I can't believe this - has Verizon lost its mind?

Cliff wrote:

> I don't know about polls, studies and the like, but I will tell you all from
> personal experience that since I have been using newsgroups since they
> started; As a general rule the appearance is that people used to be really
> "geeky" to read a newsgroup back in the day, and now with all of the search
> engines accessing the NG's for info there is a broader section of people
> using them.

True. There are a lot more people using Usenet, without realizing that
they are using Usenet. Dejanews, which was was acquired by Google and
turned into Google Groups, was the first web front end to Usenet, AFAIK,
but now there seem to be a large number of web links to specific
newsgroups where people can post without having the slightest idea of
what Usenet is.

> Of course with the broader use and the perceived ability to make yourself
> invisible or anonymous there are a lot more people posting either outright
> crap, flames or even worse. So I think we are getting a broader cross
> section of the population of the world.

It's still pretty low. There are all the make money scams, which are
easily filtered out. Filter out the racism and obscenities, and the S/N
ratio goes way up. Filter out certain posters that shill for specific
corporations, and it goes up even more.

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"GomJabbar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I honestly believe if the "Moderator" of this newsgroup was no longer
> to post, most of the flaming going on here would cease. Yes there
> would still be some, but I believe the percentage would drop
> significantly. Just think of the possibilities - no more threads with
> 315+ replies!
>
Gomjabber, there is no moderator here as this is not a moderated group.
In other words, this is anarchy. Prepare to defend your self
Bob

In article <eYgQf.4848$%[email protected]>,
"Cliff" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I don't know about polls, studies and the like, but I will tell you all from
> personal experience that since I have been using newsgroups since they
> started; As a general rule the appearance is that people used to be really
> "geeky" to read a newsgroup back in the day, and now with all of the search
> engines accessing the NG's for info there is a broader section of people
> using them.
>
> Of course with the broader use and the perceived ability to make yourself
> invisible or anonymous there are a lot more people posting either outright
> crap, flames or even worse. So I think we are getting a broader cross
> section of the population of the world.


of course you're correct. navas is often committed to obstinately
defending his ignorance and fairly creative at coming up with reasons
to explain why he is right and facts are wrong. i didn't see a reason
to bother correcting him again.

In article <[email protected]>,
Michael Wise <[email protected]> wrote:


> > >> >> And I was in Corte Madera (in Marin County north of San Francisco).
> > >> >> My
> > >> >> companion couldn't make a call on her Verizon phone due to lack of
> > >> >> signal,
> > >> >> but
> > >> >> had no problem when I loaned her my Cingular ENS-capable GSM phone.
> > >> >
> > >> >Funny you should claim that. I'm in Corte Madera at least twice a week,
> > >> >as I have several client sites there as well as very near there
> > >> >(Kentfield). Please tell me where exactly in Corte Madera your
> > >> >companion
> > >> >could not make a call with a VZW phone in. I'll be in Corte Madera
> > >> >tomorrow, so this will be easy to verify.
> > >>
> > >> House near San Clemente Park.
> > >
> > >Not far from one of my clients.
> > >
> > >Testing Paradise Dr. east from San Clemente Dr., stopping in the park,
> > >and then continuing east to Golden Hind Passage and then the Golden
> > >Hind Passage loop counter-clockwise through to Prince Royal Passage and
> > >back to Paradise should cover it as that circles that area.
> > >
> > >Agreed?
> >
> > No. Again, *house* near San Clemente Park. The Verizon phone works
> > (poorly),
> > but not inside. Cingular works inside as well as outside. Going outside
> > to
> > make and take calls isn't a reasonable option.
>
>
>
> OK, as promised, I went to that area today to verify your claims in
> between my Kentfield and Sausalito appointments.
>
> To rehash:
>
> You started off by saying your companion couldn't make a call with her
> VZW phone in Corte Madera due to lack of signal.
>
> I then asked you for the precise location in Corte Madera. You responded
> by saying "House near San Clemente Park."
>
> When I stated I could test the area around San Clemente Park and would
> that be a sufficient, you stated no. Apparently, it isn't Corte Madera
> overall where there's no VZW signal, and it isn't the area around San
> Clemente Park where there's no VZW signal;...it turns out its inside one
> house in the area near San Clemente Park where there's no signal.
>
> No way I can test that...but you did say the signal in the front yard
> was "poor." You didn't define "poor" even when asked, but you did say it
> wasn't bar strength (also when asked).
>
> I'm not sure how one can determine whether or not a signal is poor other
> than whether they can make/receive calls and/or bar strength...so I
> today did both.
>
>
> I started off by initiating a call to a San Francisco POTS line just as
> I was taking the Paradise Rd. exit off 101 North. I stayed on that same
> call eastbound on Paradise Rd. almost to the bay and then cut north on
> Golden Hind Passage to loop around San Clemente Park. I looped around
> the park twice: first on a wider ring cutting south on Prince Royal and
> the seconfdtime taking Ebbtide to Seamast to Staghound, Spindrift, and
> then Prince Royal.
>
>
> That pretty much covers the area around San Clemente Park...agreed?
> Guess that, the phone call I started just after exiting 101 was crystal
> clear during this entire evolution and bar signal strength was mostly
> 3-4 sometimes dropping to 2 for a few moments.
>
>
> How exactly does this poor signal your companion supposedly experienced
> with VZW on a front lawn near SC Park manifest itself?
>
> No doubt, at this point you would normally assert I probably wasn't even
> there. I thought of that, so I made a third circuit through the streets
> around SC Park stopping several times to take pictures of my VZW phone's
> signal strength with street sign intersections, and in one picture San
> Quentin prison, as backdrops to prove I was there. I took a lot more
> than published, but the glare from the sun on the phone display was to
> bright on many.
>
>
> http://www.okean.com/vzw.html
>
>
>
> Any more fabrications about phantom areas with no or "poor" VZW signal,
> but with good Cingular signal in Marin or SF, Mr. Navas?



Mr. Navas,

Do you plan on responding to my field-report showing your claim to be
less than accurate?


--Mike

The Other Funk wrote:
> "GomJabbar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I honestly believe if the "Moderator" of this newsgroup was no longer
>> to post, most of the flaming going on here would cease. Yes there
>> would still be some, but I believe the percentage would drop
>> significantly. Just think of the possibilities - no more threads with
>> 315+ replies!
>>
> Gomjabber, there is no moderator here as this is not a moderated group.
> In other words, this is anarchy. Prepare to defend your self
> Bob

Did you miss the quotation marks?

I'm kind of hoping that the AT&T acquisition of Bell South is successful
since Cingular will then change its name to AT&T Wireless. This means
that the Usenet group alt.cellular.attws will once again be active, and
the alt.cellular.cingular group will disappear.

james g. keegan jr. wrote:
> of course you're correct. navas is often committed to obstinately
> defending his ignorance and fairly creative at coming up with reasons
> to explain why he is right and facts are wrong. i didn't see a reason
> to bother correcting him again.

LOL...and Lord Vader thinks I'm the only one that has a personal hard on
for Navas.