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  1. #16
    clifto
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    Re: Why IS IT...

    marx404 wrote:
    > my 2 cents - you can drop a cellphone, you cant drop a car. :-)


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  2. #17
    marx404
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    Re: Why IS IT...

    Well, I guess Dave includes GM, Chrysler, Dodge, BMW, Caddilac, Hummer,
    Mercedes, Chevrolet, Etc, etc, etc. in his crappy car dealership list. Guess
    what I do for a living? MOST big dealerships always perform a test drive as
    part of the sales presentation, it has nothing to do with whether they trust
    you or not, or if they are good or bad. Ergo this whole comparison is lost
    on me.

    Just for fun at no-ones expense, why dont we have a little fun and change
    the comparison to say - hot tubs, or toilets, or ...er... Im just being
    silly here, sorry. But IMHO the comparison to cell phones and autos of any
    kind is apples and oranges. And btw- fyi- GM and BMW offer a 24 hr test
    drive, which is after the initial test drive.

    My 2 cents where I do sorta agree w/Dave, why dont Cell providers offer a
    Xnumber day (not 2yrs) exchange policy just like some car dealers offer?
    Just like a certain unmentioned GM dealer, I think Cell dealers would
    benefit from offering a trial period where ppl can "trade up" to a better
    phone. Returned phones that are cosmetically or otherwise damaged wouldnt be
    eligible, but think of the revenue Cell companies would enjoy if when they
    hand out cheap made models users can trade up to a more expensive model in
    say 10 days, whatever. One hates to get stuck in a 2yr contract with an
    unacceptable phone.

    marx404





  3. #18
    Kevin Weaver
    Guest

    Re: Why IS IT...

    Looks like it's been a long time for you as well.

    I went with a friend to verizon and it took all of about 15 mins to get his
    new phone. Paper work that is. He spent more time looking at the phones more
    then anything.

    Unless you have bad credit, you don't have to pay any up front costs. 2 yr
    contract ? They also have 1 yr contracts also. My friend did not have to pay
    any fees. IE: 35.00 startup fee. he just paid for the phone and 12V charger
    and that's all.

    How long do you think it's going to take to learn if the service is right
    for you ? 1 day ? This is like going to buy a new car. I want to buy this
    car, but want to test it for the day, go to the next dealership do the same
    and another, and so on. Of course this is not a cell phone. I was going to
    go with another provider. But asking others what area were good and bad, I
    made my mind up to stay with what I had. And testing all the phones at point
    A today, May be different in 2 days at the same point A

    "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    > "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >> They all give you a op-out. most of the time 2 weeks. 15 days for
    >> verizon. Take it, try it. don't like it bring it back.
    >> Simple enough.
    >>

    >
    > I take it it's been a LONG time since you started up a cellular contract?
    > You seem to not remember all that's involved in the process. The
    > paperwork alone takes over an hour, and THAT assumes that someone in the
    > store (who is very FAST at doing it) is filling it out for you, and that
    > you don't bother to READ everything that you are signing (which is not a
    > good idea, but it will get you out of the store in less than two hours,
    > possibly). Plus you have to fork out a couple hundred dollars in fees up
    > front for service. Even if you take the freebie phones and the 2-year
    > contract, there are still activation charges to be paid up front. Yes,
    > you can get your money back and cancel the contract. My point is, why
    > should you have to go through all that hassle just to learn that the
    > service won't work for you?
    >
    > If you take a "loaner" or "tester" or (whatever) phone home and find it
    > doesn't work, you return the phone to the store. Very little paperwork,
    > no money involved, SIMPLE. Also, if all the providers did this, you could
    > collect two or three loaners at the same time to see which one works best.
    > Then you know who to sign a contract with BEFORE the paperwork is started.
    > Under the current system, it could take MONTHS (theoretically) to get the
    > right network. That is, sign up for Verizon, discover verizon is ****,
    > cancel, sign up for someone else, discover they're **** also, cancel .
    > . -Dave
    >
    >
    >






  4. #19
    Quick
    Guest

    Re: Why IS IT...

    marx404 wrote:
    >
    > but think of the revenue Cell companies would enjoy
    > if when they hand out cheap made models users can
    > trade up to a more expensive model in say 10 days,


    You are assuming they make money on subsidized
    equipment.

