Cingular vs Tmobile

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:02:04 -0500, Ace587
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>if cingular has very good coverage where you live, then i say get
>cingular since GSM has better battery life compared to CDMA
>
>Battery Life: GSM > CDMA
>
>Reception: CDMA > GSM

All depends on the specific area and specific carriers -- around here,
GSM has both better battery life and better reception than CDMA2000.

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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> All depends on the specific area and specific carriers -- around here,
> GSM has both better battery life and better reception than CDMA2000.
>
Sorry- nothing but personal opinion in that statement. That is, unless you
have documented proof to back it up. I'll save you the time of coming up
with one of your typical responses to cover up- you have no proof.

[QUOTE=John Navas]On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:02:04 -0500, Ace587
<[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>if cingular has very good coverage where you live, then i say get
>cingular since GSM has better battery life compared to CDMA
>
>Battery Life: GSM > CDMA
>
>Reception: CDMA > GSM

All depends on the specific area and specific carriers -- around here,
GSM has both better battery life and better reception than CDMA2000.

I would specifically speak about the USA, CDMA has better reception here because CDMA is the native network of the US and its better established since its been longer than GSM itself. It has widespread coverage throughout the United States. As for battery life, the technology will speak for itself, if you would really do some research, CDMA is always on, compared to GSM. Therefore CDMA will consume more battery life compared to GSM.

The guy has established a point, it all depends on the specific area and specific carriers. If i live in Japan, CDMA will have better coverage than Vodafone GSM. If i live in the US, Verizon CDMA, will have much better coverage than Cingular GSM. Dont know if theres any CDMA in Europe, but since by law, GSM is a standard, Most of Europe will have better GSM coverage. So there's no absolute phone standard it would really depend, theres a lot of contributing factors. Hope this clears a lot of people.

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:37:04 -0500, Ace587
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>John Navas Wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:02:04 -0500, Ace587
>> <[email protected]> wrote in
>> <[email protected]>:
>>
>> >if cingular has very good coverage where you live, then i say get
>> >cingular since GSM has better battery life compared to CDMA
>> >
>> >Battery Life: GSM > CDMA
>> >
>> >Reception: CDMA > GSM
>>
>> All depends on the specific area and specific carriers -- around here,
>> GSM has both better battery life and better reception than CDMA2000.
>>
>> I would specifically speak about the USA, CDMA has better reception
>> here because CDMA is the native network of the US and its better
>> established since its been longer than GSM itself. It has widespread
>> coverage throughout the United States.

With all due respect, if there is a "native" (digital) network in the
USA it would have to be D-AMPS ("TDMA"), the digital successor to AMPS,
which predates CDMA2000. Because D-AMPS has now been migrated to GSM,
GSM inherits that longevity and coverage.

>> As for battery life, the
>> technology will speak for itself, if you would really do some research,
>> CDMA is always on, compared to GSM. Therefore CDMA will consume more
>> battery life compared to GSM.

Both technologies actually have multiple power modes that roughly
similar. Most important from a battery life standpoint, both have
transmit power control.

>> The guy has established a point, it all depends on the specific area
>> and specific carriers. If i live in Japan, CDMA will have better
>> coverage than Vodafone GSM. If i live in the US, Verizon CDMA, will
>> have much better coverage than Cingular GSM.

It actually doesn't.

GSM has better coverage than CDMA2000 in certain places in the USA, and
CDMA2000 has better coverage than GSM in certain other places. No valid
generalization can be made of one being better than the other. What
matters is coverage in areas you care about, which varies from place to
place and from person to person.

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Scott wrote:
> "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> All depends on the specific area and specific carriers -- around here,
>> GSM has both better battery life and better reception than CDMA2000.
>>
> Sorry- nothing but personal opinion in that statement. That is, unless you
> have documented proof to back it up. I'll save you the time of coming up
> with one of your typical responses to cover up- you have no proof.

He doesn't say where "around here" is. Certainly he's not referring to
the San Francisco Bay Area, where Verizon consistently is top-rated for
coverage, with Cingular a very, very distant second or third.

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:57:51 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>Scott wrote:
>> "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> All depends on the specific area and specific carriers -- around here,
>>> GSM has both better battery life and better reception than CDMA2000.
>>>
>> Sorry- nothing but personal opinion in that statement. That is, unless you
>> have documented proof to back it up. I'll save you the time of coming up
>> with one of your typical responses to cover up- you have no proof.
>
>He doesn't say where "around here" is. Certainly he's not referring to
>the San Francisco Bay Area, where Verizon consistently is top-rated for
>coverage, with Cingular a very, very distant second or third.

Cingular actually has arguably the best coverage of any carrier in the
San Francisco Bay Area, the result of melding the old ATTWS "blue"
network with free roaming on the old Cingular (now T-Mobile) "orange"
network, including the Tri-Valley part of the East Bay (my "here") where
Verizon is a distant 3rd.

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Ace587 wrote:
> if cingular has very good coverage where you live, then i say get
> cingular since GSM has better battery life compared to CDMA
>
> Battery Life: GSM > CDMA
>
> Reception: CDMA > GSM
>

Unless you are where I am. The CDMA coverage I had and that people I
know have totally blows compared to GSM.

