Cingular in DC area

> In my short time there in February, I found the same. Having coverage in
> the Metro can be a big plus for some people (including tourists).

Oh yeah, that'd be GREAT (not). More rambling from the cattle-like hordes
of tourists.

Get off the phone, relax and ride with a degree of quiet.

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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In <[email protected]> on Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:08:39
> -0700, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I haven't been to Denver in a while, but in Atlanta and the SF Bay Area,
> >you're correct about Verizon being much better. All the surveys show the
> >same thing.
>
> Nope.

Don't just bleat "is too, is not", cite references.

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 3 May 2006 10:25:55 -0400,
"Bill Kearney" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> In <[email protected]> on Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:08:39
>> -0700, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >I haven't been to Denver in a while, but in Atlanta and the SF Bay Area,
>> >you're correct about Verizon being much better. All the surveys show the
>> >same thing.
>>
>> Nope.
>
>Don't just bleat "is too, is not", cite references.

Likewise Steven's flat statement, which simply isn't true. Differences
between carriers are actually small, probably within the sampling error, and
the results for Cingular and Sprint-Nextel are obviously distorted by
inappropriately combining dissimilar technologies and networks (e.g.,
TDMA/D-AMPS + old GSM + new GSM; CDMA + iDEN).

This has been beaten to death so much that it's not worth more verbiage than
that. If you missed the details of what's been said, Google Groups is a good
way to access it.

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 3 May 2006 10:25:10 -0400,
"Bill Kearney" <[email protected]> wrote:

>> In my short time there in February, I found the same. Having coverage in
>> the Metro can be a big plus for some people (including tourists).
>
>Oh yeah, that'd be GREAT (not). More rambling from the cattle-like hordes
>of tourists.
>
>Get off the phone, relax and ride with a degree of quiet.

Agreed. It really is annoying to be riding on a train while people are
shouting into their cell phones.

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Bill Kearney wrote:
> "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> In <[email protected]> on Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:08:39
>> -0700, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't been to Denver in a while, but in Atlanta and the SF Bay Area,
>>> you're correct about Verizon being much better. All the surveys show the
>>> same thing.
>> Nope.
>
> Don't just bleat "is too, is not", cite references.

He has no references, so all he can do is bleat. He's been doing this
for as long as any of us can remember.

On Tue, 02 May 2006 05:33:38 GMT, John Navas
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Not true. In addition, Cingular has a $20/month unlimited package that's far
>less expensive than Verizon.


John,

Is this true? I just signed up with Cingular and they are charging me
$59.95 for unlimited data.


Best,

Bob

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 10 May 2006 17:41:58
-0700, "Robert A. Fink, M. D." <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 02 May 2006 05:33:38 GMT, John Navas
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Not true. In addition, Cingular has a $20/month unlimited package that's far
>>less expensive than Verizon.

>Is this true? I just signed up with Cingular and they are charging me
>$59.95 for unlimited data.

The $20/month package is intended for handsets only. "Tethering" to a laptop
(and presumably use of the SIM in a PC Card in a laptop, although that isn't
explicitly stated AFAIK) is prohibited, but does work.

Cingular will often refuse to give you the $20/month package if you've bought
a PDA or PC Card. The trick seems to be saying that you only want to use it
on your phone.

Note that the $20/month package does have some restrictions as compared to the
$60/month laptop package, notably the inability to use VPN, plus no Data
Acceleration. Other than that, it works quite well (e.g., Web, email, FTP).

This is covered in the FAQ below.

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Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
> On Tue, 02 May 2006 05:33:38 GMT, John Navas
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Not true. In addition, Cingular has a $20/month unlimited package that's far
>> less expensive than Verizon.
>
>
> John,
>
> Is this true? I just signed up with Cingular and they are charging me
> $59.95 for unlimited data.

The $20 per month is for MediaNet Unlimited (see
"https://www.cingular.com/media/media_net_purchase"). This is for web
browsing on your phone, not on your computer or PDA.

Cingular states "MEdia Net packages are not intended for tethering.
Cingular reserves the right to remove customers from MEdia Net packages
for the use of a wireless device as an interface to other devices or
networks, as determined by Cingular, including but not limited to device
tethering."

