Using Cingular 2125 as USB modem with Laptop...

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 01:29:32 GMT, DecaturTxCowboy <[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>John Navas wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:40:33 GMT, DecaturTxCowboy <[email protected]> wrote in
>> <BTNDg.5129$%[email protected]>:
>>
>>> John Navas wrote:
>>>> What I wrote is 100% correct:
>>>> <http://i8.tinypic.com/24gvkag.png>
>>>> <http://i8.tinypic.com/24gvm1t.png>
>>> Your pictures are not the same of what I see on my laptop, therefore you
>>> are NOT 100% correct.
>>
>> They are 100% correct for me. I didn't say they are 100% correct for
>> you. You apparently live in a different universe from the rest of us.
>
>I never said they were incorrect for you, I merely said they were
>incorrect for me, in my understanding that you implied your pictures
>should have been the same for everyone.

Nope. That was your unwarranted assumption.

>[SNIP childish insults]

Let me guess ... you're eight?

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On 13 Aug 2006 15:42:05 -0700, [email protected] wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>Guys.... If you go to www.cingular.com and go to Support for Devices
>link (from there drop down menus on the website) you can locate the
>support page for the Cingular 2125. On that page you'll find a link to
>the users manual for the 2125; it's a PDF file, open it.
>
>Browse to page 63, this is what it says in the manual.
>
>"With ModemLink you can use your phone as an external modem for another
>device such as a PDA or notebook computer."
>
>That's what the manual says, you can read it for yourselfs and I think
>it closes the case on that issue....

I disagree -- all it says is that the phone is able to do that. You
also need the necessary service from the carrier. Kind of like buying a
car that takes regular gas. Gas isn't included -- you have to buy that
separately.

>I don't know the technical details
>of how the 2125 makes this possible, I don't care... you may; great.

It's not technical -- it's the service -- and burying your head in the
sand isn't going to help, or make your case any more persuasive.

>What I do care about is the fact the Cingular failed to provide support
>on the issue...

Because you didn't buy the necessary service. Ford won't help either
when you run out of gas.

>... I
>believe they were negligent in providing reasonable support which they
>are obliganted to as they are 1. the device vendor and 2. my servive
>provider under contract.

You have no such service or contract.

>I'm not trying to "bust the system",

Then why aren't you signing up for the correct service?

>however I think all to often,
>corporations leverage their size to escape due prosectuion buy making
>the consumer feel they are too small to win... I'm not one of those
>people. If my attorney thinks the case is plausible it will probably
>only take a letter from him to get a reasonable settlement....

LOL

>You may think I'm being unrealistic,

I do.

>I think we should all expect a
>certain level of support from any service provider and should seek
>legal action when that's not rendered.

You're not paying for the support you're demanding, so you have no case
(IMnsHO at least).

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See in-line

John Navas wrote:
> >Browse to page 63, this is what it says in the manual.
> >
> >"With ModemLink you can use your phone as an external modem for another
> >device such as a PDA or notebook computer."
> >
> >That's what the manual says, you can read it for yourselfs and I think
> >it closes the case on that issue....
>
> I disagree -- all it says is that the phone is able to do that. You
> also need the necessary service from the carrier.


>From Cingular, there are only two types of data connect services
offered for Microsoft SmartPhone devices... One is a limited data
connect for $10/month the other is unlimited.... Aside for the time
restriction before minute-to-minute billing starts, there is no
difference between the services.... So the neccessary service from the
carrier in this case is Cingular's SmartPhone Unlimited data connect
-or- SmartPhone limited. I added the SmartPhone unlimited to my plan
prior to the support class....



> Kind of like buying a
> car that takes regular gas. Gas isn't included -- you have to buy that
> separately.
>


Sorry, I have to start the name calling now... Look Moron, The phone is
Cingular branded, it's designed to work with Cingular's network....
It's a GSM, the manual in question is a Cingular product manual, that
references Cingular dial-up codes.

To go with your analogy, it would be as if Exxon also manufactured cars
(or subcontracted their manufacturing if you want to look at HTC as the
true vendor, regardless the manual is Cingular branded). It would be as
if Exxon made a car that could not use their gas.


