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- 07-10-2007, 08:27 AM #31George KerbyGuest
Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220,meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.
On 7/9/07 8:49 PM, in article
[email protected], "Bill Gates"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Yep this is an opinion. My opinion and the opinion of others. However
>> I see products that do the same things that are cheaper, much cheaper.
>
> do you have an example to illustrate your point?
>
> if not, you are lying.
Drugs. That is his answer. He has nothing.
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- 07-10-2007, 03:21 PM #32MuahManGuest
Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.
"Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > In article <gURji.1119$m%[email protected]>,
>> > "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Sparrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email protected]...
>> >> > Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> No ****. Apple and Jobs run under the philosophy of P.T. Barnum
>> >> or
>> >> whoever said, "There's a sucker born every minute" and "A fool and his
>> >> money
>> >> are soon parted."
>> >>
>> >> John
>> >
>> > Would you care to point us to a similar breakdown for a Treo or a
>> > Blackberry?
>>
>> If they're overpriced like the iPhone is.
>>
>> John
>
> Here's a clue, John:
>
> Something isn't automatically overpriced because you can add up the
> price of the components and have the total cost come out to less than n%
> of the price to the consumer.
>
> There are lots of costs that go into things that aren't included in a
> simple addition of the costs of the hardware. In the case of things like
> the iPhone (or Treo, or Blackberry) there's a lot of R&D that has to be
> paid for as well.
>
> --
> Alan Baker
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
> to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
> sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
R&D Expenses? Please, Apple steals all their technology and then uses
children slaves in China to build their products. I.E. Xerox.
- 07-10-2007, 08:37 PM #33George KerbyGuest
Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220,meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.
Kiss my ass MUAHBOY.
On 7/10/07 4:21 PM, in article [email protected],
"MuahMan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> In article <gURji.1119$m%[email protected]>,
>>>> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Sparrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No ****. Apple and Jobs run under the philosophy of P.T. Barnum
>>>>> or
>>>>> whoever said, "There's a sucker born every minute" and "A fool and his
>>>>> money
>>>>> are soon parted."
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> Would you care to point us to a similar breakdown for a Treo or a
>>>> Blackberry?
>>>
>>> If they're overpriced like the iPhone is.
>>>
>>> John
>>
>> Here's a clue, John:
>>
>> Something isn't automatically overpriced because you can add up the
>> price of the components and have the total cost come out to less than n%
>> of the price to the consumer.
>>
>> There are lots of costs that go into things that aren't included in a
>> simple addition of the costs of the hardware. In the case of things like
>> the iPhone (or Treo, or Blackberry) there's a lot of R&D that has to be
>> paid for as well.
>>
>> --
>> Alan Baker
>> Vancouver, British Columbia
>> "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
>> to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
>> sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
>
> R&D Expenses? Please, Apple steals all their technology and then uses
> children slaves in China to build their products. I.E. Xerox.
>
- 07-11-2007, 11:47 AM #34John SladeGuest
Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.
"Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > In article <gURji.1119$m%[email protected]>,
>> > "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Sparrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email protected]...
>> >> > Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> No ****. Apple and Jobs run under the philosophy of P.T. Barnum
>> >> or
>> >> whoever said, "There's a sucker born every minute" and "A fool and his
>> >> money
>> >> are soon parted."
>> >>
>> >> John
>> >
>> > Would you care to point us to a similar breakdown for a Treo or a
>> > Blackberry?
>>
>> If they're overpriced like the iPhone is.
>>
>> John
>
> Here's a clue, John:
>
> Something isn't automatically overpriced because you can add up the
> price of the components and have the total cost come out to less than n%
> of the price to the consumer.
Here's a better clue. Me saying an item is overpriced is an opinion so
you can't treat it like it's a fact.
>
> There are lots of costs that go into things that aren't included in a
> simple addition of the costs of the hardware. In the case of things like
> the iPhone (or Treo, or Blackberry) there's a lot of R&D that has to be
> paid for as well.
I know. However this has nothing to do with my opinion that the iPhone
is overpriced. You obviously don't think anything Apple does is overpriced
or wrong. You're just a parroting idiot and from now on, don't even bother
responding to me. Plonk!
John
- 07-11-2007, 11:49 AM #35Alan BakerGuest
Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.