    -Quick





  5. #20
    Kevin
    Guest

    Re: Why IS IT...

    I don't know what car dealers you have had experience with, but there is no
    dealership anywhere in my area that will let you take a test drive alone.
    It's their policy. This holds from the Toyota dealership to the BMW
    dealership. I have never heard of a new car dealership that allows this
    practice. I've been 86'ed from a couple of dealerships (it's a long story
    involving test driving high performance cars, red-lining on every shift,
    doing 115 mph in a 65 mph zone, nervous salesmen and heel-and-toe driving
    techniques) so I know.

    As to why no one offers a "test drive" of a cell phone and service, the
    answer is simple. It's not worth the time and effort the cellular phone
    service store would have to dedicate to do it. The market is so dense at
    this point that they don't have to do something like this. The same goes
    for products like home entertainment systems, televisions, dvd players and
    so on. No store is going to let you take a 42 inch LCD TV home for a "test
    drive". You buy it first and then you can do whatever you want with it,
    including return it if you don't like it.

    "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    > "Evan Platt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:39:11 GMT, "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>>That you can take a brand new ~$35,000 automobile on a test drive, simply
    >>>by
    >>>showing your driver's license . . .

    >>
    >> Notice though the salesperson goes with you?
    >>
    >> Would you want to take the cellphone AND a salesperson home with you
    >> for a few days?
    >>
    >> Plus, most test drives I've had lasted 15 minutes.

    >
    > Only at ****ty car dealers do the salespeople insist on riding with you on
    > a test drive. If you can't test drive a car without a salesman, don't buy
    > the car at that particular dealer. I believe it was GM that was recently
    > offering test drives that last several DAYS.
    >
    > But all this is beside the point. The handsets (the cheapies anyway) cost
    > the cellular provider next to nothing. If they get your driver's license
    > number and a major credit card (to charge if the handset isn't returned),
    > why insist on the contract?????? -Dave
    >
    >
    >






  6. #21
    Mo Mo
    Guest

    Re: Why IS IT...

    When I test drove my Acura TL they handed me the keys and I took it out
    without them. Before I bought the TL I took out a GTO. The salesman is the
    one that talked me into taking it out for a drive. He did come with me but
    he encouraged me to run the piss out of it. I redlined it at first and got
    a wheel when I popped it into second. The wife was in the backseat and was
    pissed but I sure had a good time.


    "Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >I don't know what car dealers you have had experience with, but there is no
    >dealership anywhere in my area that will let you take a test drive alone.
    >It's their policy. This holds from the Toyota dealership to the BMW
    >dealership. I have never heard of a new car dealership that allows this
    >practice. I've been 86'ed from a couple of dealerships (it's a long story
    >involving test driving high performance cars, red-lining on every shift,
    >doing 115 mph in a 65 mph zone, nervous salesmen and heel-and-toe driving
    >techniques) so I know.
    >
    > As to why no one offers a "test drive" of a cell phone and service, the
    > answer is simple. It's not worth the time and effort the cellular phone
    > service store would have to dedicate to do it. The market is so dense at
    > this point that they don't have to do something like this. The same goes
    > for products like home entertainment systems, televisions, dvd players and
    > so on. No store is going to let you take a 42 inch LCD TV home for a
    > "test drive". You buy it first and then you can do whatever you want with
    > it, including return it if you don't like it.
    >
    > "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >>
    >> "Evan Platt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>> On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:39:11 GMT, "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>>That you can take a brand new ~$35,000 automobile on a test drive,
    >>>>simply by
    >>>>showing your driver's license . . .
    >>>
    >>> Notice though the salesperson goes with you?
    >>>
    >>> Would you want to take the cellphone AND a salesperson home with you
    >>> for a few days?
    >>>
    >>> Plus, most test drives I've had lasted 15 minutes.