>...
> >You may think I'm being unrealistic,
>
> I do.
>
> >I think we should all expect a
> >certain level of support from any service provider and should seek
> >legal action when that's not rendered.
>
> You're not paying for the support you're demanding, so you have no case
> (IMnsHO at least).
>

Wrong again... I purchased the phone from Cingular, it's Cingular
branded... Who the **** else do you think is going to support it? HTC
manufactured the phone, in Asia it also goes by HTC Faraday, not in the
US. In the US HTC does not provide support for the phone... Cingular
does. Cingular is the US vendor for this phone..... Cingular is also
required to provide support for the service you are paying for
monthly.....


> --
> Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
> John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

Now see, here's where you're making your mistake. you are adding too
many variables to the argument which only leaves more room for Navas to
back pedal.

I think you pretty much had the last word *on that it works* when you
said you can dial up AOL's number and connect.

You need to educate yourself on Cingular's data connect plans....

http://onlinestorez.cingular.com/cel...tid=2206800007

Yeah, I see the little link that says "Laptop connect", guess what...
that doesn't apply to SmartPhone devices.... This was one of the
factors that helped in my decision to purchase a SmartPhone over
another model.

For those following along... Since I figured it out (with no help to
Cingular support) the Cingular 2125 and the 8125 can be used to link a
laptop to the web via USB or Bluetooth with no additional charges,
except for the Cingular SmartPhone Unlimited data plan... Just like
their phone support, their website does a pretty piss poor job
explaining what you will and wil not need with your new device, but
this is all.

John, it's seems to me that you have had no clue what you've been
talking about from the start of this thread. I originally came to this
ng to find answers... Combing some of the information already provided
I found a solution and posted that for others... I also posted my
rightful frustration at Cingular for not providing support for their
product (the phone) and their service (in this case SmartPhone
unlimited data connect)... I feel your replies have only served to
confuse users who might otherwise find this thread useful and I don't
understand your motivation.... I apologize for calling you a moron, but
I have a short fuse and you've really managed to get under my skin (if
that was your aim, good for you).

I think you are trying to be good-willed, you just seem uninformed.
This thread is done.




John Navas wrote:
> On 13 Aug 2006 15:42:05 -0700, [email protected] wrote in
> <[email protected]>:
>
> >Guys.... If you go to www.cingular.com and go to Support for Devices
> >link (from there drop down menus on the website) you can locate the
> >support page for the Cingular 2125. On that page you'll find a link to
> >the users manual for the 2125; it's a PDF file, open it.
> >
> >Browse to page 63, this is what it says in the manual.
> >
> >"With ModemLink you can use your phone as an external modem for another
> >device such as a PDA or notebook computer."
> >
> >That's what the manual says, you can read it for yourselfs and I think
> >it closes the case on that issue....
>
> I disagree -- all it says is that the phone is able to do that. You
> also need the necessary service from the carrier. Kind of like buying a
> car that takes regular gas. Gas isn't included -- you have to buy that
> separately.
>
> >I don't know the technical details
> >of how the 2125 makes this possible, I don't care... you may; great.
>
> It's not technical -- it's the service -- and burying your head in the
> sand isn't going to help, or make your case any more persuasive.
>
> >What I do care about is the fact the Cingular failed to provide support
> >on the issue...
>
> Because you didn't buy the necessary service. Ford won't help either
> when you run out of gas.
>
> >... I
> >believe they were negligent in providing reasonable support which they
> >are obliganted to as they are 1. the device vendor and 2. my servive
> >provider under contract.
>
> You have no such service or contract.
>
> >I'm not trying to "bust the system",
>
> Then why aren't you signing up for the correct service?
>
> >however I think all to often,
> >corporations leverage their size to escape due prosectuion buy making
> >the consumer feel they are too small to win... I'm not one of those
> >people. If my attorney thinks the case is plausible it will probably
> >only take a letter from him to get a reasonable settlement....
>
> LOL
>
> >You may think I'm being unrealistic,
>
> I do.
>
> >I think we should all expect a
> >certain level of support from any service provider and should seek
> >legal action when that's not rendered.
>
> You're not paying for the support you're demanding, so you have no case
> (IMnsHO at least).
>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
> John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

John seems good-willed just unfortunately misinformed..... I did come
here to get in an argument, I came here to find a solution... I found
one and posted the response....

John incorrectly assumed (and stated as fact) that I was not asking
Cingular the right question and that Cingular wasn't responsible to
provide me with support for a service I wasn't paying for.... When in
fact I was and John just had no clue about what was all covered under
the SmartPhone data connect... To be fair how could he, the Cingular
website does a poor job of explaining.

