Using Cingular 2125 as USB modem with Laptop...

At 13 Aug 2006 22:50:08 -0700 [email protected] wrote:
> Thanks for the lengthy reply.... I haven't gotten my bill yet.... i
> haven't been disconnected yet either..... Two people in this newsgroup
> (yourself and John) say that the provider will terminate the service if
> they catch you using the device in this way.....

Naaah, I only say "they reserve the right to." Personally, I think if
you don't abuse it, they'll look the other way. They'll terminate the
guy who tries to use it as his full time internet connection downloading
gigs a month, not the guy who jumps online for a half-hour when stuck at
the airport...
>
>
> Only problem with that is, it's in the manual..... If you go to
> www.cingular.com and download the product manual (which has Cingular's
> logo on it) detailed instructions for connecting to their network in
> this way are included.

That's a thin argument. The phone is capable of a technical ability, but
it's up to Cingular how to charge for it. The manual tells you how to
make voice calls too- but doesn't tell you what the rate plans cost.>

> To be fair, they leave out the username and password... and it states
> "you may not need a username and password", which may mean Cingular
> needs to set something else up.

No, it means HTC wrote the manual and didn't know which carriers use
passwords! ;-) T-Mo, my provider, for example, doesn't use passwords.
>
> The problem with that reasoning is that the username and passwords
> everyone is using are widely available in this ng... on cingular's
> message boards. They've been out there for a while, Cingular could
> easily change them.... Granted, they could also charge you for the
> minutes or terminate your account altogeather.
>
> Sadest part is no from Cingular will give you a solid answer.... So
> I'll just keep rolling those device.

Cingular doesn't manufacture phones, they offer service. The conflicting
answers come from what they allow as policy vs. what the devices are
technically capable of.
>
> Also Scoble blogged on it using the device in this way though
> Cingular.. You probably don't know who this guy is, he a well known in
> desktop and web Software Engineering circles, one of the former
> big-shots at Microsoft, here's the link.
>
> http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006...-new-cingular-
phone-as-modem/
>
> I don't see any talk of people being terminated..... and if it weren't
> legit, Scoble wouldn't have blogged on it, he has a certain level of
> integrity to uphold at least in his blog (don't know him
> personally)....

Again, technical vs. policy. I use an "unsupported plan" on my MDA- a
$5/month data plan intended to be used with wap-browsers on non-
smartphones. However, T-Mo doesn't threaten you with cancellation- they
just don't support it.
>
> Cingular won't confirm anything.... So I'm going to go with what's
> provided in their product manual on this one, but won't argue with the
> technicial information you've provided. I don't know if it's true or
> not, it makes since it sounds like you know what you're talking about.
>
No specific industry expertese, just years of being a user. (I was a
Cingular dealer a long time ago, but got out long before the transition
to GSM)...>
>

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[email protected] says...
>

> But that brings the question of why there isn't a seperate item for it
> under the "SmartPhones" group for tethering..... I believe the answer
> is because you can use it in this way without paying for tethering
> service.
>
More likely is that the rate-setting group at Cingular lumped the 2125
in with the other smartphones without realizing it was even capable of
being tethered or capable of installing and running major applications.
You can bet it's a totally different group than the people doing the
guide/manuals etc. Smartphone to them means the older models like the
Audiovox 5600--were ANY of the pre-WM5 Smartphones tetherable? I suspect
the 2125 and other upcoming WM5SP models will get moved to the pda
category as soon as that dept at Cingular realizes what it is capable
of.
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[email protected] wrote:
> "With ModemLink you can use your phone as an external modem for another
> device such as a PDA or notebook computer."

That would be the CSD dialup modem, that's an optional feature, that
someone suggests might be part of the Smartphone package, but you haven't
confirmed that.

> That's what the manual says, you can read it for yourselfs and I think
> it closes the case on that issue.... I don't know the technical details
> of how the 2125 makes this possible, I don't care... you may; great.

You don't care that what you are are calling a "modem" is two drastically
different functions.

Tethering to the internet is well known to work. Cingular is notably
ignorant in helping people hook this up, although sales people are happy to
sell the phones, MEdiaNet and cables to almost any phone user.

Actual dialing, like sending a fax, or connecting to some dialup modem, is
not well known to work. The features exist in the phone, and Cingular used
to happily support it. It doesn't seem to be readily available.

Can you fax? Can you cause your modem to dial a regular phone, like the
one in your home?

> Cingular failed to provide support...

They certainly have. For many people. some of whom post here and get
answers about tethering their device for internet access.

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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:28:48 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>Tethering to the internet is well known to work. Cingular is notably
>ignorant in helping people hook this up, although sales people are happy to
>sell the phones, MEdiaNet and cables to almost any phone user.

