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  1. #16
    WCJ
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    Re: VERY bad reception; what can be done?

    Jack Zwick wrote:
    >> > Cingular coverage in California is actually very good.


    >> Not according to anybody but you, Skippy.


    > In the Culver City area its infinitely better than Sprint.


    Great, but what about Arcadia? That's where I am, and it sucks...unless
    I'm willing to walk down the street a bit (which isn't always a good
    option).



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  2. #17
    Sam
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    Re: VERY bad reception; what can be done?


    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message

    >>Case in point, bandwidth capping.

    >
    > There is no bandwidth capping.


    With Bellsouth/FastAccess, there are already capping DSL at 60% or 80%
    lines. I'm at 80%. So how can you be so sure they will not carry this
    practice over to Cingular cell phone data operations as well? All
    indications show that they will once this market reaches some capacity
    level.

    >> Already provides a 30 day grace period for
    >> any service contract.

    >
    > Not in the case of cellular.


    Again, you opted to not convince me, so I will take that it is only your
    opinion that Cellular Phone Service Contracts have an exception clause in
    standard state consumer (service) contract laws or provisions.

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  3. #18
    John Navas
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    Re: VERY bad reception; what can be done?

    On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:31:59 -0400, "Sam" <[email protected]> wrote in
    <pmLzg.16624$%[email protected]>:

    >"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >
    >>>Case in point, bandwidth capping.

    >>
    >> There is no bandwidth capping.

    >
    >With Bellsouth/FastAccess, there are already capping DSL at 60% or 80%
    >lines. I'm at 80%.


    Consumer broadband is typically capped as a means of service tiering at
    different price points -- you get what you pay for.

    >So how can you be so sure they will not carry this
    >practice over to Cingular cell phone data operations as well? All
    >indications show that they will once this market reaches some capacity
    >level.


    The cellular network doesn't need to be capped:
    * Data slots are allocated based on network load (especially for voice),
    statically and/or dynamically.
    * All data users on a given cell compete for the available data slots,
    just as they do for voice slots.

    >>> Already provides a 30 day grace period for
    >>> any service contract.

    >>
    >> Not in the case of cellular.

    >
    >Again, you opted to not convince me, so I will take that it is only your
    >opinion that Cellular Phone Service Contracts have an exception clause in
    >standard state consumer (service) contract laws or provisions.


    Again, you are free to take it however you want, even though that's not
    at all what I said.

    Since you're the one making the claim, please cite specific laws (code
    and section) in at least a few states that give consumers the right to
    cancel cellular service agreements within 30 days without penalty.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  4. #19
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: VERY bad reception; what can be done?

    WCJ <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Jack Zwick wrote:
    >>> > Cingular coverage in California is actually very good.

    >
    >>> Not according to anybody but you, Skippy.

    >
    >> In the Culver City area its infinitely better than Sprint.

    >
    > Great, but what about Arcadia? That's where I am, and it sucks...unless
    > I'm willing to walk down the street a bit (which isn't always a good
    > option).


    Jack probably doesn't know, as he lives in Texas.

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  5. #20
    SMS
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    Re: VERY bad reception; what can be done?

    WCJ wrote:
    > Jack Zwick wrote:
    >>> > Cingular coverage in California is actually very good.

    >
    >>> Not according to anybody but you, Skippy.

    >
    >> In the Culver City area its infinitely better than Sprint.

    >
    > Great, but what about Arcadia? That's where I am, and it sucks...unless
    > I'm willing to walk down the street a bit (which isn't always a good
    > option).


    LOL, I remember when I had Cingular prior to the AT&T acquisition. The
    1900 Mhz coverage in my area is horrible (now it's T-Mobile). At night I
    would walk down the street, under a streetlight, to a place I had
    coverage, and be on long conference calls to Asia. I'd often be taking
    notes, and I can imagine that the neighbors thought that I was some kind
    of drug dealer.

    Five years later, the carrier (now T-Mobile) is still fighting to
    install a 1900 MHz tower in my neighborhood.



  6. #21
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: VERY bad reception; what can be done?

    SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    > LOL, I remember when I had Cingular prior to the AT&T acquisition. The
    > 1900 Mhz coverage in my area is horrible (now it's T-Mobile). At night I
    > would walk down the street, under a streetlight, to a place I had
    > coverage, and be on long conference calls to Asia. I'd often be taking
    > notes, and I can imagine that the neighbors thought that I was some kind
    > of drug dealer.
    >
    > Five years later, the carrier (now T-Mobile) is still fighting to
    > install a 1900 MHz tower in my neighborhood.


    Would your T-Mobile phone now roam onto 850MHz band coverage in that same
    area?

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    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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  7. #22
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: VERY bad reception; what can be done?

    Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
    > SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> LOL, I remember when I had Cingular prior to the AT&T acquisition. The
    >> 1900 Mhz coverage in my area is horrible (now it's T-Mobile). At night I
    >> would walk down the street, under a streetlight, to a place I had
    >> coverage, and be on long conference calls to Asia. I'd often be taking
    >> notes, and I can imagine that the neighbors thought that I was some kind
    >> of drug dealer.
    >>
    >> Five years later, the carrier (now T-Mobile) is still fighting to
    >> install a 1900 MHz tower in my neighborhood.