John also lashed out for my demand for Cingular to support the phone
(their phone in this case) and for my venting over Cingular not being
able to provide support for a service he claimed I wasn't paying
for....

I don't fly off the handle easy.... I don't go trying to pick a fight
with big corporations... However, I'm not afraid to threaten a lawsuit
when there is a case. When justified I seek compensation for damamges
due and I have never lost a battle (have once twice before, once with
the power company when they wrongfully shut off my power, I've never
had to have one go to court either, they always settle when they know
they're made a mistake and in this case I really think they have.

The problem may have been that I got two support staff who were just
not qualified, maybe it was my unlucky night... Regardless, I paid for
the phone (around $280 out of pocket) technical support is included
with the phone, this is stated in the QuickStart guide... I've been a
Cingular customer for years.... the day before I purchased the phone, I
added the SmartPhone unlimited data connect to the phone and it was
explained to me that this covered laptop internet connectivity by the
sells rep.... He was right, but Cingular failed to provide support for
this service.

I don't understand why John seems to be defending Cingular and
attacking me. I've only lashed back at him because he's providing
incorrect information.






DecaturTxCowboy wrote:
> Now see, here's where you're making your mistake. you are adding too
> many variables to the argument which only leaves more room for Navas to
> back pedal.
>
> I think you pretty much had the last word *on that it works* when you
> said you can dial up AOL's number and connect.

[email protected] wrote:
> John, it's seems to me that you have had no clue what you've been
> talking about from the start of this thread.

[GASP] What was your first clue?

> I feel your replies have only served to
> confuse users who might otherwise find this thread useful

Its called offering information that is so vague, it allows for back
pedaling.

> and I don't understand your motivation

None of us do.

At 13 Aug 2006 17:55:40 -0700 [email protected] wrote:
> John,
>
> First John, you are incorrect because the device can work as a modem,
> after I got past my support issue this has been proven..
Yes and no- your 2125 can work as a modem in one of two ways- either in
GPRS (EDGE) with Cingular's data network or CSD ("dial-up" like when you
log on AOL or a third-party ISP).

To use GPRS, you obviously need a data plan (or pay by the kb) to use
Cingular's network.

To use it with AOL/other ISPs via CSD, you need Cingular's "help" (see
below)...

> You've spent
> quite a bit of time debating this issue, so I encourage you to take a
> look at the Cingular 2125 Users Manual where you will see that the
> device not only can be used as Modem to connect via EDGE but also to
> any dial-up ISP....

Yes and no... John is actually right here as well. The phone doesn't
actually have a modem per se- to use the phone as a dial-up modem, it
sends and receives data packets to/from your cellular carrier who uses a
standard modem at their facilities to make the actual modem connection
for you. In other words, the carrier must be a willing participant in
the connection, or there will be no actual analog modem at the carrier's
"HQ" for you to connect with. Not all carriers support CSD connections-
for example, in the days before Cingular bought AT&T Wireless, AT&T's GSM
service did NOT allow CSD connections- they wanted you using their
"mLife" GPRS service at $10-20/MB and not your own ISP with your free
nights and weekends. You could "dial" your built-in modem until you were
the AT&T logo's shade of blue in the face and it would never connect to
AOL or any other ISP.

> This is stated in the user manual and once you
> figure it out, it works fine with Cingular's Unlimited SmartPhone data
> connect package (which cost a very reasonable $20/month)
What works with data connect? Your dial-up ISP or Cingular GPRS/EDGE?
In theory, CSD should work without a GPRS data package if Cingular
provisions it correctly on your account. CSD uses airtime ("voice"
minutes), not data connection charges for billing, and connects at a
comparitively pathetic 9.6k or 14.4kbps (I forget which Cingular uses- in
the old TDMA days it was 14.4k, T-Mobile, my current GSM provider uses
9.6k CSD.)

You certainly are not "dialing" AOL or another third-party ISP at EDGE
speeds. (Although your tethered laptop might report a high connection
speed because it may report the speed the laptop is connected to the
2125, not the speed the 2125 is connected to your ISP. My laptop tells me,
for example, I'm connected at 230k when I connect my phone but any
speedtest site will show a 7-8k throughput on a CSD connection, and about
60-90k on EDGE.

