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  1. #16
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: NEWS: Cingular claims US first with HSDPA handset

    In alt.cellular.cingular Rico <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > I don't know what country you live in John but in the entire USA there are
    > three wire options into people's homes, the bell monopoly, the cable
    > monopoly and the power monopoly. That is it, no one else is allowed by law
    > to play. There ar esome reasonable and pratical reasons for this, but
    > nver-the-less that is all the choice a consumer has and actually only two
    > of them are even remotely viable. Are you sure you aren't in the direct pay
    > of AT&T, I mean you are better then the official spokes person, even they
    > admit there are very limited choices.
    >


    This is not true at all. I can get a different phone company and they use the
    common carrier to deliver service. I can use DSL services via an ILEC like
    Covad if I like. Futher, there is no monopoly on Phone Service in general as
    I choose a different phone company [as already established], I can choose to
    use a company like Comcast or I can choose to use VoIP or even wireless.

    So, in short, I can get telephone, data and television services from multiple
    sources, so none of the three are local monopolies. The ONLY local monopoly
    is your basic utilities [of which phone is no longer a part]; electricity,
    natural gas [if you get it] and water.

    So, if you have issues with utilities ... including telephone services, you
    can talk to your PUC, but misusing the term monopoly won't get you far these
    days.

    --
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1





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  2. #17
    Peter Pan
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Cingular claims US first with HSDPA handset

    Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
    > In alt.cellular.cingular Rico <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> I don't know what country you live in John but in the entire USA
    >> there are three wire options into people's homes, the bell monopoly,
    >> the cable monopoly and the power monopoly. That is it, no one else
    >> is allowed by law to play. There ar esome reasonable and pratical
    >> reasons for this, but nver-the-less that is all the choice a
    >> consumer has and actually only two of them are even remotely viable.
    >> Are you sure you aren't in the direct pay of AT&T, I mean you are
    >> better then the official spokes person, even they admit there are
    >> very limited choices.
    >>

    >
    > This is not true at all. I can get a different phone company and
    > they use the common carrier to deliver service. I can use DSL
    > services via an ILEC like Covad if I like. Futher, there is no
    > monopoly on Phone Service in general as I choose a different phone
    > company [as already established], I can choose to use a company like
    > Comcast or I can choose to use VoIP or even wireless.
    >
    > So, in short, I can get telephone, data and television services from
    > multiple sources, so none of the three are local monopolies. The
    > ONLY local monopoly is your basic utilities [of which phone is no
    > longer a part]; electricity, natural gas [if you get it] and water.
    >
    > So, if you have issues with utilities ... including telephone
    > services, you can talk to your PUC, but misusing the term monopoly
    > won't get you far these days.


    Note the word "INTO" in the above (there are three wire options into
    people's homes).... Sure you can use others, but there is ONLY one local
    company that can do the end part INTO your home...





  3. #18
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Cingular claims US first with HSDPA handset

    On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:27:44 -0400, "Peter Pan"
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
    >> In alt.cellular.cingular Rico <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> I don't know what country you live in John but in the entire USA
    >>> there are three wire options into people's homes, the bell monopoly,
    >>> the cable monopoly and the power monopoly. That is it, no one else
    >>> is allowed by law to play. There ar esome reasonable and pratical
    >>> reasons for this, but nver-the-less that is all the choice a
    >>> consumer has and actually only two of them are even remotely viable.
    >>> Are you sure you aren't in the direct pay of AT&T, I mean you are
    >>> better then the official spokes person, even they admit there are
    >>> very limited choices.

    >>
    >> This is not true at all. I can get a different phone company and
    >> they use the common carrier to deliver service. I can use DSL
    >> services via an ILEC like Covad if I like. Futher, there is no
    >> monopoly on Phone Service in general as I choose a different phone
    >> company [as already established], I can choose to use a company like
    >> Comcast or I can choose to use VoIP or even wireless.
    >>
    >> So, in short, I can get telephone, data and television services from
    >> multiple sources, so none of the three are local monopolies. The
    >> ONLY local monopoly is your basic utilities [of which phone is no
    >> longer a part]; electricity, natural gas [if you get it] and water.
    >>
    >> So, if you have issues with utilities ... including telephone
    >> services, you can talk to your PUC, but misusing the term monopoly
    >> won't get you far these days.

    >
    >Note the word "INTO" in the above (there are three wire options into
    >people's homes).... Sure you can use others, but there is ONLY one local
    >company that can do the end part INTO your home...


    As a result of deregulation, there isn't any artificial limitation on
    "INTO" -- companies are free to overbuild even the last mile if they see
    a sufficiently good business opportunity. The problem is that the
    business opportunity isn't sufficiently good, not any monopoly.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  4. #19
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Cingular claims US first with HSDPA handset

    On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:58:42 GMT, [email protected] (Rico) wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >In article <[email protected]>, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:


    >>AT&T is a monopoly in nothing [OK, you are partly right, the local loop for
    >>customers without alternatives means they are a local monopoly]. A large
    >>percentage of customers in AT&T's area can use Cable for phone, broadband or
    >>Internet. They also have an option to use DBS for TV and Internet [the latter
    >>being pretty marginal] and they also have the option for using cell phones
    >>rather than a land line. No, they are not a monopoly.