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Scott wrote:
> "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> All depends on the specific area and specific carriers -- around here,
>> GSM has both better battery life and better reception than CDMA2000.
>>
> Sorry- nothing but personal opinion in that statement. That is, unless you
> have documented proof to back it up. I'll save you the time of coming up
> with one of your typical responses to cover up- you have no proof.
>
>


So, you want me to have the CDMA users in Baton Rouge send you a
notarized document telling you that as soon as the contract is up they
are bailing? Get real. I go by personal experience and what I experience
from others and in my area of Louisiana BellSouth/Cingular can not be
touched for coverage. I feel this is probably due to the fact that as
the local wire line company BLS was the first and most dominant carrier
for cellular in the area and they had a really big head start. The no 2
carrier Cellular One never came close to competing as far as coverage
before they went TU.

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I used to have abs. Now, I've just got ab.
One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com

Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
Cadbury Moose

"WindsorFox[SS]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Scott wrote:
>> "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> All depends on the specific area and specific carriers -- around here,
>>> GSM has both better battery life and better reception than CDMA2000.
>>>
>> Sorry- nothing but personal opinion in that statement. That is, unless
>> you have documented proof to back it up. I'll save you the time of
>> coming up with one of your typical responses to cover up- you have no
>> proof.
>
>
> So, you want me to have the CDMA users in Baton Rouge send you a
> notarized document telling you that as soon as the contract is up they are
> bailing?

What do contracts have to do with battery life or superior reception? You
should really start reading the entire post in context before jumping down
my throat- this is the second time this weekend that you have either
misrepresented or misread a post.


> Get real.

I'm very real- I don't partake of the Navas kool-aid like some of you seem
to be.

>I go by personal experience and what I experience from others and in my
>area of Louisiana BellSouth/Cingular can not be touched for coverage.

Not what is being discussed. Try again.

John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:02:04 -0500, Ace587
> <[email protected]> wrote in
> <[email protected]>:
>
>>if cingular has very good coverage where you live, then i say get
>>cingular since GSM has better battery life compared to CDMA
>>
>>Battery Life: GSM > CDMA
>>
>>Reception: CDMA > GSM
>
> All depends on the specific area and specific carriers -- around here,
> GSM has both better battery life and better reception than CDMA2000.
>

Of course it does. What CDMA2000 based phone do you carry around with you to
determine this? And what services do you test with?

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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:49:32 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
<[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:02:04 -0500, Ace587
>> <[email protected]> wrote in
>> <[email protected]>:
>>
>>>if cingular has very good coverage where you live, then i say get
>>>cingular since GSM has better battery life compared to CDMA
>>>
>>>Battery Life: GSM > CDMA
>>>
>>>Reception: CDMA > GSM
>>
>> All depends on the specific area and specific carriers -- around here,
>> GSM has both better battery life and better reception than CDMA2000.
>
>Of course it does. What CDMA2000 based phone do you carry around with you to
>determine this?

Several, including models by Samsung, LG, and Motorola

>And what services do you test with?

Sprint, Verizon and MetroPCS.

Since both GSM and CDMA2000 have transmit power control, what matters is
typical transmit power required, for which the best consumer-level
surrogate is typical signal strength. GSM comes out ahead of CDMA2000
around here primarily because GSM typically needs less transmit power
(has higher typical signal strength) than CDMA2000.

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Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>determine this?
>
> Several, including models by Samsung, LG, and Motorola
>
>>And what services do you test with?
>
> Sprint, Verizon and MetroPCS.
>

Curious ... what plans to you keep active [from a PRL perspective, this is an
issue].

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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:26:11 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
<[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>determine this?
>>
>> Several, including models by Samsung, LG, and Motorola
>>
>>>And what services do you test with?
>>
>> Sprint, Verizon and MetroPCS.
>
>Curious ... what plans to you keep active [from a PRL perspective, this is an
>issue].

My own service is with Cingular. I use temporary accounts on other
carriers for regular testing, as well as the accounts of family,
friends, and colleagues.

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John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:26:11 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
> <[email protected]> wrote in
> <[email protected]>:
>
>>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>determine this?
>>>
>>> Several, including models by Samsung, LG, and Motorola
>>>
>>>>And what services do you test with?
>>>
>>> Sprint, Verizon and MetroPCS.
>>
>>Curious ... what plans to you keep active [from a PRL perspective, this is an
>>issue].
>
> My own service is with Cingular. I use temporary accounts on other
> carriers for regular testing, as well as the accounts of family,
> friends, and colleagues.

Temporary accounts? I am curious to know more about those. As family and
friends, it seems your experience would be largely heresay or few and far
between as opposed to your native cingular, which I am sure is with you all
the time as your primary provider.

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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:21:06 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
<[email protected]> wrote in
<SW4Eg.34964$%[email protected]>:

>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:26:11 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
>> <[email protected]> wrote in
>> <[email protected]>:
>>
>>>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>determine this?
>>>>
>>>> Several, including models by Samsung, LG, and Motorola
>>>>
>>>>>And what services do you test with?
>>>>
>>>> Sprint, Verizon and MetroPCS.
>>>
>>>Curious ... what plans to you keep active [from a PRL perspective, this is an
>>>issue].
>>
>> My own service is with Cingular. I use temporary accounts on other
>> carriers for regular testing, as well as the accounts of family,
>> friends, and colleagues.
>
>Temporary accounts? I am curious to know more about those.

All carriers have free trial periods. I also get free accounts from
time to time for product evaluation purposes.

>As family and
>friends, it seems your experience would be largely heresay or few and far
>between as opposed to your native cingular, which I am sure is with you all
>the time as your primary provider.

It's direct personal experience; e.g., swapping mobile devices for a few
days.

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