I respectfully disagree. Cingular provides software (Connection
Manager) that makes it pretty much a no brainer _if_ you: (1) have a
supported mobile device; (2) have an appropriate DataConnect package;
and (3) use the Cingular software. I don't think Cingular is obligated
to support anything else. In addition, Cingular provides a wealth of
technical information as well as forums where support and help are
readily available.

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[email protected] wrote:
> Thanks for the lengthy reply.... I haven't gotten my bill yet.... i
> haven't been disconnected yet either..... Two people in this newsgroup
> (yourself and John) say that the provider will terminate the service if
> they catch you using the device in this way.....

You should be able to go online and see the minutes and KB of data used,
within a day or two of the usage. www.cingular.com my account.
It would be good to visit the features page and save a copy of that, with
the date. Some folks have had unlimited data plans mysteriously disappear.

> To be fair, they leave out the username and password... and it states
> "you may not need a username and password", which may mean Cingular
> needs to set something else up.

> The problem with that reasoning is that the username and passwords
> everyone is using are widely available in this ng... on cingular's
> message boards. They've been out there for a while, Cingular could
> easily change them.... Granted, they could also charge you for the
> minutes or terminate your account altogeather.

Cingular could not easily change them. That would invalidate the logins
for millions of devices already in use.

The password is almost insignificant, as the billing and access is
controlled by your SIM and your account features.

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[email protected] wrote:

> http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006...hone-as-modem/

"Windows Mobile 5 Smartphone as GPRS/Edge Modem"

GPRS/EDGE is described. There is nothing about a dialup modem.

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5

Sorry I really have little interest in using the device as a dial-up
modem.... Although it appears to function as such. My primary interest
are using the phone as a modem over GPRS/EDGE


[email protected] wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006...hone-as-modem/
>
> "Windows Mobile 5 Smartphone as GPRS/Edge Modem"
>
> GPRS/EDGE is described. There is nothing about a dialup modem.
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> Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5

John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:28:48 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
> wrote in <[email protected]>:

> >Tethering to the internet is well known to work. Cingular is notably
> >ignorant in helping people hook this up, although sales people are happy to
> >sell the phones, MEdiaNet and cables to almost any phone user.

> I respectfully disagree. Cingular provides software (Connection
> Manager) that makes it pretty much a no brainer _if_ you: (1) have a
> supported mobile device; (2) have an appropriate DataConnect package;
> and (3) use the Cingular software. I don't think Cingular is obligated
> to support anything else. In addition, Cingular provides a wealth of
> technical information as well as forums where support and help are
> readily available.

I referred to the plethora of people, myself included, who walked in, asked
for a phone that would allow me to connect to the internet, and were sold a
phone and the MEdiaWorks bundle.

If they were sold or offered the Data Connect package, there wouldn't be so
many questions about tethering here.




Connection Manager would not work for the original poster, I presume,
because he is now successful with the WAP login, and not the ISP login.

The same "appropriate ... package" comment applies to my "password is
insignificant" post.

The Connection Manger will allow you to tether to the internet if your SIM
plus account features show a Data Connect package.

Googling for a password that allows you to tether using some other package
is something that works. The merits of using that information probably
fall into the same category as using any other passwords you find via a
google search.

The WAP login is already in your phone, if you are able to do any web
browsing from the phone. Documentation of what that setting is supposed to
be is on the Cingular support pages for the phone.

Applying that information to a PC, or modifying the values that the
Connection Manager inserted for the Data Connect package, is another
exercise that I don't expect Cingular to support, or condone.

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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:14:55 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:28:48 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
>> wrote in <[email protected]>:
>
>> >Tethering to the internet is well known to work. Cingular is notably
>> >ignorant in helping people hook this up, although sales people are happy to
>> >sell the phones, MEdiaNet and cables to almost any phone user.
>
>> I respectfully disagree. Cingular provides software (Connection
>> Manager) that makes it pretty much a no brainer _if_ you: (1) have a
>> supported mobile device; (2) have an appropriate DataConnect package;
>> and (3) use the Cingular software. I don't think Cingular is obligated
>> to support anything else. In addition, Cingular provides a wealth of
>> technical information as well as forums where support and help are
>> readily available.
>
>I referred to the plethora of people, myself included, who walked in, asked
>for a phone that would allow me to connect to the internet, and were sold a
>phone and the MEdiaWorks bundle.

Much of that appears to be happening at third-party dealers and agents,
not company stores.

>If they were sold or offered the Data Connect package, there wouldn't be so
>many questions about tethering here.

There really aren't all that many questions here in the great scheme of
things, and many of those are coming from people trying to beat the
system.

>Connection Manager would not work for the original poster, I presume,
>because he is now successful with the WAP login, and not the ISP login.

It would work with the approved package.

