Moving from Sprint to Cingular

"Mij Adyaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Why would Sprint remove coverage from an existing coverage area? That does
> not make any sense to me. Are you sure that he was not roaming all of the
> time and Sprint dropped the roaming agreement?
>
>> I know one person who got out of their Sprint contract due to coverage
>> issues, but in his case it was no Sprint coverage where it once existed,
>> not roaming coverage that disappeared.

Sprint did not drop any Network coverage, they merely lost a roaming
partnership.

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You said the area in question was marked on the map as roaming, not
Sprint PCS coverage. You said, "Apparently Sprint lost its analog
roaming partnership in that area as there is NO coverage indicated on
the map now".
So, not only did Sprint PCS not cover the area when you started, but
now no one does. Coverage by Sprint PCS did not get smaller. Areas
where roaming capable Sprint PCS phones can roam are not guaranteed.
Sprint PCS is not required to maintain any roaming agreement. And
certainly can't when there is no longer any carrier there to have an
agreement with.
You have no complaint.

"Jerome Zelinske" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> You said the area in question was marked on the map as roaming, not Sprint
> PCS coverage. You said, "Apparently Sprint lost its analog roaming
> partnership in that area as there is NO coverage indicated on the map
> now".

That is correct.

> So, not only did Sprint PCS not cover the area when you started,

That is not correct. Sprint did offer service in that as via a roaming
partnership as inidicated on their printed material (in store coverage maps)

> but now no one does.

That is correct.

> Coverage by Sprint PCS did not get smaller.

Never ever said Sprint's network coverage got smaller.

> Areas where roaming capable Sprint PCS phones can roam are not guaranteed.

Are you reading anything I'm posting? I know you are in the Sprint NG.

> Sprint PCS is not required to maintain any roaming agreement. And
> certainly can't when there is no longer any carrier there to have an
> agreement with.

Quoting from Sprint's "Agreement":

* Your agreement with Sprint Spectrum to you is made up of these Terms and
Conditions of Service and the Service Plan that we agree to provide you.

* our Service Plan is described in our marketing materials. we set for that
Service Plan.
--> This would include published coverage map material.

* We may change the Agreement at any time by giving you prior notice. Any
changes to the Agreement are effective when we publish them.
--> Publish them where? Publish them on a web site?

* If you use our Services or make any payment to us on or after the
effective date of the changes, you accept the changes.
--> No notice was every received advising the Sprint merger would adversely
affect my service.

* If we change a material term of the Agreement and that change has a
material adverse effect on you, you may terminate the Agreement without an
early termination fee by calling 1-888-211-4727 within 30 days after the
invoice date of the first invoice you receive after the changes go into
effect.
--> Loosing a twenty mile wide by sixty mile across area that affects over
30 % of my usage meets the requirements of a material adverse affect on me.

> You have no complaint.

Whut-EVAH..........

DecaturTxCowboy wrote:
> --> No notice was every received advising the Sprint merger would adversely
> affect my service.
>
> * If we change a material term of the Agreement and that change has a
> material adverse effect on you, you may terminate the Agreement without an
> early termination fee by calling 1-888-211-4727 within 30 days after the
> invoice date of the first invoice you receive after the changes go into
> effect.
> --> Loosing a twenty mile wide by sixty mile across area that affects over
> 30 % of my usage meets the requirements of a material adverse affect on me.

Well then, terminate the Agreement without an early termination fee by
calling 1-888-211-4727 within 30 days after the invoice date of the
first invoice you receive after the changes go into effect.

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

Mij Adyaw wrote:
> Why would Sprint remove coverage from an existing coverage area? That does
> not make any sense to me. Are you sure that he was not roaming all of the
> time and Sprint dropped the roaming agreement?

This sort of thing happens all the time, and not just with Sprint. I.e.,
we have friends that have Verizon, and when they signed up they had good
coverage at their house. Then Verizon moved the cell site serving their
neighborhood, or re-oriented the directional antennas, and now they have
no coverage.

