to know that. How available and how much bandwidth
>they will have behind it are things we don't know yet. Cingular is
>motivated as the EVDO runs circles around the EDGE service and it is in
>many major markets.

In fact EGPRS(EDGE) performs well as compared to EV-DO and is more widely
available.

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J Robertson wrote:

> Kyler Laird wrote:
>
>> J Robertson <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>> I heard from a usually reliable source that Cingular will launch
>>> UMTS with HSDPA in the 18 markets on November 1. Anyone else heard
>>> this?
>>
>>
>> http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp...566&print=true
>>
>> I'm waiting to pick up my Verizon EVDO card. I'd like to know if
>> Cingular is going to make HSDPA widely available soon.
>>
>> --kyler
>
> We all would like to know that. How available and how much bandwidth
> they will have behind it are things we don't know yet. Cingular is
> motivated as the EVDO runs circles around the EDGE service and it is
> in many major markets.

Cingular will aslo have another advantage: when HSDPA is not available,
EDGE will be. Verizon falls back to 1xRTT.

John Navas wrote:

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>
>In <rqp7f.15202$Io4.2260@trnddc06> on Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:20:39 GMT, J
>Robertson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>I heard from a usually reliable source that Cingular will launch UMTS
>>with HSDPA in the 18 markets on November 1. Anyone else heard this?
>>
>>
>
>I have heard that rumor, but I think it may prove to be optimistic, since
>AFAIK there isn't yet any HSDPA deployment anywhere.
>
>
>
It wouldn't surprise me, it's been cropping up on a lot of places,
including Phonescoop.

Remember, there's always a first for everything.

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In <2OJ7f.2114$mV4.2099@dukeread02> on Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:31:25 -0400,
Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:

>John Navas wrote:
>
>>In <rqp7f.15202$Io4.2260@trnddc06> on Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:20:39 GMT, J
>>Robertson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>I heard from a usually reliable source that Cingular will launch UMTS
>>>with HSDPA in the 18 markets on November 1. Anyone else heard this?
>>
>>I have heard that rumor, but I think it may prove to be optimistic, since
>>AFAIK there isn't yet any HSDPA deployment anywhere.
>>
>It wouldn't surprise me, it's been cropping up on a lot of places,
>including Phonescoop.
>
>Remember, there's always a first for everything.

The primary issue I see is coverage (number of markets), not the date -- when
something hasn't been proven in the real world, rapid deployment tends to be
difficult/problematic. If there is a rollout on Nov 1, I would expect it to
be more limited, with turn-on of other markets an ongoing process. Another
issue is the limited selection of HSDPA mobile devices.

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John Navas wrote:

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>
>In <2OJ7f.2114$mV4.2099@dukeread02> on Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:31:25 -0400,
>Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>John Navas wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>In <rqp7f.15202$Io4.2260@trnddc06> on Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:20:39 GMT, J
>>>Robertson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I heard from a usually reliable source that Cingular will launch UMTS
>>>>with HSDPA in the 18 markets on November 1. Anyone else heard this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I have heard that rumor, but I think it may prove to be optimistic, since
>>>AFAIK there isn't yet any HSDPA deployment anywhere.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>It wouldn't surprise me, it's been cropping up on a lot of places,
>>including Phonescoop.
>>
>>Remember, there's always a first for everything.
>>
>>
>
>The primary issue I see is coverage (number of markets), not the date -- when
>something hasn't been proven in the real world, rapid deployment tends to be
>difficult/problematic. If there is a rollout on Nov 1, I would expect it to
>be more limited, with turn-on of other markets an ongoing process. Another
>issue is the limited selection of HSDPA mobile devices.
>
>
>
UMTS has been up for some time now, and HSDPA shouldn't be all that much
different, although I'm sure technical problems did occur. AFAIK,
initial offerings of HSDPA capable devices will be data cards, with
mobile handsets phasing into the capability. I can't say for sure
though, we may have to wait and see.