> You don't
> need any other service and in fact this service covers it just fine...
> which also means Cingular should support it without hassel.
>
No, in fact, IIRC, Cingular reserves the right to cancel your smartphone
plan if you use it in GPRS mode for tethering, and, before you ask, yes,
they can tell if you tether...
They shouldn't bother you if you tether in CSD mode- they're your
minutes you're burning anyway, and at 9.6-14.4k no one's going to use it
for very long before giving up in frustration anyway!

> I think you need to read up on Microsoft SmartPhone Mobile 5.0 which is
> the "OS" firmware inside the Cingular 2125 SmartPhone as well as the
> Cingular 8125 PDA/Phone.

I have a T-Mobile MDA, which, like the 8125, is a rebranded HTC Wizard.
I've been using Windows Mobile devices on cellular systems ever since I
tethered my Casio E-115 Pocket PC to a Nokia 7160 on Cingular's TDMA
network six years ago.

> The Cingular 8125 is the most advance
> Phone/PDA hybrid Cingular offers, the 2125 is a close second.
>
Sadly, both are hampered by the WM 5.0 OS, a big performance downgrade
from WM2003, but that's a topic for a different thread! ;-)

> I won't debate what you're saying may have been true at one time, but
> aparently with these devices that is not the case.

No, John is completely correct. Other than the addition of enhanced GPRS
(EDGE), the 8125 has no magical modem connection properties that
Cingular's earlier HP 6325, Audiovox SMT5600, or even AT&T's old SX-56 or
Audiovox 4100 PDAs had. (Ironically both AT&T devices had "built-in
modems" just like the 2125 that couldn't connect dial-up ISPs when on
AT&T's own network because of the lack of CSD support!)

If you use your 2125 with a carrier that doesn't support CSD, like some
of the smaller GSM roaming partners Cingular uses, it will lose it's
"built-in modem" immediately.

The "modem" is, in cellphone parlance, a "carrier dependent feature."
The "modem" in my MDA has stopped working in parts of Kansas and Nebraska
for example, when I've roamed on rural carriers. (Interstingly, in some
parts of Nebraska I've had to manually select one roaming company over
another, because one supported CSD calls and the other did not. If the
modem in my MDA actually was a true feature of the MDA, it wouldn't work
with some carrier's service and refuse to work on others.

Another example, while T-Mobile supports (allows) CSD calls on most
accounts, they do not support faxing, so even though my MDA's "modem"
supports faxing, it will not send or receive fax calls on T-Mobile
(unless I subscribe to T-Mobile's "business CSD" service at $9.99/month).
If my MDA had this faxing ability 100% "built-in" on it's own, it should
work period. Heck, I used to be able to faxes through my ancient Nokia
7160 TDMA phone because Cingular allowed such calls (in exchange for an
extra $3.99/month!)

Pardon any typos in this post- I'm sending it via my MDA and it's hard
to proof a post this size on a tiny screen!


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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> It can be used as a modem to dial into any dial-up ISP.... I've tried
> my AOL account using a local number... From an end users perspective it
> works in exactly the same way as a modem in that it allows you to dial
> into ISP that are accessible though land line dial ups.... The
> technicals details of how that's done over GSM network are beyond what
> the average end user needs to know.
>
Whoa stop backup. If you can dial using a real phone number into a real
modem it means SmartPhone Connect has routed the call thru Cingular's
IWU--in other words: it means ***CSD IS INCLUDED IN SMARTPHONE
CONNECT***. Some have sworn it's included in MediaNet and some have
argued it wasn't.

Did you notice if those AOL calls were VERY SLOW, as in 9600 to 14400.
They should have been. And they most likely came out of your minutes
not out of the GPRS bitbucket.

Makes me think that the ones that said CSD is included with MediaNet
were correct all along. I'm tempted to try one of them--but I'd have to
delete CSD to be sure--and as much hassle I had getting it set up the
last time I'm not sure it's worth it.
--
Jud
Dallas TX USA

On 13 Aug 2006 19:54:16 -0700, [email protected] wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>John Navas wrote:

>> I disagree -- all it says is that the phone is able to do that. You
>> also need the necessary service from the carrier.
>
>From Cingular, there are only two types of data connect services
>offered for Microsoft SmartPhone devices... One is a limited data
>connect for $10/month the other is unlimited.... [SNIP]

There are actually 4 SmartPhone packages listed at
<http://cingular.com/sbusiness/data_connect>, and they are intended for
phone use only. LaptopConnect is intended for "tethered" use. Clearly
stated.