    >
    > Would your T-Mobile phone now roam onto 850MHz band coverage in that same
    > area?


    I guess, but not a T-Mobile prepaid.



  8. #23
    DecaturTxCowboy
    Guest

    Re: VERY bad reception; what can be done?

    John Navas wrote:
    > Cingular coverage in California is actually very good.


    Not according to many people here that have ACTUALLY experienced poor
    coverage.



  9. #24
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: VERY bad reception; what can be done?

    On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:41:32 GMT, DecaturTxCowboy <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >John Navas wrote:
    >> Cingular coverage in California is actually very good.

    >
    >Not according to many people here that have ACTUALLY experienced poor
    >coverage.


    We do seem to have more than our share of kooks.

    But at least we don't believe in beating up on other countries just
    because we can.



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  10. #25
    Jack Zwick
    Guest

    Re: VERY bad reception; what can be done?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    DecaturTxCowboy <[email protected]> wrote:

    > John Navas wrote:
    > > Cingular coverage in California is actually very good.

    >
    > Not according to many people here that have ACTUALLY experienced poor
    > coverage.


    Depends where you are. Whole state generalizations are a crock.



  11. #26
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: VERY bad reception; what can be done?

    On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 21:33:04 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote
    in <[email protected]>:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > DecaturTxCowboy <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> John Navas wrote:
    >> > Cingular coverage in California is actually very good.

    >>
    >> Not according to many people here that have ACTUALLY experienced poor
    >> coverage.

    >
    >Depends where you are. Whole state generalizations are a crock.


    True.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  12. #27
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: VERY bad reception; what can be done?

    Jack Zwick wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > DecaturTxCowboy <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> John Navas wrote:
    >>> Cingular coverage in California is actually very good.

    >> Not according to many people here that have ACTUALLY experienced poor
    >> coverage.

    >
    > Depends where you are. Whole state generalizations are a crock.


    It's true, but in California there are still are a lot of areas that are
    covered only by AMPS, and Cingular has no coverage in these areas. Now
    to be fair, Verizon's newer plans have drastically cut back on coverage
    as well. In fact, I just got a call from Verizon today, encouraging me
    to change to a newer plan and to obtain a new handset. I explained to
    the guy that I could not change plans because if I changed to the newer
    America's Choice plan, I'd give up a lot of coverage that I currently have.

    Sprint may actually have better coverage than Verizon now, because
    Sprint may not restrict AMPS roaming as much. But Cingular coverage is a
    distant third after Verizon and Sprint.



  13. #28
    Jack Zwick
    Guest

    Re: VERY bad reception; what can be done?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    SMS <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Sprint may actually have better coverage than Verizon now, because
    > Sprint may not restrict AMPS roaming as much. But Cingular coverage is a
    > distant third after Verizon and Sprint.


    Thats non-native Sprint coverage you're counting. Sprint roaming on
    other's AMPS.



  14. #29
    Eric Cartman
    Guest

    Re: VERY bad reception; what can be done?


    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 03:34:20 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
    > wrote in <[email protected]>:
    >
    >>Cingular service in California has improved since the AT&T acquisition,
    >>but it's still not great (see the February Consumer Reports). ...

    >
    > Cingular coverage in California is actually very good.


    Thats HORSE **** and you know it.....god damn "Shill" for
    ching-chingular.....

    To the original poster....get a Verizon phone, try it out for up to 14 days
    with a 100% moneyback guarentee....

    When you find that Verizon blows the doors off of Chingular....tell them
    they can have their equipment back and you will talk with the California PUC
    about the ****ty coverage. If it doesnt work in the city it's registered the
    PUC says...NO EARLY TERMINATION FEE. Tell them if they demand it, you will
    send it to the PUC...NOT Chingular.....

    Chingular SUCKS in Southern Calif......Always has..always will.....
    Verizon's 880Mhx CDMA system is FAR more robust in Los Angeles....






  15. #30
    DecaturTxCowboy
    Guest

    Re: VERY bad reception; what can be done?

    Sam wrote:
    > With Bellsouth/FastAccess, there are already capping DSL at 60% or 80%
    > lines. I'm at 80%.


    SBC Global traditionally caps their highest speed DSL at 1.5 Mbps,
    telecos like Sprint (Embarq) have a 1.5, 3 and 5 Mbps plans. By special
    order, you can get four bonded circuits like I have for a 20 Mbps
    connection. In the past, it was not uncommon for SWBell to simply cap
    problematic users with poor lines to keep them from getting dropped as
    often.

    Now are you saying that you had a 1.5 Mbps line and it now only runs at
    80% of that speed? That is mostly likely a line issues, not an arbitrary
    management decision.

    > So how can you be so sure they will not carry this
    > practice over to Cingular cell phone data operations as well?


    If that happens, they will have to balance the cost of customer support
    when users can't get the advertised speed like they used to versus the
    increased revenue of loading the cell site.

    > All
    > indications show that they will once this market reaches some capacity
    > level.


    What indications are you seeing?



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