    >>
    >> Only at ****ty car dealers do the salespeople insist on riding with you
    >> on a test drive. If you can't test drive a car without a salesman, don't
    >> buy the car at that particular dealer. I believe it was GM that was
    >> recently offering test drives that last several DAYS.
    >>
    >> But all this is beside the point. The handsets (the cheapies anyway)
    >> cost the cellular provider next to nothing. If they get your driver's
    >> license number and a major credit card (to charge if the handset isn't
    >> returned), why insist on the contract?????? -Dave
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    >






  7. #22
    Xyloc
    Guest

    Re: Why IS IT...

    Disgruntled Dave-

    They do offer loaners at my local VZW San Jose store in San Jose... Back a
    few years ago, I considered switching to Cingular -- and they also had a
    loaner. Your continuous yammering is probably why they didn't give you a
    loaner because they realize you are a friggin' piece o' work. I imagine you
    ran in the store with both guns firing like Lash LaRue "YOU MESSED UP MY
    BILL ONCE BEFORE, BUT I AM THINKING OF COMING BACK. GIVE ME A GOD DAMNED
    LOANER OR ELSE."

    You are a moron. It took you twice as long to whine about your cellular
    service than it would have just to drive -- No, you could've walked to the
    store, signed up and walked back home, in the time it took to post that
    original message. "I talked to myself, I talked to the ppl at Cingular, I
    talked to VZW." For crying out loud, did you 'call for your pipe, call for
    your bowl, and call for your fiddlers three' as well?