>> Kind of like buying a
>> car that takes regular gas. Gas isn't included -- you have to buy that
>> separately.
>
>Sorry, I have to start the name calling now... Look Moron, [SNIP]

End of "discussion." Think/say whatever you want -- I no longer care.

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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 04:48:45 GMT, Jud Hardcastle
<[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>>
>> It can be used as a modem to dial into any dial-up ISP.... I've tried
>> my AOL account using a local number... From an end users perspective it
>> works in exactly the same way as a modem in that it allows you to dial
>> into ISP that are accessible though land line dial ups.... The
>> technicals details of how that's done over GSM network are beyond what
>> the average end user needs to know.
>>
>Whoa stop backup. If you can dial using a real phone number into a real
>modem it means SmartPhone Connect has routed the call thru Cingular's
>IWU--in other words: it means ***CSD IS INCLUDED IN SMARTPHONE
>CONNECT***. Some have sworn it's included in MediaNet and some have
>argued it wasn't.
>
>Did you notice if those AOL calls were VERY SLOW, as in 9600 to 14400.
>They should have been. And they most likely came out of your minutes
>not out of the GPRS bitbucket.
>
>Makes me think that the ones that said CSD is included with MediaNet
>were correct all along. I'm tempted to try one of them--but I'd have to
>delete CSD to be sure--and as much hassle I had getting it set up the
>last time I'm not sure it's worth it.

I'm pretty sure that CSD is no longer included in MEdia Net -- it used
to work for me, but disappeared from my account some time ago.

--
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 04:48:45 GMT, Jud Hardcastle
<[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>>
>> It can be used as a modem to dial into any dial-up ISP.... I've tried
>> my AOL account using a local number... From an end users perspective it
>> works in exactly the same way as a modem in that it allows you to dial
>> into ISP that are accessible though land line dial ups.... The
>> technicals details of how that's done over GSM network are beyond what
>> the average end user needs to know.
>>
>Whoa stop backup. If you can dial using a real phone number into a real
>modem it means SmartPhone Connect has routed the call thru Cingular's
>IWU--in other words: it means ***CSD IS INCLUDED IN SMARTPHONE
>CONNECT***. Some have sworn it's included in MediaNet and some have
>argued it wasn't.
>
>Did you notice if those AOL calls were VERY SLOW, as in 9600 to 14400.
>They should have been. And they most likely came out of your minutes
>not out of the GPRS bitbucket.
>
>Makes me think that the ones that said CSD is included with MediaNet
>were correct all along. I'm tempted to try one of them--but I'd have to
>delete CSD to be sure--and as much hassle I had getting it set up the
>last time I'm not sure it's worth it.

p.s. SmartPhone Connect appears to be a form of DataConnect, not MEdia
Net.

--
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John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

Thanks for the lengthy reply.... I haven't gotten my bill yet.... i
haven't been disconnected yet either..... Two people in this newsgroup
(yourself and John) say that the provider will terminate the service if
they catch you using the device in this way.....

Only problem with that is, it's in the manual..... If you go to
www.cingular.com and download the product manual (which has Cingular's
logo on it) detailed instructions for connecting to their network in
this way are included.

To be fair, they leave out the username and password... and it states
"you may not need a username and password", which may mean Cingular
needs to set something else up.

The problem with that reasoning is that the username and passwords
everyone is using are widely available in this ng... on cingular's
message boards. They've been out there for a while, Cingular could
easily change them.... Granted, they could also charge you for the
minutes or terminate your account altogeather.

Sadest part is no from Cingular will give you a solid answer.... So
I'll just keep rolling those device.

Also Scoble blogged on it using the device in this way though
Cingular.. You probably don't know who this guy is, he a well known in
desktop and web Software Engineering circles, one of the former
big-shots at Microsoft, here's the link.

http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006...hone-as-modem/

I don't see any talk of people being terminated..... and if it weren't
legit, Scoble wouldn't have blogged on it, he has a certain level of
integrity to uphold at least in his blog (don't know him
personally)....

