Bye-Bye to ATT/Cingular, and hello to Sprint High-Speed data

SMS,

You seem to need some education in this area: (Listen carefully and learn):

I live in Laguna Niguel in Southern California and had been a Verizon
customer for about 10 years back to the days when it was Airtouch Cellular.
I moved to a new area of Laguna Niguel where Verizon did not have coverage.
They sent a technician to my home and about a week later they had a report
that the signal was not usable at my home and that there would be no new
cell sites installed to cover that area in the near future. Cingular and
T-Mobile also do not function in my area since it is surrounded by hills.
Sprint happens to have a cell on a building about 1/2 mile down the street
and I get full signal here. Verizon cancelled my contract due to lack of
ability to provide coverage and I switched to Sprint. I have been with
Sprint for the past several years and have been very satisfied with coverage
in SoCal and throughout my travels within the US. BTW, Sprint will roam on
Verizon in Southern California. I can fore roaming now and I will have a
Verizon SID. The opposite is not true for Verizon. Verizon cannot roam on
Sprint in SoCal as Verizon removed this option about three years ago. If you
cannot get a Verizon signal in SoCal then you are out-of-luck because there
is no other CDMA roaming partner to roam on, even if Sprint has a usable
signal, it is not possible to use it.

You can thank me later, but if you need anymore remedial education, please
let me know. :-)

-mij


"SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mij Adyaw wrote:
>> With all of the CDMA roaming agreements that Sprint has, they have much
>> better voice and data coverage.
>
> The problem with Sprint is that they don't allow roaming onto the Verizon
> network if they have their own network for that area, even if their own
> coverage is poor. This is the situation in California. There are many
> areas where the native Sprint coverage is very poor, mainly due to their
> late entry, fewer towers, and 1900 MHz spectrum. They even let my last
> boss out of his contract with no termination fee when their service didn't
> work at his home in Fremont. Another colleague of mine had Sprint for
> years with no service at her house in Cupertino, she only switched to
> another carrier when she actually wanted coverage at her house, in order
> to have mobile to mobile free calls with her kids that went off to
> college.
>
> It's ironic that the best Sprint coverage is where they have no network at
> all, so you can roam onto Verizon.
>
> Now Sprint has done away with its "Fair and Flexible" pricing plans,
> eliminating another reason to choose them. They are hemorrhaging customers
> like AT&T Wireless was doing prior to their meltdown and takeover.

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› See More: Bye-Bye to ATT/Cingular, and hello to Sprint High-Speed data

Do were you born yesterday and do you believe everything that you read?
There are areas where Sprint will kick Cingular's ass and vice versa. It all
depends upon the area that you use the phone. For some folks, Sprint is
better, for other folks Cingular, and for other folks, Verizon or T-Mobile.
Get the idea?


<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:36:49 -0800, 444 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Dont worry Cingular/ATT.
>>
>>I wont miss your expensive, _SLOW_ GSM data and internet speeds.
>>
>>The "Edge" my ass!!!
>>
>>Going into warp drive on Sprint CDMA 01/22/2007
>
>
> Out of the frying pan into the fire.
>
> Every year:
>
> Consumer Reports, The Yankee Group, and J D Power rate Sprint worse
> than Cingular for Customer Support and Service.

[email protected] wrote:

> Every year:
>
> Consumer Reports, The Yankee Group, and J D Power rate Sprint worse
> than Cingular for Customer Support and Service.

Sprint is indeed one of the worst for coverage and customer support.
However they do have some advantages as well. They have nights and
weekends starting at 7:00 p.m. They allow roaming onto more AMPS
networks than Verizon's current plans (Verizon's ACII plan eliminated a
lot of AMPS roaming, according to their maps.

In California's metro areas, Sprint coverage is poor (see the January
Consumer Reports). This is due to several reasons, including their late
entry, and their 1900 MHz spectrum. Often people will think that they
can simply roam onto Verizon from Sprint, but this is usually not the
case. If Sprint has a network, they don't let you roam onto Verizon in
the Sprint dead spots (and vice-versa).

There are parts of the country where Sprint is just fine, but if you
need a service where you can count on the best coverage in both metro
areas and less dense areas, then Verizon is your best bet, as Consumer
Reports showed.

And the point of your post is?