    Lighten up or STFU.
    -me


    "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > That you can take a brand new ~$35,000 automobile on a test drive, simply
    > by showing your driver's license . . .
    >
    > Yet you can't take a ~$300 FULL RETAIL PRICE (usually less) cellular
    > handset for a day or two for testing purposes without:
    > - A major credit card
    > - A copy of your driver's license
    > - Paying an activation fee
    > - Signing a 2 year contract (or 1 year in some very limited
    > circumstances) AND
    > - Often paying part or even MOST of the full retail price of the
    > handset up front
    >
    > WHY IS THAT???
    >
    > If you can test-drive a car (and risk damaging it) with no up-front cost
    > and no obligation to buy, why can't you "test-drive" a cellular handset
    > before paying for it and signing a contract. WHY?????????? Can anyone
    > come up with a reasonable explanation? (I didn't think so)
    >
    > Why don't cellular providers have "loaner" handsets for this purpose?
    > You'd only need about ten per store, and they wouldn't have to be the
    > high-end models. For testing purposes, the low-end handsets (that the
    > cellular providers get for much less than a hundred bucks a piece) would
    > do. Why can't you just walk into Cingular or Verizon or T-Mo or whatever
    > and say you want a loaner handset to test the network where you live and
    > work? WHY???
    >
    > Yes, I know that all cellular service providers have a "trial" period of
    > 10 days or 15 days or whatever, during which you can cancel your contract.
    > Only problem is, there is considerable money and paperwork involved just
    > to GET the "trial", only to learn that you have to cancel it later. THERE
    > SHOULD BE AN EASIER WAY. If cellular service providers would allow you to
    > show identification, then take a handset home for a day or two, cellular
    > service providers would have (literally) nothing to lose and lots of
    > potential customers to gain. It would be a real win-win situation. SO
    > WHY ISN'T IT DONE?
    >
    > *************************************************************
    >
    > On a side note, what brought this up was, my wife and I recently switched
    > jobs, only to discover that Cingular had NO SERVICE at either of our new
    > office locations. Cingular claimed that we should have "good" strength
    > signal at work. We told them that we had no service. First, they tried
    > to blame the handset. OK, we tried . . . 4 different Nokia handsets and 2
    > different Motorola handsets. 2 of the Nokia handsets we tried were
    > recently re-programmed with the latest list of towers (re-provisioned, or
    > whatever they call it). Not surprisingly, we had NO SIGNAL on any of
    > them. Then Cingular told us it was the buildings. Those are some really
    > odd buildings, blocking Cingular GSM signals both inside AND OUTSIDE, yet
    > allowing cellular handsets from 3 other networks to have FULL signal
    > strength both outside AND INSIDE. (!)
    > Obviously, the problem was that the Cingular network had NO COVERAGE where
    > we were working. Out of curiosity though, I walked into a local Cingular
    > store and asked to see the street level coverage map (WHY IS THIS ONLY
    > ACCESSIBLE IN THE CINGULAR STORE?!?) and sure enough . . . I could confirm
    > with my own eyes that the Cingular coverage map showed the building where
    > I work was smack dab in the middle of a "good" signal strength area. So
    > Cingular didn't lie to us . . . they just fed us information that is
    > obviously inaccurate. That is, their street level map shows "good" signal
    > strength in a couple of areas where there is in fact NO SIGNAL AT ALL.
    >
    > In other words, even the very detailled street level coverage maps are NO
    > GOOD. If you want to know if a handset will work where you live and/or
    > where you work, you have to take the handset "home" and "to work" and use
    > it from there.
    >
    > So what to do? Well, we'd previously dumped Verizon for Cingular, due to
    > constant (and outrageous) billing errors on Verizon. We LOVED our
    > Cingular Nation GSM service for the two years that we used it. NO billing
    > errors, NO reception problems (until we switched jobs), good quality
    > handsets that just WORK, nothing to complain about at all with Cingular.
    > In our experience, Cingular's customer service was pretty good, also. At
    > least, the few times we did have to call Cingular customer service, our
    > issue was resolved immediately, on the FIRST phone call. Also, it was
    > pretty significant that we found Cingular's coverage was at least as good
    > as Verizon's (and we both travel a lot).
    >
    > So we really did not want to dump Cingular, and we didn't want to switch
    > to Verizon, but what other choice did we have? After many years of
    > headaches trying to use Nextel/Sprint (employer provided handsets), I
    > wouldn't sign with Nextel. If you held a gun to my head and ordered me to
    > sign with Nextel, I'd say "SHOOT".
    >
    > But in our area, all we have is:
    > Cingular (no signal at work now, unfortunately . . . otherwise, they are
    > great)
    > Verizon (good network, so-so handsets, frequent outrageous billing errors)
    > Nextel/Sprint (don't even get me started on all the coverage problems with
    > Nextel . . . in short, the network SUCKS RAW EGGS)
    > T-Mobile (never had them, don't know anybody else who has them, either)
    >
    > So ****, it looked like I'd have to sign with T-Mobile. When I went to
    > the T-Mo web site, their street level map showed "good" signal strength at
    > both of our work locations (ha ha) and signal strength at home was smack
    > dab in the middle of "good" and "fair". Considering I already knew that
    > the street level coverage maps can be horribly inaccurate, it wasn't very
    > encouraging to note that T-Mo might be just "fair" at home. I called
    > T-Mobile to ask if I could borrow a handset for a day or so to test it.
    > You'd think I was asking for the salesman's first born child or something.
    > Is it so wrong to want to test a network BEFORE signing a contract for
    > service on that network?
    >
    > But then I discussed the matter with my wife. She reminded me that we
    > both had coworkers who used Verizon cellular handsets at our work
    > locations. So I reminded HER that I'd dumped Verizon as I was sick and
    > ****ing tired of spending hours on the phone every month trying to do
    > Verizon's work for them. So she came back and told me that all of her
    > friends and relatives are on Verizon, so most of our phone calls would be
    > "IN" and thus free. And she REALLY wanted a Verizon handset so that she
    > could call her best friend for free.
    >
    > Awwwww, **** . . . I guess I'm a Verizon customer again. Yup, I signed a
    > contract with Verizon. But take note Verizon . . . I WILL BE WATCHING MY
    > BILLS EXTREMELY CLOSELY. I dumped you once, and I will ****ing dump you
    > AGAIN if you treat me like you did the last time I was your customer.
    > "IN" be damned if I get half my calls for free and pay WAY TOO MUCH for
    > the REST of my calls.
    >
    > OK, enough venting.
    >
    > T-Mobile take note: If you'd just let me borrow a handset for a day or
    > two, you might have gained a contract for service on two cellular handsets
    > (both Nokia 6101) recently. All I wanted was something that could
    > reliably make calls from both home AND work (and most areas of the
    > continental U.S., and I understand that ALL cellular providers do have
    > "dead spots"). I had no way to know if the T-Mo network would work
    > without actually USING a T-Mo handset at home and work, and I wasn't about
    > to sign a contract to find out. I don't care that I know nobody on T-Mo.
    > If T-Mo would work for me, I WOULD have signed with T-Mo. If I'd signed
    > with T-Mo, my wife wouldn't have been able to 'twist my arm' hard enough
    > to make me go back to Verizon.
    >
    > But I don't mean to pick on T-Mo specifically. It seems like ALL cellular
    > service providers make you sign a contract if you want to just TEST a
    > handset at home or YOUR OWN work location. If the cellular service
    > providers are worried about people borrowing the phones just to make free
    > phone calls, why not pass out really cheap handsets that are programmed to
    > ONLY connect calls to 911, other users of THE SAME CELLULAR NETWORK, and
    > the cellular network's customer service numbers? That is all you'd NEED
    > to test the network, and it wouldn't cost the cellular service provider
    > anything. In fact, you really don't need to make phone calls at all to
    > test the network. Just walk around with the borrowed handset at work and
    > home and see how many bars of signal strength you get. If you see 3-5 (or
    > more) bars of signal strength and the name of your prospective service
    > provider is displayed (not roaming), then you pretty much know that the
    > handset will work OK for you at that location. If that's not good enough,
    > call the customer service number (pre-programmed in the phone, probably)
    > and ask "can you hear me now"????
    >
    > To Cellular Service providers: Why don't you allow prospective customers
    > to test a handset at home (and work) without signing a contract? WHY????
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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    >
    >






