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- 06-12-2007, 03:20 PM #16John NavasGuest
Re: NEWS: Apple iPhone, not yet for sale, drives stock
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:39:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote in
<[email protected]>:
>>> The iPhone must certainly has a keyboard, a creen of its touch screen.
>>Does it have a *****-checker?
>
>When you use Google's Web based apps, it sure will.
Only when online, a serious limitation, and not a terribly good *****
checker.
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- 06-12-2007, 03:21 PM #17John NavasGuest
Re: NEWS: Apple iPhone, not yet for sale, drives stock
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:39:15 GMT, [email protected] wrote in
<[email protected]>:
>On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:43:56 GMT, John Navas
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>Not that it matters, but my post was actually well before yours.
>>
>No your earlier post was onlythatt 3rd party apps would exist,
>My post that beat yours by 8 hours was that those apps would only be
>Web 2.0 apps inside Safari.
Not that it matters, but that's not correct.
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- 06-12-2007, 03:48 PM #18Guest
Re: NEWS: Apple iPhone, not yet for sale, drives stock
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:21:28 GMT, John Navas
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:39:15 GMT, [email protected] wrote in
><[email protected]>:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:43:56 GMT, John Navas
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>Not that it matters, but my post was actually well before yours.
>>>
>>No your earlier post was onlythatt 3rd party apps would exist,
>>My post that beat yours by 8 hours was that those apps would only be
>>Web 2.0 apps inside Safari.
>
>Not that it matters, but that's not correct.
Why did I know you'd lie?
- 06-12-2007, 03:49 PM #19Guest
Re: NEWS: Apple iPhone, not yet for sale, drives stock
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:16:45 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:36:49 -0500, George Kerby
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On 6/10/07 12:28 PM, in article [email protected],
>> >"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:55:32 GMT, John Navas
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> <http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4088236a6026.html>
>> >>>
>> >>> Apple Inc has not yet sold a single iPhone, but investors are driving
>> >>> up the company's shares to record highs as they bank that the
>> >>> combined telephone and media player will be a major hit.
>> >>
>> >> Not at retailm but rest assured AT&T has contracted already fir a
>> >> large number.
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> A slew of brokerages from UBS to Piper Jaffray are raising their
>> >>> targets on Apple's stock to as much as $US160 ($NZ216) - equivalent
>> >>> to about 40 times its expected fiscal 2008 profit.
>> >>>
>> >>> That's high for a stock that has traded at multiples in the low 30s
>> >>> the past couple of years.
>> >>
>> >> Wrong its been steadily tising due to success of iPods, and increased
>> >> Markwt share for profitible macintosh computers.
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> The new target multiples, coming after the stock has already risen
>> >>> nearly 30 per cent since the iPhone was unveiled in January, implies
>> >>> that analysts see the new gadget as a break-out product for Apple
>> >>> when it is launched on June 29.
>> >>>
>> >>> Credit Suisse analyst Robert Semple forecast the iPhone could carry a
>> >>> gross margin of at least 40 per cent, higher than overall margins at
>> >>> Apple, which topped 35 per cent last quarter due in part to a drop in
>> >>> component prices.
>> >>>
>> >>> Earlier this week, Semple said in a research note the device could
>> >>> sell 5 million units this year and 15 million in 2008 as people
>> >>> overlook the hefty price tag in favor of the promised new features.
>> >>>
>> >>> Skeptics say the product's success is far from guaranteed, noting
>> >>> concerns over the lofty $US500-$US600 price tag, lack of a keyboard,
>> >>> and the fact that it is restricted to use on AT&T Corp's wireless
>> >>> network.
>> >>>
>> >>> [MORE]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The iPhone must certainly has a keyboard, a creen of its touch screen.
>> >Does it have a *****-checker?
>>
>> When you use Google's Web based apps, it sure will.
>
>Can you possibly trim your posts?
It's good USENET etiquette to selectively SNIP a post
one is responding to. That's a Navas trick.
- 06-12-2007, 03:51 PM #20Guest
Re: NEWS: Apple iPhone, not yet for sale, drives stock
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:20:49 GMT, John Navas
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:39:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote in
><[email protected]>:
>
>>>> The iPhone must certainly has a keyboard, a creen of its touch screen.
>>>Does it have a *****-checker?
>>
>>When you use Google's Web based apps, it sure will.
>
>Only when online, a serious limitation, and not a terribly good *****
>checker.