Cingular won't confirm anything.... So I'm going to go with what's
provided in their product manual on this one, but won't argue with the
technicial information you've provided. I don't know if it's true or
not, it makes since it sounds like you know what you're talking about.




Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 13 Aug 2006 17:55:40 -0700 [email protected] wrote:
> > John,
> >
> > First John, you are incorrect because the device can work as a modem,
> > after I got past my support issue this has been proven..
> Yes and no- your 2125 can work as a modem in one of two ways- either in
> GPRS (EDGE) with Cingular's data network or CSD ("dial-up" like when you
> log on AOL or a third-party ISP).
>
> To use GPRS, you obviously need a data plan (or pay by the kb) to use
> Cingular's network.
>
> To use it with AOL/other ISPs via CSD, you need Cingular's "help" (see
> below)...
>
> > You've spent
> > quite a bit of time debating this issue, so I encourage you to take a
> > look at the Cingular 2125 Users Manual where you will see that the
> > device not only can be used as Modem to connect via EDGE but also to
> > any dial-up ISP....
>
> Yes and no... John is actually right here as well. The phone doesn't
> actually have a modem per se- to use the phone as a dial-up modem, it
> sends and receives data packets to/from your cellular carrier who uses a
> standard modem at their facilities to make the actual modem connection
> for you. In other words, the carrier must be a willing participant in
> the connection, or there will be no actual analog modem at the carrier's
> "HQ" for you to connect with. Not all carriers support CSD connections-
> for example, in the days before Cingular bought AT&T Wireless, AT&T's GSM
> service did NOT allow CSD connections- they wanted you using their
> "mLife" GPRS service at $10-20/MB and not your own ISP with your free
> nights and weekends. You could "dial" your built-in modem until you were
> the AT&T logo's shade of blue in the face and it would never connect to
> AOL or any other ISP.
>
> > This is stated in the user manual and once you
> > figure it out, it works fine with Cingular's Unlimited SmartPhone data
> > connect package (which cost a very reasonable $20/month)
> What works with data connect? Your dial-up ISP or Cingular GPRS/EDGE?
> In theory, CSD should work without a GPRS data package if Cingular
> provisions it correctly on your account. CSD uses airtime ("voice"
> minutes), not data connection charges for billing, and connects at a
> comparitively pathetic 9.6k or 14.4kbps (I forget which Cingular uses- in
> the old TDMA days it was 14.4k, T-Mobile, my current GSM provider uses
> 9.6k CSD.)
>
> You certainly are not "dialing" AOL or another third-party ISP at EDGE
> speeds. (Although your tethered laptop might report a high connection
> speed because it may report the speed the laptop is connected to the
> 2125, not the speed the 2125 is connected to your ISP. My laptop tells me,
> for example, I'm connected at 230k when I connect my phone but any
> speedtest site will show a 7-8k throughput on a CSD connection, and about
> 60-90k on EDGE.
>
> > You don't
> > need any other service and in fact this service covers it just fine...
> > which also means Cingular should support it without hassel.
> >
> No, in fact, IIRC, Cingular reserves the right to cancel your smartphone
> plan if you use it in GPRS mode for tethering, and, before you ask, yes,
> they can tell if you tether...
> They shouldn't bother you if you tether in CSD mode- they're your
> minutes you're burning anyway, and at 9.6-14.4k no one's going to use it
> for very long before giving up in frustration anyway!
>
> > I think you need to read up on Microsoft SmartPhone Mobile 5.0 which is
> > the "OS" firmware inside the Cingular 2125 SmartPhone as well as the
> > Cingular 8125 PDA/Phone.
>
> I have a T-Mobile MDA, which, like the 8125, is a rebranded HTC Wizard.
> I've been using Windows Mobile devices on cellular systems ever since I
> tethered my Casio E-115 Pocket PC to a Nokia 7160 on Cingular's TDMA
> network six years ago.
>
> > The Cingular 8125 is the most advance
> > Phone/PDA hybrid Cingular offers, the 2125 is a close second.
> >
> Sadly, both are hampered by the WM 5.0 OS, a big performance downgrade
> from WM2003, but that's a topic for a different thread! ;-)
>
> > I won't debate what you're saying may have been true at one time, but
> > aparently with these devices that is not the case.
>
> No, John is completely correct. Other than the addition of enhanced GPRS
> (EDGE), the 8125 has no magical modem connection properties that
> Cingular's earlier HP 6325, Audiovox SMT5600, or even AT&T's old SX-56 or
> Audiovox 4100 PDAs had. (Ironically both AT&T devices had "built-in
> modems" just like the 2125 that couldn't connect dial-up ISPs when on
> AT&T's own network because of the lack of CSD support!)
>
> If you use your 2125 with a carrier that doesn't support CSD, like some
> of the smaller GSM roaming partners Cingular uses, it will lose it's
> "built-in modem" immediately.
>
> The "modem" is, in cellphone parlance, a "carrier dependent feature."
> The "modem" in my MDA has stopped working in parts of Kansas and Nebraska
> for example, when I've roamed on rural carriers. (Interstingly, in some
> parts of Nebraska I've had to manually select one roaming company over
> another, because one supported CSD calls and the other did not. If the
> modem in my MDA actually was a true feature of the MDA, it wouldn't work
> with some carrier's service and refuse to work on others.
>
> Another example, while T-Mobile supports (allows) CSD calls on most
> accounts, they do not support faxing, so even though my MDA's "modem"
> supports faxing, it will not send or receive fax calls on T-Mobile
> (unless I subscribe to T-Mobile's "business CSD" service at $9.99/month).
> If my MDA had this faxing ability 100% "built-in" on it's own, it should
> work period. Heck, I used to be able to faxes through my ancient Nokia
> 7160 TDMA phone because Cingular allowed such calls (in exchange for an
> extra $3.99/month!)
>
> Pardon any typos in this post- I'm sending it via my MDA and it's hard
> to proof a post this size on a tiny screen!
>
>
> --
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John, if you'll take another look on the link you have provided here,
scroll down you'll notice that under Blackberry there is a tethered
option, you'll also observe different pricing structures for each of
these devices...