  8. #23
    Mike T.
    Guest

    Re: Why IS IT...


    "Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >I don't know what car dealers you have had experience with, but there is no
    >dealership anywhere in my area that will let you take a test drive alone.
    >It's their policy. This holds from the Toyota dealership to the BMW
    >dealership. I have never heard of a new car dealership that allows this
    >practice. I've been 86'ed from a couple of dealerships (it's a long story
    >involving test driving high performance cars, red-lining on every shift,
    >doing 115 mph in a 65 mph zone, nervous salesmen and heel-and-toe driving
    >techniques) so I know.
    >
    > As to why no one offers a "test drive" of a cell phone and service, the
    > answer is simple. It's not worth the time and effort the cellular phone
    > service store would have to dedicate to do it. The market is so dense at
    > this point that they don't have to do something like this. The same goes
    > for products like home entertainment systems, televisions, dvd players and
    > so on. No store is going to let you take a 42 inch LCD TV home for a
    > "test drive". You buy it first and then you can do whatever you want with
    > it, including return it if you don't like it.
    >
    > "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >>
    >> "Evan Platt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>> On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:39:11 GMT, "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>>That you can take a brand new ~$35,000 automobile on a test drive,
    >>>>simply by
    >>>>showing your driver's license . . .
    >>>
    >>> Notice though the salesperson goes with you?
    >>>
    >>> Would you want to take the cellphone AND a salesperson home with you
    >>> for a few days?
    >>>
    >>> Plus, most test drives I've had lasted 15 minutes.

    >>
    >> Only at ****ty car dealers do the salespeople insist on riding with you
    >> on a test drive. If you can't test drive a car without a salesman, don't
    >> buy the car at that particular dealer. I believe it was GM that was
    >> recently offering test drives that last several DAYS.
    >>
    >> But all this is beside the point. The handsets (the cheapies anyway)
    >> cost the cellular provider next to nothing. If they get your driver's
    >> license number and a major credit card (to charge if the handset isn't
    >> returned), why insist on the contract?????? -Dave
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    >






  9. #24
    Mike T.
    Guest

    Re: Why IS IT...