"Mij Adyaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> SMS,
>
> You seem to need some education in this area: (Listen carefully and
> learn):
>
> I live in Laguna Niguel in Southern California and had been a Verizon
> customer for about 10 years back to the days when it was Airtouch
> Cellular. I moved to a new area of Laguna Niguel where Verizon did not
> have coverage. They sent a technician to my home and about a week later
> they had a report that the signal was not usable at my home and that there
> would be no new cell sites installed to cover that area in the near
> future. Cingular and T-Mobile also do not function in my area since it is
> surrounded by hills. Sprint happens to have a cell on a building about 1/2
> mile down the street and I get full signal here. Verizon cancelled my
> contract due to lack of ability to provide coverage and I switched to
> Sprint. I have been with Sprint for the past several years and have been
> very satisfied with coverage in SoCal and throughout my travels within the
> US. BTW, Sprint will roam on Verizon in Southern California. I can fore
> roaming now and I will have a Verizon SID. The opposite is not true for
> Verizon. Verizon cannot roam on Sprint in SoCal as Verizon removed this
> option about three years ago. If you cannot get a Verizon signal in SoCal
> then you are out-of-luck because there is no other CDMA roaming partner to
> roam on, even if Sprint has a usable signal, it is not possible to use it.
>
> You can thank me later, but if you need anymore remedial education, please
> let me know. :-)
>
> -mij
>
>
> "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Mij Adyaw wrote:
>>> With all of the CDMA roaming agreements that Sprint has, they have much
>>> better voice and data coverage.
>>
>> The problem with Sprint is that they don't allow roaming onto the Verizon
>> network if they have their own network for that area, even if their own
>> coverage is poor. This is the situation in California. There are many
>> areas where the native Sprint coverage is very poor, mainly due to their
>> late entry, fewer towers, and 1900 MHz spectrum. They even let my last
>> boss out of his contract with no termination fee when their service
>> didn't work at his home in Fremont. Another colleague of mine had Sprint
>> for years with no service at her house in Cupertino, she only switched to
>> another carrier when she actually wanted coverage at her house, in order
>> to have mobile to mobile free calls with her kids that went off to
>> college.
>>
>> It's ironic that the best Sprint coverage is where they have no network
>> at all, so you can roam onto Verizon.
>>
>> Now Sprint has done away with its "Fair and Flexible" pricing plans,
>> eliminating another reason to choose them. They are hemorrhaging
>> customers like AT&T Wireless was doing prior to their meltdown and
>> takeover.
>
>

> I know that with Verizon, you can actually roam in countries that they
> don't show on their web site as having roaming capability.

Yikes. Sounds dangerous. I'd hate to see the bill you might get for
essentially using an undocumented feature, where they could make up whatever
rules they wished.

--Mike--
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com

In article <[email protected]>,
SMS <[email protected]> wrote:

> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Every year:
> >
> > Consumer Reports, The Yankee Group, and J D Power rate Sprint worse
> > than Cingular for Customer Support and Service.
>
> Sprint is indeed one of the worst for coverage and customer support.
> However they do have some advantages as well. They have nights and
> weekends starting at 7:00 p.m. They allow roaming onto more AMPS
> networks than Verizon's current plans (Verizon's ACII plan eliminated a
> lot of AMPS roaming, according to their maps.
>
> In California's metro areas, Sprint coverage is poor (see the January
> Consumer Reports). This is due to several reasons, including their late
> entry, and their 1900 MHz spectrum. Often people will think that they
> can simply roam onto Verizon from Sprint, but this is usually not the
> case. If Sprint has a network, they don't let you roam onto Verizon in
> the Sprint dead spots (and vice-versa).
>
> There are parts of the country where Sprint is just fine, but if you
> need a service where you can count on the best coverage in both metro
> areas and less dense areas, then Verizon is your best bet, as Consumer
> Reports showed.

Sprint is allegedly fine in Houston, but such is not the case.

Many dead spots.

1900 MHz causes poor indoor reception in many areas

Still the biodegradeable Sprint phones, and 1900 MHz phones run hot,
causes the early deaths.

Dropped calls all the time.

Unable to make calls when useage is up (as when it starts raining) -
Honey I'll be home late, you might have wanted to say.

Go away Jack as no one will ever take anything seriously that you say about
Sprint. You have had a hard-on for Sprint since they dropped you for not
paying your bill. Do a Google search on Jack and you will findout the truth
about Jack and Sprint.

"Jackzwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> > Every year:
>> >
>> > Consumer Reports, The Yankee Group, and J D Power rate Sprint worse
>> > than Cingular for Customer Support and Service.
>>
>> Sprint is indeed one of the worst for coverage and customer support.
>> However they do have some advantages as well. They have nights and
>> weekends starting at 7:00 p.m. They allow roaming onto more AMPS
>> networks than Verizon's current plans (Verizon's ACII plan eliminated a
>> lot of AMPS roaming, according to their maps.
>>
>> In California's metro areas, Sprint coverage is poor (see the January
>> Consumer Reports). This is due to several reasons, including their late
>> entry, and their 1900 MHz spectrum. Often people will think that they
>> can simply roam onto Verizon from Sprint, but this is usually not the
>> case. If Sprint has a network, they don't let you roam onto Verizon in
>> the Sprint dead spots (and vice-versa).
>>
>> There are parts of the country where Sprint is just fine, but if you
>> need a service where you can count on the best coverage in both metro
>> areas and less dense areas, then Verizon is your best bet, as Consumer
>> Reports showed.
>
> Sprint is allegedly fine in Houston, but such is not the case.
>
> Many dead spots.
>
> 1900 MHz causes poor indoor reception in many areas
>
> Still the biodegradeable Sprint phones, and 1900 MHz phones run hot,
> causes the early deaths.
>
> Dropped calls all the time.
>
> Unable to make calls when useage is up (as when it starts raining) -
> Honey I'll be home late, you might have wanted to say.

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:53:40 GMT, Jackzwick <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> > Every year:
>> >
>> > Consumer Reports, The Yankee Group, and J D Power rate Sprint worse
>> > than Cingular for Customer Support and Service.
>>
>> Sprint is indeed one of the worst for coverage and customer support.
>> However they do have some advantages as well. They have nights and
>> weekends starting at 7:00 p.m. They allow roaming onto more AMPS
>> networks than Verizon's current plans (Verizon's ACII plan eliminated a
>> lot of AMPS roaming, according to their maps.
>>
>> In California's metro areas, Sprint coverage is poor (see the January
>> Consumer Reports). This is due to several reasons, including their late
>> entry, and their 1900 MHz spectrum. Often people will think that they
>> can simply roam onto Verizon from Sprint, but this is usually not the
>> case. If Sprint has a network, they don't let you roam onto Verizon in
>> the Sprint dead spots (and vice-versa).
>>
>> There are parts of the country where Sprint is just fine, but if you
>> need a service where you can count on the best coverage in both metro
>> areas and less dense areas, then Verizon is your best bet, as Consumer
>> Reports showed.
>
>Sprint is allegedly fine in Houston, but such is not the case.
>
>Many dead spots.
>
>1900 MHz causes poor indoor reception in many areas
>
>Still the biodegradeable Sprint phones, and 1900 MHz phones run hot,
>causes the early deaths.
>
>Dropped calls all the time.
>
>Unable to make calls when useage is up (as when it starts raining) -
>Honey I'll be home late, you might have wanted to say.



Must be exactly correct if Mij has to lapse into
made-up personal attacks, rather than try (which he can't)
to argue factually.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:53:40 GMT, Jackzwick <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>> SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>> > Every year:
>>> >
>>> > Consumer Reports, The Yankee Group, and J D Power rate Sprint worse
>>> > than Cingular for Customer Support and Service.
>>>
>>> Sprint is indeed one of the worst for coverage and customer support.
>>> However they do have some advantages as well. They have nights and
>>> weekends starting at 7:00 p.m. They allow roaming onto more AMPS
>>> networks than Verizon's current plans (Verizon's ACII plan eliminated a
>>> lot of AMPS roaming, according to their maps.
>>>
>>> In California's metro areas, Sprint coverage is poor (see the January
>>> Consumer Reports). This is due to several reasons, including their late
>>> entry, and their 1900 MHz spectrum. Often people will think that they
>>> can simply roam onto Verizon from Sprint, but this is usually not the
>>> case. If Sprint has a network, they don't let you roam onto Verizon in
>>> the Sprint dead spots (and vice-versa).
>>>
>>> There are parts of the country where Sprint is just fine, but if you
>>> need a service where you can count on the best coverage in both metro
>>> areas and less dense areas, then Verizon is your best bet, as Consumer
>>> Reports showed.
>>
>>Sprint is allegedly fine in Houston, but such is not the case.
>>
>>Many dead spots.
>>
>>1900 MHz causes poor indoor reception in many areas
>>
>>Still the biodegradeable Sprint phones, and 1900 MHz phones run hot,
>>causes the early deaths.
>>
>>Dropped calls all the time.
>>
>>Unable to make calls when useage is up (as when it starts raining) -
>>Honey I'll be home late, you might have wanted to say.
>
>
>
> Must be exactly correct if Mij has to lapse into
> made-up personal attacks, rather than try (which he can't)
> to argue factually.

There is no personal attack here. Google the sprintpcs newsgroup and you
will get the facts regarding Jack.