Sum of usns are colige gradu8tes dont realli nede a spele chicker.
- 06-12-2007, 08:56 PM #21Guest
Re: NEWS: Apple iPhone, not yet for sale, drives stock
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:03:15 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:16:45 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> > [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:36:49 -0500, George Kerby
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >On 6/10/07 12:28 PM, in article
>> >> >[email protected],
>> >> >"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:55:32 GMT, John Navas
>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> <http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4088236a6026.html>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Apple Inc has not yet sold a single iPhone, but investors are
>> >> >>> driving
>> >> >>> up the company's shares to record highs as they bank that the
>> >> >>> combined telephone and media player will be a major hit.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Not at retailm but rest assured AT&T has contracted already fir a
>> >> >> large number.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> A slew of brokerages from UBS to Piper Jaffray are raising their
>> >> >>> targets on Apple's stock to as much as $US160 ($NZ216) - equivalent
>> >> >>> to about 40 times its expected fiscal 2008 profit.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> That's high for a stock that has traded at multiples in the low 30s
>> >> >>> the past couple of years.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Wrong its been steadily tising due to success of iPods, and increased
>> >> >> Markwt share for profitible macintosh computers.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The new target multiples, coming after the stock has already risen
>> >> >>> nearly 30 per cent since the iPhone was unveiled in January, implies
>> >> >>> that analysts see the new gadget as a break-out product for Apple
>> >> >>> when it is launched on June 29.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Credit Suisse analyst Robert Semple forecast the iPhone could carry
>> >> >>> a
>> >> >>> gross margin of at least 40 per cent, higher than overall margins at
>> >> >>> Apple, which topped 35 per cent last quarter due in part to a drop
>> >> >>> in
>> >> >>> component prices.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Earlier this week, Semple said in a research note the device could
>> >> >>> sell 5 million units this year and 15 million in 2008 as people
>> >> >>> overlook the hefty price tag in favor of the promised new features.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Skeptics say the product's success is far from guaranteed, noting
>> >> >>> concerns over the lofty $US500-$US600 price tag, lack of a keyboard,
>> >> >>> and the fact that it is restricted to use on AT&T Corp's wireless
>> >> >>> network.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> [MORE]
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The iPhone must certainly has a keyboard, a creen of its touch screen.
>> >> >Does it have a *****-checker?
>> >>
>> >> When you use Google's Web based apps, it sure will.
>> >
>> >Can you possibly trim your posts?
>>
>>
>> It's good USENET etiquette to selectively SNIP a post
>> one is responding to. That's a Navas trick.
>
>Quoting everything for one line?
Surely more mature than childish repeating 6 times like a 4 year old
in a snit.
- 06-12-2007, 08:58 PM #22John NavasGuest
Re: NEWS: Apple iPhone, not yet for sale, drives stock
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:48:25 -0500, [email protected] wrote in
<[email protected]>:
>On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:21:28 GMT, John Navas
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:39:15 GMT, [email protected] wrote in
>><[email protected]>:
>>
>>>On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:43:56 GMT, John Navas
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>>Not that it matters, but my post was actually well before yours.
>>>>
>>>No your earlier post was onlythatt 3rd party apps would exist,
>>>My post that beat yours by 8 hours was that those apps would only be
>>>Web 2.0 apps inside Safari.
>>
>>Not that it matters, but that's not correct.
>
>Why did I know you'd lie?
Why did I know you'd be a jerk?
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- 06-12-2007, 10:26 PM #23DTCGuest
Re: NEWS: Apple iPhone, not yet for sale, drives stock
Kurt wrote:
> My only fear is that Cingular/ATT will gouge for data services. That
> will kill sales more than anything else.
It might appear so. That $59.95/mo unlimited data plan isn't shown anymore
on the data connection card pages.
- 06-12-2007, 10:54 PM #24John NavasGuest
Re: NEWS: Apple iPhone, not yet for sale, drives stock
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:26:27 GMT, DTC <no_spam@move_along_folks.foob>
wrote in <[email protected]>:
>Kurt wrote:
>> My only fear is that Cingular/ATT will gouge for data services. That
>> will kill sales more than anything else.
>
>It might appear so. That $59.95/mo unlimited data plan isn't shown anymore
>on the data connection card pages.
