Push To Talk , Cingular vs Nextel

Originally Posted by Dr. Ray Batty

If you value high quality PTT above ALL else, then Nextel is for you.

As a former long time Nextel subscriber I would disagree with you on that one, PTT on Nextel has always been 80% at best.

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Tstright Wrote:
> Dr. Ray Batty Wrote:
> >
> >
> > If you value high quality PTT above ALL else, then Nextel is for
> you.
>
> As a former long time Nextel subscriber I would disagree with you on
> that one, PTT on Nextel has always been 80% at best.
>
>
> We've used PTT on Nextel since 1998 and had much better experience than
> that, certainly over 90%


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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>>On Cingular, it can take many seconds at times.
>
> It actually takes less than 2 seconds most of the time. No big deal.
> What
> matters is latency once the connection has been set up, which is as good
> or
> better for Cingular than for Nextel.
>


Once again, you don't know what you're talking about. Why don't we consult
a more authoritative source:

On December 8, 2005, Craig Ferril, CEO of Kodiak Networks (which built the
Cingular PTT platform) stated at an address to the investment community
hosted by Bear Stearns that the initial latency for call setup is typically
9-10 seconds. Don't believe it? Google it- I've given you more than enough
info to find it.

Now, John- that's twice in less than a week that you've shown yourself to be
less than knowledgeable about a subject being discussed here. I see that
you are avoiding the last thread about iDen network longevity like the
plague- could it be because you made an ass of yourself?

Originally Posted by Scott

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
>>On Cingular, it can take many seconds at times.
>
> It actually takes less than 2 seconds most of the time. No big deal.
> What
> matters is latency once the connection has been set up, which is as good
> or
> better for Cingular than for Nextel.
>


Once again, you don't know what you're talking about. Why don't we consult
a more authoritative source:

On December 8, 2005, Craig Ferril, CEO of Kodiak Networks (which built the
Cingular PTT platform) stated at an address to the investment community
hosted by Bear Stearns that the initial latency for call setup is typically
9-10 seconds. Don't believe it? Google it- I've given you more than enough
info to find it.

Now, John- that's twice in less than a week that you've shown yourself to be
less than knowledgeable about a subject being discussed here. I see that
you are avoiding the last thread about iDen network longevity like the
plague- could it be because you made an ass of yourself?

I myself find the 9-10 second lag as no big deal, At least to me. I can see how this would bother some tho...

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:28:20 -0700,
"Scott" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>On Cingular, it can take many seconds at times.
>>
>> It actually takes less than 2 seconds most of the time. No big deal.
>> What matters is latency once the connection has been set up, which is as good
>> or better for Cingular than for Nextel.
>
>Once again, you don't know what you're talking about. Why don't we consult
>a more authoritative source:
>
>On December 8, 2005, Craig Ferril, CEO of Kodiak Networks (which built the
>Cingular PTT platform) stated at an address to the investment community
>hosted by Bear Stearns that the initial latency for call setup is typically
>9-10 seconds. Don't believe it? Google it- I've given you more than enough
>info to find it.

You've mis*****ed the name, and the conference call doesn't seem to be public.
In any event, here's what I was referring to:

In a report about Alltel's Touch2Talk service, which is provided by Kodiak,
Yankee Group analyst Adam Guy writes, "While call setup latency averaged
about 2 seconds, the intra-call latency was almost nonexistent.
<http://www.forbes.com/personaltech/2004/02/25/cx_al_0225nextel.html>

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Scott wrote:
> "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Cingular, it can take many seconds at times.
>> It actually takes less than 2 seconds most of the time. No big deal.
>> What
>> matters is latency once the connection has been set up, which is as good
>> or
>> better for Cingular than for Nextel.
>>
>
>
> Once again, you don't know what you're talking about. Why don't we consult
> a more authoritative source:
>
> On December 8, 2005, Craig Ferril, CEO of Kodiak Networks (which built the
> Cingular PTT platform) stated at an address to the investment community
> hosted by Bear Stearns that the initial latency for call setup is typically
> 9-10 seconds. Don't believe it? Google it- I've given you more than enough
> info to find it.

I think that Farrill was referring to CDMA setup latency. He has claimed
2-3 seconds for GSM setup latency under Kodiak's platform. If this is
true, then it's 1 to 1.5 seconds longer than Nextel's setup time, no big
deal.

