Data plan and airtime

I have a Treo 650 and an unlimited MediaNet dataplan.
I was informed by someone up here that using data does not use minutes.
When I use Opera Mini (web browser) I am always prompted with a message
that asks me informs me (basically) that surfing the web will cost me
airtime.
Same with Google Maps.
I'd call ATT on this, but don't want to draw attention to the fact that
they are allowing me to use MediaNet instead of the $40 PDA data plan.

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"Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I have a Treo 650 and an unlimited MediaNet dataplan.
> I was informed by someone up here that using data does not use minutes.
> When I use Opera Mini (web browser) I am always prompted with a message
> that asks me informs me (basically) that surfing the web will cost me
> airtime.
> Same with Google Maps.
> I'd call ATT on this, but don't want to draw attention to the fact that
> they are allowing me to use MediaNet instead of the $40 PDA data plan.
>
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Why don't you go to "my account" on the web site and see
if you are really using airtime?

Then you would see the actual answer instead of the
opinion of a bunch of yahoos on a news group.
guess which one is more relevant?

Bernard

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 22:31:04 -0700, "bernard farquart"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Why don't you go to "my account" on the web site and see
>if you are really using airtime?
>
>Then you would see the actual answer instead of the
>opinion of a bunch of yahoos on a news group.
>guess which one is more relevant?

And then post the answer back here so us yahoos know for sure.

In article <[email protected]>,
"bernard farquart" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >I have a Treo 650 and an unlimited MediaNet dataplan.
> > I was informed by someone up here that using data does not use minutes.
> > When I use Opera Mini (web browser) I am always prompted with a message
> > that asks me informs me (basically) that surfing the web will cost me
> > airtime.
> > Same with Google Maps.
> > I'd call ATT on this, but don't want to draw attention to the fact that
> > they are allowing me to use MediaNet instead of the $40 PDA data plan.
> >
> > --
> > To reply by email, remove the word "space"
>
> Why don't you go to "my account" on the web site and see
> if you are really using airtime?
>
> Then you would see the actual answer instead of the
> opinion of a bunch of yahoos on a news group.
> guess which one is more relevant?
>
> Bernard

Can't tell from bill if talking airtime was applied to data since I do
use both.

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On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:02:12 -0700, Kurt <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Can't tell from bill if talking airtime was applied to data since I do
>use both.

No, man.

What you do is use the minutes remaining function.
Write down how many you have left.
Then don't use any voice at all.
Access the internet with Opera mini for 5 minutes or so.
Then check your minutes remaining again.
If it's the same as it was they don't charge you for minutes of opera
mini usage. If it's the same amount less as you used opera mini for,
then you know.

This will take you 6 or 7 minutes to test and you and all us yahoos
will then know for sure.

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:34:09 -0700, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:02:12 -0700, Kurt <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Can't tell from bill if talking airtime was applied to data since I do
>>use both.
>
>No, man.
>
>What you do is use the minutes remaining function.
>Write down how many you have left.
>Then don't use any voice at all.
>Access the internet with Opera mini for 5 minutes or so.
>Then check your minutes remaining again.
>If it's the same as it was they don't charge you for minutes of opera
>mini usage. If it's the same amount less as you used opera mini for,
>then you know.
>
>This will take you 6 or 7 minutes to test and you and all us yahoos
>will then know for sure.

Not that easy and convenient, since it can take up to a day for the
website to be updated.

No matter, though, since GSM/UMTS data _only_ uses airtime on dog slow
_CSD_ connections, not GPRS/EGPRS[EDGE]/UMTS/HSDPA.

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It is alleged that Kurt claimed:

> I have a Treo 650 and an unlimited MediaNet dataplan.
> I was informed by someone up here that using data does not use minutes.
> When I use Opera Mini (web browser) I am always prompted with a message
> that asks me informs me (basically) that surfing the web will cost me
> airtime.
> Same with Google Maps.
> I'd call ATT on this, but don't want to draw attention to the fact that
> they are allowing me to use MediaNet instead of the $40 PDA data plan.

The applications don't know. They're just programmed to say that, and
it's reasonably generic to say that it uses "airtime", whether it's
measured in minutes or kilobytes.

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On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:46:01 GMT, John Navas
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Not that easy and convenient, since it can take up to a day for the
>website to be updated.
Not the website. Use the phone based minutes remaining function.
I think that is pretty much immediate.

BTW, I tested this on a motorola V555 on Tmobile prepaid.
I had a certain minutes remaining.
I accessed the internet with opera mini for several minutes.
It didn't take any minutes at all.
As a prepaid that had no internet subscription. But it worked and the
edge worked.

Interestingly I tried it again a week later and I was not able to
access the internet this way. Blocked.
You think they noticed what I did?

At 20 Jun 2007 16:37:03 +0000 [email protected] wrote:


> I had a certain minutes remaining.
> I accessed the internet with opera mini for several minutes.
> It didn't take any minutes at all.
> As a prepaid that had no internet subscription. But it worked and the
> edge worked.
>
> Interestingly I tried it again a week later and I was not able to
> access the internet this way. Blocked.
> You think they noticed what I did?

Yes. T-Mobile plugged a "free internet" security hole in their entire
network because they detected you using Opera Mini for a few minutes. ;-)

Seriously, iwas a cooincidence. A bug in their MMS system forced T-Mo to
open up internet access for a few months, even for prepaid customers.

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:37:03 GMT, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:46:01 GMT, John Navas
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Not that easy and convenient, since it can take up to a day for the
>>website to be updated.

>Not the website. Use the phone based minutes remaining function.

That's only with prepaid. This is postpaid data.

>I think that is pretty much immediate.

I'm fairly sure the underlying AT&T/Cingular mechanism is much the same.

>BTW, I tested this on a motorola V555 on Tmobile prepaid.

Entirely different (carrier, and prepaid versus postpaid), so not
relevant in this context.

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