    "Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >I don't know what car dealers you have had experience with, but there is no
    >dealership anywhere in my area that will let you take a test drive alone.
    >It's their policy. This holds from the Toyota dealership to the BMW
    >dealership. I have never heard of a new car dealership that allows this
    >practice. I've been 86'ed from a couple of dealerships (it's a long story
    >involving test driving high performance cars, red-lining on every shift,
    >doing 115 mph in a 65 mph zone, nervous salesmen and heel-and-toe driving
    >techniques) so I know.
    >
    > As to why no one offers a "test drive" of a cell phone and service, the
    > answer is simple. It's not worth the time and effort the cellular phone
    > service store would have to dedicate to do it. The market is so dense at
    > this point that they don't have to do something like this. The same goes
    > for products like home entertainment systems, televisions, dvd players and
    > so on. No store is going to let you take a 42 inch LCD TV home for a
    > "test drive". You buy it first and then you can do whatever you want with
    > it, including return it if you don't like it.
    >


    I've purchased several new cars in my life (more if you count the ones I
    helped my wife purchase) and NOT ONE OF THEM was purchased from a car dealer
    that insisted on having the salesman ride along on the test drive. The area
    you live in apparently has nothing but ****ty car dealers.

    And let me get this straight . . . you think that it costs the cellular
    service provider LESS time and effort to do the massive amount of paperwork
    to start up a new contract only to have it cancelled later?

    As for televisions, that is an entirely different animal. The performance
    of the television isn't dependent on the cellular network that it isn't
    connected to. If you think you've got a programming problem with a
    television, you can always test it with a VCR. Try testing a cellular
    network without a cellular handset, though. -Dave





  10. #25

    Re: Why IS IT...

    Dave wrote:

    >
    > That you can take a brand new ~$35,000 automobile on a test drive, simply by
    > showing your driver's license . . .
    >


    snipped.

    In a word "Competition" or the lack therof.
    There are usually a dozen or more car dealers that want and need your business.
    How many phone outfits are there?
    Also stealing a card is a big time crime, a phone is bs.

    Its also called getting what the market will bear.

    Lou




  11. #26
    Quick
    Guest

    Re: Why IS IT...

    [email protected] wrote:
    > Dave wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> That you can take a brand new ~$35,000 automobile on a
    >> test drive, simply by showing your driver's license . . .
    >>

    >
    > snipped.
    >
    > In a word "Competition" or the lack therof.
    > There are usually a dozen or more car dealers that want
    > and need your business. How many phone outfits are there?
    > Also stealing a card is a big time crime, a phone is bs.
    >
    > Its also called getting what the market will bear.


    Not exactly. Go show your driver's license at Circuit City and
    see if they will let you take a satellite radio (or Ipod, or CD player)
    out for a "test drive". Then try to figure out why. I've signed
    up for new service twice. It took less than hour both times. At the
    VZW store I spent more than 1/2 hour to completely read the
    manuals on three different phones while looking at them and at
    the Cingular (ugh) store I spent over 1/2 hour waiting until my
    number got called.

    -Quick





  12. #27

    Re: Why IS IT...

    Quick wrote:

    > [email protected] wrote:
    > > Dave wrote:
    > >
    > >>
    > >> That you can take a brand new ~$35,000 automobile on a
    > >> test drive, simply by showing your driver's license . . .
    > >>

    > >
    > > snipped.
    > >
    > > In a word "Competition" or the lack therof.
    > > There are usually a dozen or more car dealers that want
    > > and need your business. How many phone outfits are there?
    > > Also stealing a card is a big time crime, a phone is bs.
    > >
    > > Its also called getting what the market will bear.

