Thinking of Sprint

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In <tDy%f.13341$gy2.4983@trnddc08> on Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:36:41 GMT, "Jeremy"
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>> Anyway, the price is the problem. My plan is $49. I need new phones.
>> I am not willing to pay $69/mo to do that. Unlocked phones cost just
>> as much as a 2 yr contract, so that is a wash. Cingular has a strong
>> desire to remove all AT&T SIMs from their network and get them on
>> Cingular SIMs. I'd need a new $69 contract to get Cingular SIMs.
>
>I can't comment on the best available price, but I strongly recommend that,
>whatever you do, you don't favor Cingular with your future business, if
>there is another acceptable alternative provider. They are simply coercing
>you.

There's no coercion.

>There is no reason that you could not be allowed to switch to the
>Orange network and still keep your old rate plan--they just don't want to do
>that.

The reason has been explained to you repeatedly.

>Trouble is, Cingular is not giving you the same level of service that ATTWS
>did,

Wrong again. ATTWS did much of the conversion of TDMA (D-AMPS) to GSM.

>... They are snakes.

How mature.

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John Navas wrote:
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> In <[email protected]> on 13 Apr 2006
> 17:09:26 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
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> >Trying to be fair;
> >...
> >I've never been too impressed with GSM. My two GMS phones have poor
> >audio quality on Cingular/AT&T networks.
>
> Why not try a better phone? Good GSM phones have excellent audio.
>
> >I can roam to both towers
> >now, so I get better coverage than before the buyout. But GSM has less
> >building penetration than CDMA.
>
> Not true.
>
> >My works Cingular CDMA phone has
> >better voice quality and coverage. It is not a choppy / digital.
>
> There are no Cingular CDMA phones.
>
> >Cingular phones are GSM, and with the right band these are world
> >phones. Sprint PCS doesn't offer this feature, right?
>
> Right.
>
> >Since these are not GMS, there are not SIMS, so I can't purchase a
> >replacement phone off of e-bay and just swap the SIM. I have to get
> >another phone from Sprint, right?
>
> No, you can have Sprint activate any supported phone.

And the only "supported phones" are those (initially) sold by Sprint.

Notan

John Navas wrote:
>> I can roam to both towers
>> now, so I get better coverage than before the buyout. But GSM has less
>> building penetration than CDMA.
>
> Not true.

Ah, with T-Mobile at 1900 you might have a little more trouble than with
Cingular at 850. Perhaps that's what he was referring to.

>> My works Cingular CDMA phone has
>> better voice quality and coverage. It is not a choppy / digital.
>
> There are no Cingular CDMA phones.

He probably meant TDMA.

>> Cingular phones are GSM, and with the right band these are world
>> phones. Sprint PCS doesn't offer this feature, right?
>
> Right.

Wrong, kinda. Most aren't, but Verizon and Sprint each offer at least one
phone that runs on European GSM and North American CDMA frequencies. (They
may even still have the same model; both were selling the Samsung 890.)

Nothing that runs on American GSM though.

>> Since these are not GMS, there are not SIMS, so I can't purchase a
>> replacement phone off of e-bay and just swap the SIM. I have to get
>> another phone from Sprint, right?
>
> No, you can have Sprint activate any supported phone.

....as long as they originally sold it. I've bought and activated Sprint
phones off eBay and my brother-in-law has the one I got rid of when I
switched to T-Mo. As long as it is a Sprint-branded phone you should be fine.

(I'm agreeing with you - just adding a couple of my own notes)

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John Navas wrote:

> Nope, as has been explained to you repeatedly.
>
>> And SBC Communications' reputation for
>> arm-twisting their own customers has earned them a negative reputation in
>> their own right.
>
> Wrong there too.

SBC's refusal to give me my money back after my DSL and dialtone were out of
service for two months resulted in my policy of never even considering
Cingular now, no matter how good their network is. They're malicious, evil
people (although I *have* encountered pockets of competent, customer-friendly
people at SBC, the corporate culture is "screw the customer as long and as
hard as you can").

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Apple Valley, CA
Resident of Southern California -
the home of beautiful people and butt-ugly traffic jams

"Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> SBC's refusal to give me my money back after my DSL and dialtone were out
> of service for two months resulted in my policy of never even considering
> Cingular now, no matter how good their network is. They're malicious, evil
> people (although I *have* encountered pockets of competent,
> customer-friendly people at SBC, the corporate culture is "screw the
> customer as long and as hard as you can").
>


Apparently they screw their own employees too . . .

http://www.vault.com/messages/SBC_Co...c.1382361.html

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In <[email protected]> on 17 Apr 2006
> 06:31:05 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
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>>I found a few sites that list which towers are where.
>
> All that I've seen are quite inaccurate.

And you base this on what? More of your anecdotal and uninformed opinions?