    >
    >Ever try to call the fire department using your Direct TV box, they'll show
    >up in time to save the chimney.


    They'll respond just as fast whether you call with cable phone service,
    VoIP, sat phone, cellular, or landline.

    >There is no choice for the consumer. I know
    >you are brain washed into thinking cable = choice, it does not, you are
    >just trading one monopoy for another. This is why the fight over net
    >neutrality is so critical, because as a consumer you in fact have very few
    >to no choices about the wire into your home.


    There are actually lots of choices, some of which I've listed above.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  5. #20
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Cingular claims US first with HSDPA handset

    On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:27:06 -0700, William Ahern
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >> The LG CU500 comes preloaded with AOL, Yahoo! and MSN messenger clients,
    >> a "full featured" music player - and optional Bluetooth stereo headset -
    >> and a 1.3 megapixel camera. It is available in 18 major markets -
    >> Cingular expects to roll out its 3G network to most major markets by the
    >> end of the year. It costs $99 with a two-year contract. Choose the most
    >> expensive plan and you can get a $50 mail-in rebate.

    >
    >It's also comes preloaded CRIPPLED! Got mine yesterday, and today I
    >learned that the CU500 (unlike the CU320), will force the user to confirm
    >each and every HTTP connection initiated by a Java applet (at least,
    >applets not blessed by Cingular). Big deal, you say?


    I do. That's the way Java-enabled phones are supposed to act.
    Otherwise customers can get hit with large bills or security issues.

    >Try using google
    >maps: http://google.com/gmm.


    I do. It's great.

    >I pay $100/month so Cingular can pull stupid
    >stunts like this!? (Literally every connection; not just every
    >instantiation of the applet.)


    No, just once for each instantiation.

    >I've been waiting for this phone for months, now I'm regretting not having
    >gone w/ Sprint.


    Then return it.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  6. #21
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Cingular claims US first with HSDPA handset

    On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:57:17 GMT, [email protected] (Rico) wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >Of course it is easy to have a lot of infrastrure in S Korea, it has a land
    >mass less then California... <wink>


    A LOT less...
    South Korea: 38,321 square miles
    California: 163,707 square miles

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  7. #22
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Cingular claims US first with HSDPA handset

    In alt.cellular.cingular Peter Pan <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
    >> This is not true at all. I can get a different phone company and
    >> they use the common carrier to deliver service. I can use DSL
    >> services via an ILEC like Covad if I like. Futher, there is no
    >> monopoly on Phone Service in general as I choose a different phone
    >> company [as already established], I can choose to use a company like
    >> Comcast or I can choose to use VoIP or even wireless.
    >>
    >> So, in short, I can get telephone, data and television services from
    >> multiple sources, so none of the three are local monopolies. The
    >> ONLY local monopoly is your basic utilities [of which phone is no
    >> longer a part]; electricity, natural gas [if you get it] and water.
    >>
    >> So, if you have issues with utilities ... including telephone
    >> services, you can talk to your PUC, but misusing the term monopoly
    >> won't get you far these days.

    >
    > Note the word "INTO" in the above (there are three wire options into
    > people's homes).... Sure you can use others, but there is ONLY one local
    > company that can do the end part INTO your home...
    >


    It is not a monopoly, no matter how you shape and wrap it. Feel free to spin
    it otherwise if you like, but you will show your lack if you do.

    --
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1





  8. #23
    Rico
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Cingular claims US first with HSDPA handset

    In article <[email protected]>, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:58:42 GMT, [email protected] (Rico) wrote in
    ><[email protected]>:
    >
    >>In article <[email protected]>, "Thomas T.

    > Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>>AT&T is a monopoly in nothing [OK, you are partly right, the local loop for
    >>>customers without alternatives means they are a local monopoly]. A large
    >>>percentage of customers in AT&T's area can use Cable for phone, broadband or
    >>>Internet. They also have an option to use DBS for TV and Internet [the

    > latter
    >>>being pretty marginal] and they also have the option for using cell phones
    >>>rather than a land line. No, they are not a monopoly.

    >>
    >>Ever try to call the fire department using your Direct TV box, they'll show
    >>up in time to save the chimney.

    >
    >They'll respond just as fast whether you call with cable phone service,
    >VoIP, sat phone, cellular, or landline.
    >
    >>There is no choice for the consumer. I know
    >>you are brain washed into thinking cable = choice, it does not, you are
    >>just trading one monopoy for another. This is why the fight over net
    >>neutrality is so critical, because as a consumer you in fact have very few
    >>to no choices about the wire into your home.

    >
    >There are actually lots of choices, some of which I've listed above.
    >


    John you simpley do not live in the real world. Get out of the bay area
    sometime, it will prove an eye openner.

    fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.