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:23:52 -0800, "Mij Adyaw" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:53:40 GMT, Jackzwick <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>> SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Every year:
>>>> >
>>>> > Consumer Reports, The Yankee Group, and J D Power rate Sprint worse
>>>> > than Cingular for Customer Support and Service.
>>>>
>>>> Sprint is indeed one of the worst for coverage and customer support.
>>>> However they do have some advantages as well. They have nights and
>>>> weekends starting at 7:00 p.m. They allow roaming onto more AMPS
>>>> networks than Verizon's current plans (Verizon's ACII plan eliminated a
>>>> lot of AMPS roaming, according to their maps.
>>>>
>>>> In California's metro areas, Sprint coverage is poor (see the January
>>>> Consumer Reports). This is due to several reasons, including their late
>>>> entry, and their 1900 MHz spectrum. Often people will think that they
>>>> can simply roam onto Verizon from Sprint, but this is usually not the
>>>> case. If Sprint has a network, they don't let you roam onto Verizon in
>>>> the Sprint dead spots (and vice-versa).
>>>>
>>>> There are parts of the country where Sprint is just fine, but if you
>>>> need a service where you can count on the best coverage in both metro
>>>> areas and less dense areas, then Verizon is your best bet, as Consumer
>>>> Reports showed.
>>>
>>>Sprint is allegedly fine in Houston, but such is not the case.
>>>
>>>Many dead spots.
>>>
>>>1900 MHz causes poor indoor reception in many areas
>>>
>>>Still the biodegradeable Sprint phones, and 1900 MHz phones run hot,
>>>causes the early deaths.
>>>
>>>Dropped calls all the time.
>>>
>>>Unable to make calls when useage is up (as when it starts raining) -
>>>Honey I'll be home late, you might have wanted to say.
>>
>>
>>
>> Must be exactly correct if Mij has to lapse into
>> made-up personal attacks, rather than try (which he can't)
>> to argue factually.
>
>There is no personal attack here. Google the sprintpcs newsgroup and you
>will get the facts regarding Jack.
>


You will get Sprint apologists making personal attacks. I still note
that mij can not dispute that facts how B A D Sprint is. He just
invents stories to throw mud at Jack.

Same old tale, don't like the message, attack the messenger.

The facts remain how B A D Sprint is.

[email protected] wrote in
news:[email protected]:


>>
>
>
> You will get Sprint apologists making personal attacks. I still note
> that mij can not dispute that facts how B A D Sprint is.


And I still note that you made outrageous claims that could not be
substantiated.




> He just
> invents stories to throw mud at Jack.


Talking about yourself in the third person is so juvenile.


>
> Same old tale, don't like the message, attack the messenger.


No- this is a case of not liking the messenger and having no reason to
believe the message.

444 wrote:
> Dont worry Cingular/ATT.
>
> I wont miss your expensive, _SLOW_ GSM data and internet speeds.
>
> The "Edge" my ass!!!
>
> Going into warp drive on Sprint CDMA 01/22/2007

The latest Sprint television ad regarding data is pretty hard-hitting.
They used to compare their EVDO speed to Cingular EDGE, which wasn't
really fair as Cingular does have HSDPA in the top metro areas. The new
ad is two guys using their notebooks and someone is listing a bunch of
cities (all secondary markets) and the Sprint guy keeps saying "Yes,"
while the Cingular guy says "No".

Regardless of the data advantages of Sprint, Cingular had an excellent
fourth quarter 2006, while Sprint had a terrible 4Q2006.

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:36:49 UTC, 444 <[email protected]> wrote:

> Dont worry Cingular/ATT.
>
> I wont miss your expensive, _SLOW_ GSM data and internet speeds.
>
> The "Edge" my ass!!!
>
> Going into warp drive on Sprint CDMA 01/22/2007

Sprint didn't even have good coverage at my home here in Oklahoma
(though it was good 4 miles away at work). But, since you could
occasionally pick up a Sprint tower (even though it was likely I would
get dropped shortly), I couldn't even use their roaming.

So their coverage overseas doesn't matter to me.

--

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 05:59:23 UTC, David W Studeman
<[email protected]> wrote:

> SMS wrote:
>
> > Michael Paris wrote:
> >
> >> Thats fine as long as you stay in North America and never travel,
> >> otherwise, you will have a Sprint Logo'd paper weight.
> >
> > Except for the hundred or so countries, on every continent, that have
> > CDMA networks.
>
> How many continents have 100 or so countries on them? Interesting geography
> lesson you have here!
>

I didn't read this that every continent has 100 countries, but that
100 countries are spread over the continents. Though technically
Antartica doesn't have ANY countries.

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:00:40 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>Michael Paris wrote:
>
>> Thats fine as long as you stay in North America and never travel, otherwise,
>> you will have a Sprint Logo'd paper weight.
>
>Except for the hundred or so countries, on every continent, that have
>CDMA networks.

Pure fantasy.

--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>