The Bear Stearns interview is not public, as far as I can tell you have
to be a Bear Stearns client to listen to the archive.

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:50:54 -0600, Tstright
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Dr. Ray Batty Wrote:
>>
>> If you value high quality PTT above ALL else, then Nextel is for you.
>
>As a former long time Nextel subscriber I would disagree with you on
>that one, PTT on Nextel has always been 80% at best.

The context of the article was that NexTel does PTT better than ALL
ELSE.

Since you disagree, who else, IYHO, does PTT better?

WRONG OH JOHN, it takes over 15 to 20 seconds at least in my area,
discussed it with a tech today and there working on the problems.

Nextel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trying Cingular and its NOT for me/family and friends and with all the
perks and discounts I get from work, it is 45 dollars cheaper than
Cingular, with 1800 minutes of Cell time and Unlimited Direct Connect
PTT. And since I said I was leaving them after discussing some issues
I got even a better deal. So for 2 years and the lower price,
Hmmmmmmmm is this hard to figure OUT?

I dont think so.
JOHN stick with Cingular, its easier for you. From what I have read
from numerous posts you have made on this topic and others its a wonder
you can find the bathroom in morning

Michael3977 wrote:
> its a wonder you can find the bathroom in morning

Maybe he follows his smart dog outside in the morning.

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In <[email protected]> on 19 Dec 2005
16:02:23 -0800, "Michael3977" <[email protected]> wrote:

>WRONG OH JOHN, it takes over 15 to 20 seconds at least in my area,
>discussed it with a tech today and there working on the problems.

I would guess these are teething problems, which isn't terribly surprising.
On other networks Kodiak has delivered setup times of 3 seconds or less,
typically 2 seconds. Let's give it a little time and see.

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John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on 19 Dec 2005
> 16:02:23 -0800, "Michael3977" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>WRONG OH JOHN, it takes over 15 to 20 seconds at least in my area,
>>discussed it with a tech today and there working on the problems.
>
> I would guess these are teething problems, which isn't terribly
> surprising.
> On other networks Kodiak has delivered setup times of 3 seconds or less,
> typically 2 seconds. Let's give it a little time and see.
>
> --
Or- it could be as I explained. Long call setup. And other than Alltel,
what other networks would you be talking about?

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> You've mis*****ed the name,

Correct.

>and the conference call doesn't seem to be public.

Incorrect.


> In any event, here's what I was referring to:
>
> In a report about Alltel's Touch2Talk service, which is provided by
> Kodiak,
> Yankee Group analyst Adam Guy writes, "While call setup latency averaged
> about 2 seconds, the intra-call latency was almost nonexistent.
> <http://www.forbes.com/personaltech/2004/02/25/cx_al_0225nextel.html>
>

So, you are basing your claims on a much smaller and less active network
with different protocols? I don't believe I would be putting all of my eggs
in that basket.

But, you continue to hold onto that misconception for now. Let's just say
that I'll stand behind the statement made by the CEO, and the data fro mthe
field seems to be more in line with my number. You can talk about tweaking
all you want as the solution- I believe Verizon cornered the market on that
term when discussing PTT networks. It really helped them, didn't it?

Originally Posted by Dr. Ray Batty

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:50:54 -0600, Tstright
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Dr. Ray Batty Wrote:
>>
>> If you value high quality PTT above ALL else, then Nextel is for you.
>
>As a former long time Nextel subscriber I would disagree with you on
>that one, PTT on Nextel has always been 80% at best.

The context of the article was that NexTel does PTT better than ALL
ELSE.

Since you disagree, who else, IYHO, does PTT better?

I would have to say cingular, since I dropped nextel for them... But that's just MHO.

"SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> I think that Farrill was referring to CDMA setup latency. He has claimed
> 2-3 seconds for GSM setup latency under Kodiak's platform. If this is
> true, then it's 1 to 1.5 seconds longer than Nextel's setup time, no big
> deal.
>

Geez, Steve- I'd be willing to admit being wrong if that is the case. Navas
is putting all of his eggs in the Alltel basket and I'd love to see him
claim superiority over the guy that runs the network.


> The Bear Stearns interview is not public, as far as I can tell you have to
> be a Bear Stearns client to listen to the archive.

Hmmm- let me see if I can find the link I had. A pretty good report of the
address.