>
>>At home, I have
>>a Cingular and T-Mobile tower I can see out my backdoor. These are on
>>a radio towers, so the towers are very high. The Sprint tower by my
>>house is actually an Alltel tower which is about 2 miles away and sits
>>low compared to my home.
>
> You know this ... how???
>

Maybe by researching and getting facts?

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> They actually look at both, as well as churn, trends, and financial
> performance, which would be hurt by dumping low revenue customers.
>

Which is why Cingular performed so poorly financially in comparison to the
competition.

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> In <mj00g.5593$yQ.2212@trnddc07> on Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:23:14 GMT,
> "Jeremy"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>Your story is typical of millions of us former ATTWS customers. I think
>>that what most of us find so offensive and insulting is our perception
>>that
>>we were entitled to some little bit of consideration for having been
>>long-time customers (and, like your sister, I never came close to using up
>>my Anytime Minutes. ATTWS made money on me.)
>
> ATTWS actually got in trouble on people like you and had to sell out to
> Cingular. It wouldn't make sense for Cingular to repeat those mistakes.

No- it is well documented that ATTWS got in trouble from a botched GSM
conversion coupled with a complete failure of their porting procedure when
WNLP was initiated.

>
>>Instead, they acted as
>>though we were some second-class undesirables that should have felt glad
>>to
>>get anything at all from them.
>
> Nonsense. You were treated as well as anyone else.

Then why don't they have the same functionality available as Orange network
customers?

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In fact it usually is possible trace a call back to the person that
> handled it
> -- most call centers log or even record calls.
>

IN FACT it is usually NOT possible to trace a call back to the person that
handled it. Most call centers DO NOT log or record every call.

Try again or stay out of this area of the business- I forgot more on my way
home today about this stuff than you have ever known.

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Actually it does, a great deal. Having run Tech Support operations, I
> know
> how many people are abusive.

For who? Radio Shack?

>
>>The point I start to
>>get irritated is when someone tries to tell me they "don't have a
>>manager" or "there is no manager here" or "I can't do anything and I
>>can't escalate this to someone who can". All of these things are lies
>>as far as I'm concerned, they CAN do something, it's just the fact that
>>the motivation to do so is not there.
>
> So you call anything that pisses you off a lie?
>

Why should he be any different than you?

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:38:01 -0600,
"Scott" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> You know this ... how???
>
>Maybe by researching and getting facts?

Since we both know that's not true, we can dispense with any further
discussion.

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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In <[email protected]> on Wed, 19 Apr 2006
> 20:38:01 -0600,
> "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>> You know this ... how???
>>
>>Maybe by researching and getting facts?
>
> Since we both know that's not true, we can dispense with any further
> discussion.
>

How do you know he didn't research? Are you now claiming to be a mind
reader on top of all your other mythical and imagined expertises?

You are so predictable. Unable to comprehend even the most basic of posts
and so in love with yourself that you can't see the truth.

Sprint lists on their site where the towers are. Tower search shows
that exactly where Sprint says their towers are Alltel owns a tower.
If I drive to the place where the tower is listed it is out in the
middle of a field with no other towers, nor nothing much else, around.
So 1+1=2. That must be the Sprint/Alltel tower.

If you search you can also find maps that show where Cingular has
towers. There are two radio towers behind my house. This is also a
large field. That is where the maps show Cingular, T-Mobile, KWTO, and
previously AT&T had their cell tower. You can see the cellular pieces
half way up these towers.

Cingulars towers all look alike here. Alltel/Sprints look alike but
different. Cingulars are mostly closed frame towers. Alltel/Sprint
have cross member support construction. I can see on the maps where
Cingular's tower at work is located and where Sprints is. It matches
up to what I see when I am in the parking lot.

Here is a picture of them. I do mean right out my back yard. While
you see a hill top, it's nothing but field from my back yard to the
towers.

http://static.flickr.com/42/92218256_2baf083ce2_b.jpg

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In <[email protected]> on 20 Apr 2006
07:05:16 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>Sprint lists on their site where the towers are. Tower search shows
>that exactly where Sprint says their towers are Alltel owns a tower.
>If I drive to the place where the tower is listed it is out in the
>middle of a field with no other towers, nor nothing much else, around.
>So 1+1=2. That must be the Sprint/Alltel tower.
>
>If you search you can also find maps that show where Cingular has
>towers. There are two radio towers behind my house. This is also a
>large field. That is where the maps show Cingular, T-Mobile, KWTO, and
>previously AT&T had their cell tower. You can see the cellular pieces
>half way up these towers.
>
>Cingulars towers all look alike here. Alltel/Sprints look alike but
>different. Cingulars are mostly closed frame towers. Alltel/Sprint
>have cross member support construction. I can see on the maps where
>Cingular's tower at work is located and where Sprints is. It matches
>up to what I see when I am in the parking lot.

Without proper equipment, you have no way of knowing what towers are actually
working for any given carrier, much less which tower(s) your phone is actually
connecting to.

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John Navas <http://NavasGroup.com/>