Mandatory phone upgrade?

I thought I heard on the news that some cingular phones will have to be
upgraded. Does anyone know which phones are becoming obsolete? I have a
Nokia 6340i Gait phone that handles GSM and TDMA. I would get a straight
GSM phone if it gave me the same coverage as I now have with the gait phone.
Also, I may not be able to get the same cost plan if I go GSM alone. Any
thoughts about this? Charles Ranheim

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cranheim wrote:
> I thought I heard on the news that some cingular phones will have to be
> upgraded. Does anyone know which phones are becoming obsolete? I have a
> Nokia 6340i Gait phone that handles GSM and TDMA. I would get a straight
> GSM phone if it gave me the same coverage as I now have with the gait phone.

Huh? How do you expect to get the same coverage without AMPS, which has
an order of magnitude greater geographic coverage than GSM.

On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 19:06:54 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>cranheim wrote:
>> I thought I heard on the news that some cingular phones will have to be
>> upgraded. Does anyone know which phones are becoming obsolete? I have a
>> Nokia 6340i Gait phone that handles GSM and TDMA. I would get a straight
>> GSM phone if it gave me the same coverage as I now have with the gait phone.
>
>Huh? How do you expect to get the same coverage without AMPS, which has
>an order of magnitude greater geographic coverage than GSM.

Not true.

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On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 01:37:28 GMT, "cranheim"
<[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>I thought I heard on the news that some cingular phones will have to be
>upgraded. Does anyone know which phones are becoming obsolete? I have a
>Nokia 6340i Gait phone that handles GSM and TDMA. I would get a straight
>GSM phone if it gave me the same coverage as I now have with the gait phone.
>Also, I may not be able to get the same cost plan if I go GSM alone. Any
>thoughts about this? Charles Ranheim

Your 6340i does not have to be upgraded -- it provides full GSM
coverage, in the USA and in other countries.

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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 19:06:54 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
> wrote in <[email protected]>:
>
>>cranheim wrote:
>>> I thought I heard on the news that some cingular phones will have to be
>>> upgraded. Does anyone know which phones are becoming obsolete? I have a
>>> Nokia 6340i Gait phone that handles GSM and TDMA. I would get a
>>> straight
>>> GSM phone if it gave me the same coverage as I now have with the gait
>>> phone.
>>
>>Huh? How do you expect to get the same coverage without AMPS, which has
>>an order of magnitude greater geographic coverage than GSM.
>
> Not true.
>

Very true and you know it.

Scott wrote:

>> Not true.
>>
>
> Very true and you know it.

What's interesting to me, is that if you believe the national maps,
Sprint has not eliminated a lot of AMPS roaming while Verizon has
reduced their AMPS roaming ability on the America's Choice II plan (you
can still use it for 911, and perhaps on the American Roaming Network,
but not for regular calls at regular roaming rates).

SMS wrote:
> Huh? How do you expect to get the same coverage without AMPS, which has
> an order of magnitude greater geographic coverage than GSM.

AMPS has ten times the coverage of GSM?

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On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 11:29:47 -0400, "St. John Smythe" <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>SMS wrote:

>> Huh? How do you expect to get the same coverage without AMPS, which has
>> an order of magnitude greater geographic coverage than GSM.
>
>AMPS has ten times the coverage of GSM?

AMPS only greater coverage (not ten times) with large high-power
equipment (e.g., bag phones), not with comparable small low-power
handsets.

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Scott wrote:
> "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 19:06:54 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
>> wrote in <[email protected]>:
>>
>>> cranheim wrote:
>>>> I thought I heard on the news that some cingular phones will have to be
>>>> upgraded. Does anyone know which phones are becoming obsolete? I have a
>>>> Nokia 6340i Gait phone that handles GSM and TDMA. I would get a
>>>> straight
>>>> GSM phone if it gave me the same coverage as I now have with the gait
>>>> phone.
>>> Huh? How do you expect to get the same coverage without AMPS, which has
>>> an order of magnitude greater geographic coverage than GSM.
>> Not true.
>>
>
> Very true and you know it.
>
>

Explain. I mean, why is it that you say the analogue system
provides more coverage? I have not noticed it in my home coverage area
as it seems everywhere there is/was an AMPS cell there was put a GSM
cell. I went fishing out in the middle of Lake Verret and had almost a
full signal.

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"WindsorFox[SS]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Scott wrote:
>> "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 19:06:54 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
>>> wrote in <[email protected]>:
>>>
>>>> cranheim wrote:
>>>>> I thought I heard on the news that some cingular phones will have to
>>>>> be
>>>>> upgraded. Does anyone know which phones are becoming obsolete? I have
>>>>> a
>>>>> Nokia 6340i Gait phone that handles GSM and TDMA. I would get a
>>>>> straight
>>>>> GSM phone if it gave me the same coverage as I now have with the gait
>>>>> phone.
>>>> Huh? How do you expect to get the same coverage without AMPS, which has
>>>> an order of magnitude greater geographic coverage than GSM.
>>> Not true.
>>>
>>
>> Very true and you know it.
>
> Explain. I mean, why is it that you say the analogue system provides
> more coverage? I have not noticed it in my home coverage area as it seems
> everywhere there is/was an AMPS cell there was put a GSM cell. I went
> fishing out in the middle of Lake Verret and had almost a full signal.