  9. #24
    Rico
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Cingular claims US first with HSDPA handset

    In article <[email protected]>, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >In alt.cellular.cingular Rico <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> I don't know what country you live in John but in the entire USA there are
    >> three wire options into people's homes, the bell monopoly, the cable
    >> monopoly and the power monopoly. That is it, no one else is allowed by law
    >> to play. There ar esome reasonable and pratical reasons for this, but
    >> nver-the-less that is all the choice a consumer has and actually only two
    >> of them are even remotely viable. Are you sure you aren't in the direct pay
    >> of AT&T, I mean you are better then the official spokes person, even they
    >> admit there are very limited choices.
    >>

    >
    >This is not true at all. I can get a different phone company and they use the
    >common carrier to deliver service.


    Net they don't string new wire, bet they lease it from the bell monoploy.
    You can only get service as good as the bell monopoly will allow.

    > I can use DSL services via an ILEC like
    >Covad if I like. Futher, there is no monopoly on Phone Service in general as
    >I choose a different phone company [as already established], I can choose to
    >use a company like Comcast or I can choose to use VoIP or even wireless.
    >
    >So, in short, I can get telephone, data and television services from multiple
    >sources, so none of the three are local monopolies. The ONLY local monopoly
    >is your basic utilities [of which phone is no longer a part]; electricity,
    >natural gas [if you get it] and water.
    >
    >So, if you have issues with utilities ... including telephone services, you
    >can talk to your PUC, but misusing the term monopoly won't get you far these
    >days.
    >


    fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.



  10. #25
    Rico
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Cingular claims US first with HSDPA handset

    In article <[email protected]>, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >In alt.cellular.cingular Peter Pan <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
    >>> This is not true at all. I can get a different phone company and
    >>> they use the common carrier to deliver service. I can use DSL
    >>> services via an ILEC like Covad if I like. Futher, there is no
    >>> monopoly on Phone Service in general as I choose a different phone
    >>> company [as already established], I can choose to use a company like
    >>> Comcast or I can choose to use VoIP or even wireless.
    >>>
    >>> So, in short, I can get telephone, data and television services from
    >>> multiple sources, so none of the three are local monopolies. The
    >>> ONLY local monopoly is your basic utilities [of which phone is no
    >>> longer a part]; electricity, natural gas [if you get it] and water.
    >>>
    >>> So, if you have issues with utilities ... including telephone
    >>> services, you can talk to your PUC, but misusing the term monopoly
    >>> won't get you far these days.

    >>
    >> Note the word "INTO" in the above (there are three wire options into
    >> people's homes).... Sure you can use others, but there is ONLY one local
    >> company that can do the end part INTO your home...
    >>

    >
    >It is not a monopoly, no matter how you shape and wrap it. Feel free to spin
    >it otherwise if you like, but you will show your lack if you do.
    >


    Let me guess, one of the Bush appointees to the FCC?

    fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.



  11. #26
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Cingular claims US first with HSDPA handset

    On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:36:17 GMT, [email protected] (Rico) wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >In article <[email protected]>, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:


    >>This is not true at all. I can get a different phone company and they use the
    >>common carrier to deliver service.

    >
    >Net they don't string new wire, bet they lease it from the bell monoploy.
    >You can only get service as good as the bell monopoly will allow.


    There is no monopoly. Other companies can run their own cables, and
    some in fact do so.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  12. #27
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Cingular claims US first with HSDPA handset

    On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:34:23 GMT, [email protected] (Rico) wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >In article <[email protected]>, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:


    >>There are actually lots of choices, some of which I've listed above.


    >John you simpley do not live in the real world. Get out of the bay area
    >sometime, it will prove an eye openner.


    Been there; done that. Choices abound.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  13. #28
    DecaturTxCowboy
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Cingular claims US first with HSDPA handset

    John Navas wrote:
    > There is no monopoly. Other companies can run their own cables, and
    > some in fact do so.


    "Some" would mean a very very very very very small number that get past
    the PUC and easement right of ways.




  14. #29
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Cingular claims US first with HSDPA handset

    On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:20:53 GMT, DecaturTxCowboy <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >John Navas wrote:
    >> There is no monopoly. Other companies can run their own cables, and
    >> some in fact do so.

    >
    >"Some" would mean a very very very very very small number that get past
    >the PUC and easement right of ways.


    By Federal law such permission cannot be withheld unreasonably.

    The problem isn't PUC and easements -- the problem is lack of sufficient
    financial incentives.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  15. #30
    Rico
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Cingular claims US first with HSDPA handset

    In article <[email protected]>, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:36:17 GMT, [email protected] (Rico) wrote in
    ><[email protected]>:
    >
    >>In article <[email protected]>, "Thomas T.

    > Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>>This is not true at all. I can get a different phone company and they use

    > the
    >>>common carrier to deliver service.

    >>
    >>Net they don't string new wire, bet they lease it from the bell monoploy.
    >>You can only get service as good as the bell monopoly will allow.

    >
    >There is no monopoly. Other companies can run their own cables, and
    >some in fact do so.
    >


    Name the location. (city, town where bell also exists)

    fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.



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