    >
    > Not exactly. Go show your driver's license at Circuit City and
    > see if they will let you take a satellite radio (or Ipod, or CD player)
    > out for a "test drive". Then try to figure out why. I've signed
    > up for new service twice. It took less than hour both times. At the
    > VZW store I spent more than 1/2 hour to completely read the
    > manuals on three different phones while looking at them and at
    > the Cingular (ugh) store I spent over 1/2 hour waiting until my
    > number got called.
    >
    > -Quick


    Also stealing a card (oops should be CAR) is a big time crime, a phone is
    bs as are ipods etc (by comparison).

    Lou





  13. #28
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Why IS IT...

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Sun, 04 Dec 2005
    19:22:20 GMT, "Mortimer Schnurd" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Dave, IF you are in California, be DAMN glad you didnt sign up with T-Mo!
    >You would have been roaming on Ching-Chingular's system as T-Mo has
    >ZERO sites in Southern California.


    You would actually be on the T-Mobile system, since Cingular sold it to
    T-Mobile.

    >While "GSM" sounds great when you have a good signal, their 1800-1925Mhz
    >signals
    >DO NOT get inside a lot of buildings. Verizon's 820-894Mhz CDMA system is a
    >LOT
    >more robust


    There's actually relatively little difference.

    >and will see you with up to 6 sites at the same time (soft
    >handoff).


    GSM has similar coverage.

    >On Cingular how many calls did you miss when inside a store or other
    >commercial building?


    Few.

    >If Cingular REALLY had their **** together they COULD make a "kick ass/take
    >names" system!


    Indeed, it's pretty darn good.

    >The main problem is the CHEAP-ASS BASTARDS at Ching-Chingular wont lay out
    >the front money. Instead they
    >continue to piss off the public, make poor excuses and continue to provide
    >substandard overall service.


    Reported financial results say otherwise.

    >Meanwhile, I will continue to use my Verizon SCH-730,Samsung 6000 (2 of
    >them) and my PC-5220 datacard (so I can watch my DISH network) on my laptop
    >while away from the house (YES..it IS that fast)


    I'll continue to use my Sony Ericsson GC82 EGPRS(EDGE) card on Cingular, which
    is darn fast pretty much wherever I am.

    >In Los Angeles California Verizon wins the system award hands down! there is
    >no comparasion in voice or especially data from
    >NEXTIME/SPLINT,CHINGULAR or the now defunct (thank god) (A)ll (T)urd
    >(T)elephone.


    We'll just have to agree to disagree.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  14. #29
    movak
    Guest

    Re: Why IS IT...


    Lets run some numbers here:
    The poster states that he thinks stores should have loaners for all
    companies and loan them for multiple days.
    Here are some numbers for example:

    phones from 3 companies * 10 customers per day * phones out for 3
    days=90 phones * $75/phone = $6750 in phones to start.
    On going Say 10% get lost/stolen per month=9/month=108/yr = $8100.00

    There is also a commitment involved. When people sign contracts thay
    are not as picky. It goes from "Is the phone perfect?" to "Is the phone
    good enough?"

    So to follow the posters suggestion the dealer would have to lay out
    thousands of dollars for not commitment. Probably noy going to happen


    --
    movak



  15. #30
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Why IS IT...

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:22:49 +0000, movak
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Lets run some numbers here:
    >The poster states that he thinks stores should have loaners for all
    >companies and loan them for multiple days.
    >Here are some numbers for example:
    >
    >phones from 3 companies * 10 customers per day * phones out for 3
    >days=90 phones * $75/phone = $6750 in phones to start.
    >On going Say 10% get lost/stolen per month=9/month=108/yr = $8100.00
    >
    >There is also a commitment involved. When people sign contracts thay
    >are not as picky. It goes from "Is the phone perfect?" to "Is the phone
    >good enough?"
    >
    >So to follow the posters suggestion the dealer would have to lay out
    >thousands of dollars for not commitment. Probably noy going to happen


    Indeed. There's also the problem of people running up and stiffing the dealer
    on large air time bills, so the issue is even bigger than that. There's just
    not enough margin in cellular sales.

    --
    Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



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