While providing good coverage in major metropolitan areas, there are vast
geographic areas of the country where GSM is not to be found, but AMPS can.
And don't go by Cingular's map- it does not differentiate the type of
coverage available- not everything on the map is GSM (far from it).

Even Cingular won't boast about their geographic coverage. Take a look at
the following statements from the Cingular website:

"The new Cingular Wireless offers the largest digital voice and data network
in the U.S., including service in all top 100 metropolitan areas."

Hell- Nextel was able to boast something like 196 of the top 200 markets on
arguably the smallest netwrok in the country- iDen.

"We offer our customers a nationwide GSM/GPRS footprint across 100 percent
of our service area."

Big deal- so does Sprint. But notice that they don't mention how expansive
the service area is?

"GSM is the world's most popular wireless phone technology used by more than
1 billion people in 200-plus countries around the world. GSM offers
customers unparalleled global roaming capabilities,"


at $2 a minute


"as well as the truest voice quality in wireless."

More fluff.

"We also maintain our TDMA network, which continues to provide high-quality
voice and data services."

Proof that they need to update the website.

I don't see them falling over themselves to claim any kind of geographic
mastery.






We also maintain our TDMA network, which continues to provide high-quality
voice and data services.


>
> --
>
> I used to have abs. Now, I've just got ab.
> One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com
>
> Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
> as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. - Cadbury
> Moose

In article <[email protected]>,
"Scott" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 19:06:54 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
> > wrote in <[email protected]>:
> >
> >>cranheim wrote:
> >>> I thought I heard on the news that some cingular phones will have to be
> >>> upgraded. Does anyone know which phones are becoming obsolete? I have a
> >>> Nokia 6340i Gait phone that handles GSM and TDMA. I would get a
> >>> straight
> >>> GSM phone if it gave me the same coverage as I now have with the gait
> >>> phone.
> >>
> >>Huh? How do you expect to get the same coverage without AMPS, which has
> >>an order of magnitude greater geographic coverage than GSM.
> >
> > Not true.
> >
>
> Very true and you know it.

A lot depends on where you are and what your need is. I have friends
who do off road dirt biking on forest service roads and trails around
Eagle Lake and Holster Hills for example. Both areas have excellent
AMPS service and zero GSM service. They always carry an AMPS phone for
emergency use as GSM is useless once you leave the beaten path.

The argument that GSM is as good or better than AMPS might be true as
long as the provider sees fit to provide the GSM service. The argument
become moot in areas where AMPS is the only service available and the
provider can't justify the cost for new GSM towers for very few
customers. If AMPS goes away the result will be NO service at all for
many areas that currently HAVE service -- that's an improvement?

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On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:44:07 -0600, "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>"WindsorFox[SS]" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>> Explain. I mean, why is it that you say the analogue system provides
>> more coverage? I have not noticed it in my home coverage area as it seems
>> everywhere there is/was an AMPS cell there was put a GSM cell. I went
>> fishing out in the middle of Lake Verret and had almost a full signal.
>
>While providing good coverage in major metropolitan areas, there are vast
>geographic areas of the country where GSM is not to be found, but AMPS can.
>And don't go by Cingular's map- it does not differentiate the type of
>coverage available- not everything on the map is GSM (far from it).

Actually it is:

>"We offer our customers a nationwide GSM/GPRS footprint across 100 percent
>of our service area."

>"We also maintain our TDMA network, which continues to provide high-quality
>voice and data services."
>
>Proof that they need to update the website.

No, because TDMA is still being maintained.

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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:44:07 -0600, "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in
> <[email protected]>:
>
>>"WindsorFox[SS]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>>> Explain. I mean, why is it that you say the analogue system provides
>>> more coverage? I have not noticed it in my home coverage area as it
>>> seems
>>> everywhere there is/was an AMPS cell there was put a GSM cell. I went
>>> fishing out in the middle of Lake Verret and had almost a full signal.
>>
>>While providing good coverage in major metropolitan areas, there are vast
>>geographic areas of the country where GSM is not to be found, but AMPS
>>can.
>>And don't go by Cingular's map- it does not differentiate the type of
>>coverage available- not everything on the map is GSM (far from it).
>
> Actually it is:
>
>>"We offer our customers a nationwide GSM/GPRS footprint across 100 percent
>>of our service area."
>
>>"We also maintain our TDMA network, which continues to provide
>>high-quality
>>voice and data services."
>>
>>Proof that they need to update the website.
>
> No, because TDMA is still being maintained.
>

I'll assume that your removal of my other points indicates that you are
incapable of arguing against them- you do that frequently.

On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:33:05 -0600, "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>I'll assume that your removal of my other points indicates that you are
>...

How childish. Assume whatever you want -- you do that no matter what
the facts -- I couldn't care less. I usually just ignore you, because
you rarely say anything substantive, and because you do such a good job
of discrediting yourself, but I reserve the right to jump in from time
to time when you actually have something substantive and misleading to
say, like commenting on a very, very bad B movie.

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On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 15:56:04 -0700, Ernie Klein <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>A lot depends on where you are and what your need is.

True.

>I have friends
>who do off road dirt biking on forest service roads and trails around
>Eagle Lake and Holster Hills for example. Both areas have excellent
>AMPS service and zero GSM service. They always carry an AMPS phone for
>emergency use as GSM is useless once you leave the beaten path.

For emergencies I carry either a satphone or a PLB, which are way better
than any cellular, AMPS included.

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