In article <[email protected]>,
"John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> > In article <gURji.1119$m%[email protected]>,
> >> > "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Sparrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> >> > Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> No ****. Apple and Jobs run under the philosophy of P.T. Barnum
> >> >> or
> >> >> whoever said, "There's a sucker born every minute" and "A fool and his
> >> >> money
> >> >> are soon parted."
> >> >>
> >> >> John
> >> >
> >> > Would you care to point us to a similar breakdown for a Treo or a
> >> > Blackberry?
> >>
> >> If they're overpriced like the iPhone is.
> >>
> >> John
> >
> > Here's a clue, John:
> >
> > Something isn't automatically overpriced because you can add up the
> > price of the components and have the total cost come out to less than n%
> > of the price to the consumer.
>
>
> Here's a better clue. Me saying an item is overpriced is an opinion so
> you can't treat it like it's a fact.
If it's obvious that you're treating your opinion as if it were fact.
You: the iphone is overpriced because its components only cost n%, and I
won't examine similar devices because they're not overpriced.
>
> >
> > There are lots of costs that go into things that aren't included in a
> > simple addition of the costs of the hardware. In the case of things like
> > the iPhone (or Treo, or Blackberry) there's a lot of R&D that has to be
> > paid for as well.
>
> I know. However this has nothing to do with my opinion that the iPhone
> is overpriced. You obviously don't think anything Apple does is overpriced
> or wrong. You're just a parroting idiot and from now on, don't even bother
> responding to me. Plonk!
Wow.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
- 07-11-2007, 11:57 AM #36John SladeGuest
Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.
"Bill Gates" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Yep this is an opinion. My opinion and the opinion of others.
>> However
>> I see products that do the same things that are cheaper, much cheaper.
>
> do you have an example to illustrate your point?
>
> if not, you are lying.
No I'm not lying and you know it. There are tons of smartphones out
there that play and take video. They also have web browser and music
playback. I'm not going to waste my time picking out some to inform the
clueless here. If you don't know they exist then you're stupid or don't know
what you're talking about.
John
- 07-11-2007, 12:31 PM #37George GravesGuest
Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:49:51 -0700, Alan Baker wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> In article <gURji.1119$m%[email protected]>,
>>>>> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Sparrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>> Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No ****. Apple and Jobs run under the philosophy of P.T. Barnum
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> whoever said, "There's a sucker born every minute" and "A fool and his
>>>>>> money
>>>>>> are soon parted."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> Would you care to point us to a similar breakdown for a Treo or a
>>>>> Blackberry?
>>>>
>>>> If they're overpriced like the iPhone is.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>
>>> Here's a clue, John:
>>>
>>> Something isn't automatically overpriced because you can add up the
>>> price of the components and have the total cost come out to less than n%
>>> of the price to the consumer.
>>
>>
>> Here's a better clue. Me saying an item is overpriced is an opinion so
>> you can't treat it like it's a fact.
>
> If it's obvious that you're treating your opinion as if it were fact.
>
> You: the iphone is overpriced because its components only cost n%, and I
> won't examine similar devices because they're not overpriced.
>
>>
>>>
>>> There are lots of costs that go into things that aren't included in a
>>> simple addition of the costs of the hardware. In the case of things like
>>> the iPhone (or Treo, or Blackberry) there's a lot of R&D that has to be
>>> paid for as well.
>>
>> I know. However this has nothing to do with my opinion that the iPhone
>> is overpriced. You obviously don't think anything Apple does is overpriced
>> or wrong. You're just a parroting idiot and from now on, don't even bother
>> responding to me. Plonk!
>
> Wow.
Alan. Slade eventually Plonks everybody who disagrees with him. Welcome to
the club.
- 07-11-2007, 12:34 PM #38George GravesGuest
Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:57:25 -0700, John Slade wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):
>
> "Bill Gates" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Yep this is an opinion. My opinion and the opinion of others.
>>> However
>>> I see products that do the same things that are cheaper, much cheaper.
>>
>> do you have an example to illustrate your point?
>>
>> if not, you are lying.
>
> No I'm not lying and you know it. There are tons of smartphones out
> there that play and take video. They also have web browser and music
> playback. I'm not going to waste my time picking out some to inform the
> clueless here. If you don't know they exist then you're stupid or don't know
> what you're talking about.
>
> John
>
>
Yeah, there's the Nokia N95 at $700. