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  1. #1
    John Navas
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    Q: Why is charging of Motorola phones so slow on the travel charger?

    A: The standard travel charger packaged by Motorola with many current
    phones puts out insufficient power for fastest possible charging and for
    continuous use while charging.

    For example, charger SSW-0509 for the V551 puts out only 375 mA. The
    V551 detects this as a slow charger, and thus keeps the external display
    backlight off during charging. Worse, there's not enough current to
    keep up with use of the phone while charging, so while the phone is use,
    the battery will still be discharged even with the phone on the charger.
    With a fast charger the external display backlight is on during
    charging, and the phone can be used while the battery is charging.

    Motorola makes fast 1500 mA chargers that are compatible with these phones:
    * SPN4716* (where * might be "B" or "C"), also known as
    * NNTN4250 (nominally for Nextel, but also works with non-Nextel phones).
    These chargers are readily available from dealers and on eBay for under
    $15 (plus shipping).

    (For what it's worth, Motorola probably saved less than $1 in cost by
    packaging slow chargers instead of fast chargers with these phones.)



    See More: FAQ: Why is charging of Motorola phones so slow on the travel charger?




  2. #2
    bamp
    Guest

    Re: Why is charging of Motorola phones so slow on the travel charger?


    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    | Q: Why is charging of Motorola phones so slow on the travel charger?
    |
    | A: The standard travel charger packaged by Motorola with many current
    | phones puts out insufficient power for fastest possible charging and for
    | continuous use while charging.
    |
    | For example, charger SSW-0509 for the V551 puts out only 375 mA. The
    | V551 detects this as a slow charger, and thus keeps the external display
    | backlight off during charging. Worse, there's not enough current to
    | keep up with use of the phone while charging, so while the phone is use,
    | the battery will still be discharged even with the phone on the charger.
    | With a fast charger the external display backlight is on during
    | charging, and the phone can be used while the battery is charging.
    |
    | Motorola makes fast 1500 mA chargers that are compatible with these
    phones:
    | * SPN4716* (where * might be "B" or "C"), also known as
    | * NNTN4250 (nominally for Nextel, but also works with non-Nextel phones).
    | These chargers are readily available from dealers and on eBay for under
    | $15 (plus shipping).
    |
    | (For what it's worth, Motorola probably saved less than $1 in cost by
    | packaging slow chargers instead of fast chargers with these phones.)

    Do you have any part numbers for a rapid charger for a Razr?

    ...
    bamp





  3. #3
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Why is charging of Motorola phones so slow on the travel charger?

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:47:13 -0600,
    "bamp" <bampatcenturyteldotnet> wrote:

    >"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >| Q: Why is charging of Motorola phones so slow on the travel charger?
    >|
    >| A: The standard travel charger packaged by Motorola with many current
    >| phones puts out insufficient power for fastest possible charging and for
    >| continuous use while charging.
    >|
    >| For example, charger SSW-0509 for the V551 puts out only 375 mA. The
    >| V551 detects this as a slow charger, and thus keeps the external display
    >| backlight off during charging. Worse, there's not enough current to
    >| keep up with use of the phone while charging, so while the phone is use,
    >| the battery will still be discharged even with the phone on the charger.
    >| With a fast charger the external display backlight is on during
    >| charging, and the phone can be used while the battery is charging.
    >|
    >| Motorola makes fast 1500 mA chargers that are compatible with these phones:
    >| * SPN4716* (where * might be "B" or "C"), also known as
    >| * NNTN4250 (nominally for Nextel, but also works with non-Nextel phones).
    >| These chargers are readily available from dealers and on eBay for under
    >| $15 (plus shipping).
    >|
    >| (For what it's worth, Motorola probably saved less than $1 in cost by
    >| packaging slow chargers instead of fast chargers with these phones.)
    >
    >Do you have any part numbers for a rapid charger for a Razr?


    I'm pretty sure the same chargers work for the V3 RAZR.

    --
    Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  4. #4
    Dale White
    Guest

    Re: Why is charging of Motorola phones so slow on the travel charger?


    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >>Do you have any part numbers for a rapid charger for a Razr?

    >
    > I'm pretty sure the same chargers work for the V3 RAZR.
    >


    Hmm, Well, here I was thinking my Car charger (Branded by Cingular) had
    something wrong with it, because it left the display light on while charging
    (not to mention the phone gets warm when charging), yet my Wall Charger and
    PC data cable leaves the display off. My wall charger says it's output is
    550 mHa, which is guess is still to low to dual charging and talking. Though
    I pretty much never do either.

    Not sure what the proper term for the connectors are. but the Razr uses the
    same connector type has most digital cameras and some MP3 players, while the
    other V series phones use the same connector type as say the Motorola
    Bluetooth headset. But I did find a rapid wall charger for the Razr out on
    the web





  5. #5
    BruceR
    Guest

    Re: Why is charging of Motorola phones so slow on the travel charger?

    SPN5202A is 850ma and charges the razr pretty quickly and even while
    talking. Don't worry about the "A" at the end it can be any letter.

    Fromale White
    [email protected]

    > "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >>>
    >>> Do you have any part numbers for a rapid charger for a Razr?

    >>
    >> I'm pretty sure the same chargers work for the V3 RAZR.
    >>

    >
    > Hmm, Well, here I was thinking my Car charger (Branded by Cingular)
    > had something wrong with it, because it left the display light on
    > while charging (not to mention the phone gets warm when charging),
    > yet my Wall Charger and PC data cable leaves the display off. My wall
    > charger says it's output is 550 mHa, which is guess is still to low
    > to dual charging and talking. Though I pretty much never do either.
    >
    > Not sure what the proper term for the connectors are. but the Razr
    > uses the same connector type has most digital cameras and some MP3
    > players, while the other V series phones use the same connector type
    > as say the Motorola Bluetooth headset. But I did find a rapid wall
    > charger for the Razr out on the web






  6. #6
    BruceR
    Guest

    Re: Why is charging of Motorola phones so slow on the travel charger?

    BTW, the SPN5202A can be found on ebay for about US$10 delivered.

    Fromale White
    [email protected]

    > "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >>>
    >>> Do you have any part numbers for a rapid charger for a Razr?

    >>
    >> I'm pretty sure the same chargers work for the V3 RAZR.
    >>

    >
    > Hmm, Well, here I was thinking my Car charger (Branded by Cingular)
    > had something wrong with it, because it left the display light on
    > while charging (not to mention the phone gets warm when charging),
    > yet my Wall Charger and PC data cable leaves the display off. My wall
    > charger says it's output is 550 mHa, which is guess is still to low
    > to dual charging and talking. Though I pretty much never do either.
    >
    > Not sure what the proper term for the connectors are. but the Razr
    > uses the same connector type has most digital cameras and some MP3
    > players, while the other V series phones use the same connector type
    > as say the Motorola Bluetooth headset. But I did find a rapid wall
    > charger for the Razr out on the web






  7. #7
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Why is charging of Motorola phones so slow on the travel charger?

    bamp wrote:

    > | (For what it's worth, Motorola probably saved less than $1 in cost by
    > | packaging slow chargers instead of fast chargers with these phones.)
    >
    > Do you have any part numbers for a rapid charger for a Razr?


    Razr
    ----
    Rapid $9 "http://www.cellularaccessory.com/98605.html"
    Mini $20 "http://www.cellularaccessory.com/98604.html"


    V551 and other "CE Bus" Motorola/Nextel Phones
    ----------------------------------------------
    Mini $7 "http://www.cellularaccessory.com/spn5037.html"
    Fast $9 "http://store.yahoo.com/cellularaccessorycom/spn4716.html"


    Enter "gift4u" for an additional 7% off.

    In reality, the rapid charger almost certainly cost Motorola LESS to
    make because it lacks the folding plug. They think that people want the
    smaller charger for traveling, and that since most people charge
    overnight anyway, that the charge rate is immaterial.



  8. #8
    Dick
    Guest

    Re: Why is charging of Motorola phones so slow on the travel charger?

    On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 15:56:51 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >bamp wrote:
    >
    >> | (For what it's worth, Motorola probably saved less than $1 in cost by
    >> | packaging slow chargers instead of fast chargers with these phones.)
    >>
    >> Do you have any part numbers for a rapid charger for a Razr?

    >
    >Razr
    >----
    >Rapid $9 "http://www.cellularaccessory.com/98605.html"
    >Mini $20 "http://www.cellularaccessory.com/98604.html"
    >
    >
    >V551 and other "CE Bus" Motorola/Nextel Phones
    >----------------------------------------------
    >Mini $7 "http://www.cellularaccessory.com/spn5037.html"
    >Fast $9 "http://store.yahoo.com/cellularaccessorycom/spn4716.html"
    >
    >
    >Enter "gift4u" for an additional 7% off.
    >
    >In reality, the rapid charger almost certainly cost Motorola LESS to
    >make because it lacks the folding plug. They think that people want the
    >smaller charger for traveling, and that since most people charge
    >overnight anyway, that the charge rate is immaterial.


    My rapid charger PSM4716A with 1500 ma output does have the folding
    plug. Bought it on Ebay.

    Dick



  9. #9
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Why is charging of Motorola phones so slow on the travel charger?

    Dick wrote:

    > My rapid charger PSM4716A with 1500 ma output does have the folding
    > plug. Bought it on Ebay.


    Yes the PSM4716A has the folding plug ($7 at
    http://www.cellularaccessory.com/98357.html) but it's quite a bit larger
    than the SPN5037 ($7 at http://www.cellularaccessory.com/spn5037.html).
    I've found http://www.cellularaccessory.com to have better prices than
    eBay for genuine Motorola stuff, when shipping is taken into account.