It actually still is:
<http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/popup/dataconnect-comp-table.jsp>
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- 06-13-2007, 06:18 AM #25DTCGuest
Re: NEWS: Apple iPhone, not yet for sale, drives stock
John Navas wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:26:27 GMT, DTC <no_spam@move_along_folks.foob>
> wrote in <[email protected]>:
>
>> Kurt wrote:
>>> My only fear is that Cingular/ATT will gouge for data services. That
>>> will kill sales more than anything else.
>> It might appear so. That $59.95/mo unlimited data plan isn't shown anymore
>> on the data connection card pages.
>
> It actually still is:
> <http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/popup/dataconnect-comp-table.jsp>
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...nect-plans.jsp
Data Connect (10MB) $29.99
PDA Personal 20 MB $34.99
PDA Connect (Unlimited) $44.99
PDA Personal Max with 1500 Messages $44.99
PDA Personal Max with 1500 Messages w/UNLIMITED M2M Messaging $49.99
Data Connect (Unlimited) $79.99 Unlimited
Data Connect (Unlimited) w/Wi-Fi $99.99
- 06-13-2007, 08:49 AM #26SMSGuest
Re: NEWS: Apple iPhone, not yet for sale, drives stock
Kurt wrote:
> My only fear is that Cingular/ATT will gouge for data services. That
> will kill sales more than anything else. As long as Apple keeps them in
> line with this, all will be good.
I don't think Apple would have allowed gouging in their agreement.
Perhaps the reason the iPhone is not 3G is so AT&T has a way to offer a
lower cost, lower speed, data plan for the iPhone without dropping the
price for using the 3G HSDPA network.
- 06-13-2007, 09:11 AM #27KurtGuest
Re: NEWS: Apple iPhone, not yet for sale, drives stock
In article <[email protected]>,
DTC <no_spam@move_along_folks.foob> wrote:
> Kurt wrote:
> > My only fear is that Cingular/ATT will gouge for data services. That
> > will kill sales more than anything else.
>
> It might appear so. That $59.95/mo unlimited data plan isn't shown anymore
> on the data connection card pages.
Data plans are still way too high.
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- 06-13-2007, 09:37 AM #28John NavasGuest
Re: NEWS: Apple iPhone, not yet for sale, drives stock
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 08:11:03 -0700, Kurt <[email protected]> wrote
in <[email protected]>:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> DTC <no_spam@move_along_folks.foob> wrote:
>
>> Kurt wrote:
>> > My only fear is that Cingular/ATT will gouge for data services. That
>> > will kill sales more than anything else.
>>
>> It might appear so. That $59.95/mo unlimited data plan isn't shown anymore
>> on the data connection card pages.
>
>Data plans are still way too high.
For what? For you? Many people obviously don't think so, since they
buy and use them. If the price were really too high, then demand would
drop, and the price might well come down.
I personally think the price isn't unreasonable for "unlimited" data,
but that what's missing is a middle tier data plan that's cheaper than
"unlimited" but much more affordable than the current bottom tier plans.
The problem is that consumers _hate_ metered plans (with good reason),
so it probably wouldn't get much uptake.
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- 06-13-2007, 09:39 AM #29John NavasGuest
Re: NEWS: Apple iPhone, not yet for sale, drives stock
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:49:36 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:
>Kurt wrote:
>
>> My only fear is that Cingular/ATT will gouge for data services. That
>> will kill sales more than anything else. As long as Apple keeps them in
>> line with this, all will be good.
>
>I don't think Apple would have allowed gouging in their agreement.
>Perhaps the reason the iPhone is not 3G is so AT&T has a way to offer a
>lower cost, lower speed, data plan for the iPhone without dropping the
>price for using the 3G HSDPA network.
Makes no sense, since AT&T/Cingular doesn't distinguish between EGPRS
and UMTS/HSDPA in any of its data packages.
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- 06-13-2007, 09:45 AM #30Todd AllcockGuest
Re: NEWS: Apple iPhone, not yet for sale, drives stock
At 13 Jun 2007 08:11:03 -0700 Kurt wrote:
> Data plans are still way too high.
Depends on your POV, I guess. Cellular had limited bandwidth compared to
fixed proiders, so I think $60/month for unlimited with "mobility" is
reasonable vs., say, $40 for home DSL/cable.
Arguments that wireless data is a "rip off" because it costs more than
DSL or cable are specious given the differences in the types of service-
it's like comparing the cost of supermarket food vs. a restaurant meal-
they're apples and oranges.
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