John Navas wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <0tz7f.2380$I65.589@trnddc01> on Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:46:04 GMT, J Robertson
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Kyler Laird wrote:
>>> J Robertson <[email protected]> writes:
>>>
>>>> I heard from a usually reliable source that Cingular will launch UMTS
>>>> with HSDPA in the 18 markets on November 1. Anyone else heard this?
>>> http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp...566&print=true
>>>
>>> I'm waiting to pick up my Verizon EVDO card. I'd like to know if
>>> Cingular is going to make HSDPA widely available soon.
>>>
>> We all would like to know that. How available and how much bandwidth
>> they will have behind it are things we don't know yet. Cingular is
>> motivated as the EVDO runs circles around the EDGE service and it is in
>> many major markets.
>
> In fact EGPRS(EDGE) performs well as compared to EV-DO and is more widely
> available.
>
Nonsense. I have had both and in practice they can not even be compared.
EV-DO compares to UMTS not Edge. Verizon has better coverage than
cingular in the DC/NY corridor anyway. Edge, the way Cingular has it
implemented, seldom exceeds GPRS speeds and perhaps 30% of the time has
zero data rate even with a high signal connection.

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In <dSS7f.14463$vk1.8128@dukeread04> on Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:50:14 -0400,
Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:

>John Navas wrote:

>>The primary issue I see is coverage (number of markets), not the date -- when
>>something hasn't been proven in the real world, rapid deployment tends to be
>>difficult/problematic. If there is a rollout on Nov 1, I would expect it to
>>be more limited, with turn-on of other markets an ongoing process. Another
>>issue is the limited selection of HSDPA mobile devices.
>>
>UMTS has been up for some time now, and HSDPA shouldn't be all that much
>different, although I'm sure technical problems did occur.

See
<http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002569632_highspeed19.html>
<http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=82566&WT.svl=news2_1>
<http://www.3gnewsroom.com/3g_news/oct_05/news_6323.shtml>
HSDPA now live only in Seattle, Phoenix, and Dallas/Ft Worth. I'm guessing
the next wave will be Detroit, San Francisco, and San Diego, the rest of the
six ATTWS UMTS markets.

>AFAIK,
>initial offerings of HSDPA capable devices will be data cards, with
>mobile handsets phasing into the capability. I can't say for sure
>though, we may have to wait and see.

Nothing yet, and perhaps not until the end of the year (per the first story
above).

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In <BVS7f.26341$gF4.15169@trnddc07> on Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:53:37 GMT, J
Robertson <[email protected]> wrote:

>John Navas wrote:

>> In fact EGPRS(EDGE) performs well as compared to EV-DO and is more widely
>> available.
>>
>Nonsense. I have had both and in practice they can not even be compared.
> EV-DO compares to UMTS not Edge. Verizon has better coverage than
>cingular in the DC/NY corridor anyway. Edge, the way Cingular has it
>implemented, seldom exceeds GPRS speeds and perhaps 30% of the time has
>zero data rate even with a high signal connection.

Something must be seriously wrong with your EGPRS(EDGE) -- I'm routinely
getting about 150 Kbps, or about 3x GPRS speeds.

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Tropical Haven <[email protected]> writes:

>UMTS has been up for some time now, and HSDPA shouldn't be all that much
>different, although I'm sure technical problems did occur. AFAIK,
>initial offerings of HSDPA capable devices will be data cards, with
>mobile handsets phasing into the capability. I can't say for sure
>though, we may have to wait and see.

Wait no more.
http://www.option.com/products/3g_edge.shtml

--kyler

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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:17:02 GMT, Kyler
Laird <[email protected]> wrote:

>Tropical Haven <[email protected]> writes:
>
>>UMTS has been up for some time now, and HSDPA shouldn't be all that much
>>different, although I'm sure technical problems did occur. AFAIK,
>>initial offerings of HSDPA capable devices will be data cards, with
>>mobile handsets phasing into the capability. I can't say for sure
>>though, we may have to wait and see.
>
>Wait no more.
> http://www.option.com/products/3g_edge.shtml

HSDPA-Ready == vaporware

My advice is to wait until it actually works.

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Kyler Laird wrote:

>Tropical Haven <[email protected]> writes:
>
>
>
>>UMTS has been up for some time now, and HSDPA shouldn't be all that much
>>different, although I'm sure technical problems did occur. AFAIK,
>>initial offerings of HSDPA capable devices will be data cards, with
>>mobile handsets phasing into the capability. I can't say for sure
>>though, we may have to wait and see.
>>
>>
>
>Wait no more.
> http://www.option.com/products/3g_edge.shtml
>
>--kyler
>
>
The card looks promising, except that the UMTS is only in 2100 mHz, a
band not used by the wireless companies in the United States, which will
deploy HSDPA at 850 mHz and 1900 mHz (AFAIK, they'll use 850 mHz, too)