There is no tethered option for SmartPhone devices and again, a sales
clerk at Cingular told me they were an exception to the rule... other
blog post on the Internet seem to imply this is true, some state you
stand to be billed by the download quality.

I do see that the pricing structure for laptop connect also says "or
tethered device".

But that brings the question of why there isn't a seperate item for it
under the "SmartPhones" group for tethering..... I believe the answer
is because you can use it in this way without paying for tethering
service.

Do you have a SmartPhone or know anyone personally who has had their
service terminated due to using a SmartPhone in this way? Be honest.




John Navas wrote:
> On 13 Aug 2006 19:54:16 -0700, [email protected] wrote in
> <[email protected]>:
>
> >John Navas wrote:
>
> >> I disagree -- all it says is that the phone is able to do that. You
> >> also need the necessary service from the carrier.
> >
> >From Cingular, there are only two types of data connect services
> >offered for Microsoft SmartPhone devices... One is a limited data
> >connect for $10/month the other is unlimited.... [SNIP]
>
> There are actually 4 SmartPhone packages listed at
> <http://cingular.com/sbusiness/data_connect>, and they are intended for
> phone use only. LaptopConnect is intended for "tethered" use. Clearly
> stated.
>
> >> Kind of like buying a
> >> car that takes regular gas. Gas isn't included -- you have to buy that
> >> separately.
> >
> >Sorry, I have to start the name calling now... Look Moron, [SNIP]
>
> End of "discussion." Think/say whatever you want -- I no longer care.
>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
> John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 13 Aug 2006 19:54:16 -0700, [email protected] wrote in
> <[email protected]>:
>
>>John Navas wrote:
>
>>> I disagree -- all it says is that the phone is able to do that. You
>>> also need the necessary service from the carrier.
>>
>>From Cingular, there are only two types of data connect services
>>offered for Microsoft SmartPhone devices... One is a limited data
>>connect for $10/month the other is unlimited.... [SNIP]
>
> There are actually 4 SmartPhone packages listed at
> <http://cingular.com/sbusiness/data_connect>, and they are intended for
> phone use only. LaptopConnect is intended for "tethered" use. Clearly
> stated.
>
>>> Kind of like buying a
>>> car that takes regular gas. Gas isn't included -- you have to buy that
>>> separately.
>>
>>Sorry, I have to start the name calling now... Look Moron, [SNIP]
>
> End of "discussion." Think/say whatever you want -- .
>

Transalation- Johnnie is taking his ball and going home. He doesn't want
to play anymore.


> I no longer care.

MAny of us have been saying the same thing about you.