OTOH, a lady I worked with that has Sprint, has never had coverage at
her house, and she finally switched to Cingular, once Cingular supported
800 Mhz GSM.

At least in my area, there is a huge NIMBY factor for new cell phone
towers. This means that the best coverage is from carriers that have the
oldest, 800 Mhz networks, Cingular (now that they got AT&T's spectrum),
and Verizon. T-Mobile and Sprint (and the prepaid carriers that use
Sprint such as Metro PCS and Virgin) have the poorest coverage because
it's a combination of the technical issues with 1900 Mhz, and the fact
that they can't put up towers to correct the coverage issues.

One of my friends has been fighting a cell phone tower going up right
behind his house. This fight started with Cingular wanted a tower there,
and now T-Mobile which has taken the 1900 Mhz Cingular network, wants a
tower there. The location is behind a supermarket, which backs up to a
residential area. PETA may become involved as well, because of fears
that the radiation will harm the rats that live in back of the supermarket.

It is not correct. The Advantage Agreement did not change. Sprint PCS
did not offer service in the area in question. Roaming is not Sprint
PCS service. You are not guaranteed roaming. The plan states that you
can roam with or without fees depending on your plan, where they
currently have a roaming agreement. Currents/currently change/changes.
That is what makes it current. Until some new feature comes along
that I want to add, I will stick with the plan I have now that does not
charge extra for the ability to have "free" roaming.
The published coverage map material, shows the extent of Sprint PCS
coverage and roaming possibilities that were current at the time of
printing. The roaming possibilities are not guaranteed.
I have read everything you have posted. That does not change that
roaming possibilities are not guaranteed. We both appear to be not
cross posting. This discussion has been contained within the
alt.cellular.cingular newsgroup. You started this in the cingular
newsgroup, and I have kept it there. Yes, I am subscribed to five
cellular newsgroups. Would you prefer to move it to the
alt.cellular.sprintpcs newsgroup?

"clifto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Well then, terminate the Agreement without an early termination fee by
> calling 1-888-211-4727 within 30 days after the invoice date of the
> first invoice you receive after the changes go into effect.

I keep getting a termination dept drone that quotes me "policy" when I quote
the Terms of Service Agreement.

OK...i'll make it simple....

"Jerome Zelinske" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> It is not correct. The Advantage Agreement did not change.

Correct. The Agreement text did not change.

> Sprint PCS did not offer service in the area in question.

Not correct, they DID offer service in that area at least since fall of '03
when I started roaming out there.

> Roaming is not Sprint PCS service. You are not guaranteed roaming.

The printed material showed a very large are of coverage that no longer
exists. Sprint considers roaming as part of the service they provide, albiet
via a roaming partner.

> The plan states that you can roam with or without fees depending on your
> plan, where they currently have a roaming agreement.

I have the Free & Clear Plan, but it only work where this IS coverage.

> The published coverage map material, shows the extent of Sprint PCS
> coverage and roaming possibilities that were current at the time of
> printing.

AND that were current for almost a year after the printing.

> Would you prefer to move it to the alt.cellular.sprintpcs newsgroup?

Sure, its an active thread.

"SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> PETA may become involved as well, because of fears that the radiation will
> harm the rats that live in back of the supermarket.

LOL @ PETA.....very good point!

DecaturTxCowboy wrote:

> The printed material showed a very large are of coverage that no longer
> exists. Sprint considers roaming as part of the service they provide, albiet
> via a roaming partner.

This is really the key point. Sprint makes a very big deal of their
roaming coverage because their native coverage is so lacking in so many
areas. They show maps with all of the coverage, both native and roaming.

The carriers are not yet permitted to turn off AMPS, so it's not like
the AMPS network suddenly disappeared, it was Sprint's decision to drop
the AMPS roaming for whatever reason (most likely they didn't want to
pay for AMPS roaming).

You have a good case for a waiver of the ETF, if you escalate.