    I prefer the smaller charger for traveling, and since I'm charging
    overnight anyway, the extra time is immaterial.



  10. #10
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Why is charging of Motorola phones so slow on the travel charger?

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Wed, 07 Dec 2005 15:56:51
    -0800, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:

    >bamp wrote:
    >
    >> | (For what it's worth, Motorola probably saved less than $1 in cost by
    >> | packaging slow chargers instead of fast chargers with these phones.)
    >>
    >> Do you have any part numbers for a rapid charger for a Razr?

    >
    >Razr
    >----
    >Rapid $9 "http://www.cellularaccessory.com/98605.html"
    >Mini $20 "http://www.cellularaccessory.com/98604.html"
    >
    >
    >V551 and other "CE Bus" Motorola/Nextel Phones
    >----------------------------------------------
    >Mini $7 "http://www.cellularaccessory.com/spn5037.html"
    >Fast $9 "http://store.yahoo.com/cellularaccessorycom/spn4716.html"
    >
    >
    >Enter "gift4u" for an additional 7% off.
    >
    >In reality, the rapid charger almost certainly cost Motorola LESS to
    >make because it lacks the folding plug. They think that people want the
    >smaller charger for traveling, and that since most people charge
    >overnight anyway, that the charge rate is immaterial.


    Yet another clueless statement: The rapid charger for the V551 *has* folding
    plugs.

    --
    Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  11. #11
    Dick
    Guest

    Re: Why is charging of Motorola phones so slow on the travel charger?

    On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:23:35 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Dick wrote:
    >
    >> My rapid charger PSM4716A with 1500 ma output does have the folding
    >> plug. Bought it on Ebay.

    >
    >Yes the PSM4716A has the folding plug ($7 at
    >http://www.cellularaccessory.com/98357.html) but it's quite a bit larger
    >than the SPN5037 ($7 at http://www.cellularaccessory.com/spn5037.html).
    >I've found http://www.cellularaccessory.com to have better prices than
    >eBay for genuine Motorola stuff, when shipping is taken into account.
    >
    >I prefer the smaller charger for traveling, and since I'm charging
    >overnight anyway, the extra time is immaterial.


    True enough. The 5037 comes with the V551. It is not a rapid
    charger, however. I thought that's what we were discussing.

    Dick



  12. #12
    Mark Rosen
    Guest

    Re: FAQ: Why is charging of Motorola phones so slow on the travel charger?

    Cingular sales rep told me the standard disclaimer:
    if you use any charger other than the one that comes with the v551 phone
    you could damage the phone and/or battery and void Cingulars warranty

    This being interesting: I moved from Nextel to Cingular last Feb.
    I had a couple of spare Nextel chargers

    Noticing the difference in amperage and voltage -- I figured I could
    get faster charge
    I emailed Motorola V551 support and asked them if the chargers could be used
    they said yes

    I got faster charge times and it seemed the battery time was longer
    (but I didnt do
    any comparisons)

    Another case of the manufacture says yes and the repackager (Cingular says no)
    I dont understand the reasoning -- you can buy the little travel
    chargers for the same price
    as the Nextel on ebay or 3rd party vendor

    The real killer is that there is no Cingular authorized faster charger
    they have only the one -- they could sell you one for $30 at sales
    time and make a killing
    But -- I guess they are no up on the consumers needs
    Usually the first add on is a second charger or a case/holster
    Considering the cost for the consumer to buy the holster and the cost
    to make is prob close
    to 10,000 times net profit ( a hunk of plastic)

    the unlogic befuddles me sort of incomplete marketing
    I guess he answer is (if you have to ) warranty repair through Motorola and
    stay clear of Cingular for repairs if it is even possible


    On 2005-12-05 17:56:18 -0500, John Navas <[email protected]> said:

    > Q: Why is charging of Motorola phones so slow on the travel charger?
    >
    > A: The standard travel charger packaged by Motorola with many current
    > phones puts out insufficient power for fastest possible charging and for
    > continuous use while charging.
    >
    > For example, charger SSW-0509 for the V551 puts out only 375 mA. The
    > V551 detects this as a slow charger, and thus keeps the external display
    > backlight off during charging. Worse, there's not enough current to
    > keep up with use of the phone while charging, so while the phone is use,
    > the battery will still be discharged even with the phone on the charger.
    > With a fast charger the external display backlight is on during
    > charging, and the phone can be used while the battery is charging.
    >
    > Motorola makes fast 1500 mA chargers that are compatible with these phones:
    > * SPN4716* (where * might be "B" or "C"), also known as
    > * NNTN4250 (nominally for Nextel, but also works with non-Nextel phones).
    > These chargers are readily available from dealers and on eBay for under
    > $15 (plus shipping).
    >
    > (For what it's worth, Motorola probably saved less than $1 in cost by
    > packaging slow chargers instead of fast chargers with these phones.)






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