Many people do tether, using MEdia Net, and if they don't abuse it then
Cingular will likely look the other way. I don't think that you get
HSPDA or even UMTS with MEdiaNet. Still, for occasional use it's a good
deal if you don't get caught. Cingular probably realizes that for many
people, they can either get that $20/month or get nothing, since these
same people won't pay $59.99 per month (they'll either do without data,
or use Sprint or Verizon which are the same price but provide higher
speed data and wider high speed data coverage).

In short, unlimited data on Cingular's high speed network is $59.99 per
month, the same as what Sprint and Verizon charge (though with Sprint
and Verizon you get both higher data rates, and many more areas where
high speed data exists (not to mention much better wireless coverage for
voice, try using a Cingular phone in places like Tilden Park!).

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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 11 May 2006 05:38:37
-0700, VERIZON ZEALOT SMS <[email protected]> wrote:

>Many people do tether, using MEdia Net, and if they don't abuse it then
>Cingular will likely look the other way. I don't think that you get
>HSPDA or even UMTS with MEdiaNet.

That wasn't possible in the past, but you clearly can in at least some cases
now, as Cingular is selling phones (LG CU320, Samsung ZX10) that can be used
on UMTS with Unlimited MEdia Net.

>Still, for occasional use it's a good
>deal if you don't get caught.

I've seen no credible evidence of anybody getting caught.

>Cingular probably realizes that for many
>people, they can either get that $20/month or get nothing, since these
>same people won't pay $59.99 per month (they'll either do without data,

I doubt Cingular sees it that way.

>or use Sprint or Verizon which are the same price but provide higher
>speed data and wider high speed data coverage).

In fact Cingular has comparable speed with UMTS/HSDPA, and even wider coverage
with EGPRS(EDGE).

>In short, unlimited data on Cingular's high speed network is $59.99 per
>month, the same as what Sprint and Verizon charge (though with Sprint
>and Verizon you get both higher data rates, and many more areas where
>high speed data exists (not to mention much better wireless coverage for
>voice, try using a Cingular phone in places like Tilden Park!).

In fact Cingular has very good coverage in the San Francisco Bay Area (where
Tilden Park is located), arguably the best of any carrier given that GSM
customers have free access to both the ATTWS "blue" network and the Cingular
"orange" network. All carrier have holes. Verizon works in places Cingular
doesn't. Likewise Sprint-Nextel. And Cingular works in places that Verizon
doesn't. Likewise Sprint-Nextel. Etc.

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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 11 May
2006 20:33:53 GMT, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

>In <[email protected]> on Thu, 11 May 2006 05:38:37
>-0700, VERIZON ZEALOT SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Many people do tether, using MEdia Net, and if they don't abuse it then
>>Cingular will likely look the other way. I don't think that you get
>>HSPDA or even UMTS with MEdiaNet.
>
>That wasn't possible in the past, but you clearly can in at least some cases
>now, as Cingular is selling phones (LG CU320, Samsung ZX10) that can be used
>on UMTS with Unlimited MEdia Net.

I checked with a Cingular company store, and was assured that UMTS data (e.g.,
streaming video) *would* work on my legacy $20/mo MEdia Net Unlimited package
*if* I obtained a new "3G SIM" for a UMTS phone.

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[email protected] wrote:
> Sorry if this has been covered; I haven't seen a recent post about it.
>
> I'm moving back to DC soon. I had Verizon before, which was great, but
> I hate how they are hijacking their phones, so I'm considering moving
> to Cingular.
>
> My question: what can you tell me about the coverage in the DC area?

I work in DC and live in Gaithersburg, MD. Coverage in DC proper is
excellent. There are a few "dead" spots on the commute home but for
the most part it's good.

> Any plans for Cingular to work in the Metro?

Haven't heard of any.

And how is the coverage
> between DC out to the beaches?

Excellent coverage. I go to Rehobeth, Bethany and Ocean City and I get
great service during the drive out and while I'm there.

>
> Thanks!

YW !