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John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:14:55 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]

> >I referred to the plethora of people, myself included, who walked in, asked
> >for a phone that would allow me to connect to the internet, and were sold a
> >phone and the MEdiaWorks bundle.

> Much of that appears to be happening at third-party dealers and agents,
> not company stores.

My personal experiences were at the Cingular store.

> It would work with the approved package.

Unlike your personal usage of MEdiaNet.

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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:08:13 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:14:55 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
>
>> >I referred to the plethora of people, myself included, who walked in, asked
>> >for a phone that would allow me to connect to the internet, and were sold a
>> >phone and the MEdiaWorks bundle.
>
>> Much of that appears to be happening at third-party dealers and agents,
>> not company stores.
>
>My personal experiences were at the Cingular store.

Are you sure? Many independent stores are pretty much indistinguishable
from Cingular-owned stores (even down to clothing).

>> It would work with the approved package.
>
>Unlike your personal usage of MEdiaNet.

I fail to see any relevance, so I'm guessing that's just a cheap shot,
but I'm not using MEdia Net in any event -- I'm using the old (and no
longer offered) MEdia Works Unlimited, which has no such restrictions.
Cingular corporate is will aware of what I'm doing (as a result of the
twice corrected billing errors), and raised no objection.

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John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:08:13 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
> >My personal experiences were at the Cingular store.

> Are you sure? Many independent stores are pretty much indistinguishable
> from Cingular-owned stores (even down to clothing).

That's a toughie. If they are camouflaged, I guess I don't know.
It said AT&T on the front of the building once upon a time. Now it says
Cingular. No other corporate logos or indications that it's not a company
store. http://www.cingular.com/google_earth shows it.
http://www.cingular.com/sbc/other_da...r/storeLocator shows it.

Ah, I see "Cingular Wireless - Authorized Retailer" for some of the
listings, but my store is "Cingular Wireless".

> >> It would work with the approved package.
> >
> >Unlike your personal usage of MEdiaNet.

> I fail to see any relevance,

The package that you use does not work with Connection Manager without
manually changing the login.

> so I'm guessing that's just a cheap shot,
> but I'm not using MEdia Net in any event -- I'm using the old (and no
> longer offered) MEdia Works Unlimited, which has no such restrictions.

Only if you infer such. Connection Manager would not have been a
no-brainer for your situation. You had to modify the login.

<http://onlinestorez.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/common/legal/pop-planterms.jsp?q_planterms=postpaid#cn2>
reminds one to check the page regularly to see if the terms and conditions
have changed.

If that is legitimate (no notification, you have to repeatedly check), and
the posted conditions apply to MediaWorks, then they apply to the
MediaWorks Unlimited that you have, unless the current page for your
product has an older version attached, if your page is no longer being
updated.

I don't seem to be able to find "MEdiaNet Unlimited" any more, so I don't
have any terms and conditions page that I can easily reference.

> Cingular corporate is will aware of what I'm doing (as a result of the
> twice corrected billing errors), and raised no objection.

Someone who answered the phone for the corporation, maybe an employee of
the corporation, or an authorized contractor, but I don't know that I would
assign that the gravitas of "Cingular corporate", unless several
escalations were needed.

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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:06:03 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

>> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:08:13 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]

>> >Unlike your personal usage of MEdiaNet.
>
>> I fail to see any relevance,
>
>The package that you use does not work with Connection Manager without
>manually changing the login.

True, but I still fail to see any relevance -- my point was that
Connection Manager works nicely with intended DataConnect packages, not
with MEdia packages.

>> Cingular corporate is will aware of what I'm doing (as a result of the
>> twice corrected billing errors), and raised no objection.
>
>Someone who answered the phone for the corporation, maybe an employee of
>the corporation, or an authorized contractor, but I don't know that I would
>assign that the gravitas of "Cingular corporate", unless several
>escalations were needed.

There was indeed escalation, to the "Office of the President." In
addition, the credits required executive authorization.

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John Navas wrote:
> True, but I still fail to see any relevance -- my point was that
> Connection Manager works nicely with intended DataConnect packages, not
> with MEdia packages.

How odd, I got the Cingular Connection Manager to work with the
$19.95/mo Media(whatever). You must not have been doing something right.

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 02:15:34 GMT, DecaturTxCowboy <[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>John Navas wrote:
>> True, but I still fail to see any relevance -- my point was that
>> Connection Manager works nicely with intended DataConnect packages, not
>> with MEdia packages.
>
>How odd, I got the Cingular Connection Manager to work with the
>$19.95/mo Media(whatever). You must not have been doing something right.

You must have been following my instructions.
<http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ/MEdia_Configuration#Using_Cingular_Communication_Manager_.28Handset.29>
<http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ/MEdia_Configuration#Using_Cingular_Communication_Manager_.28PC_Card.29>


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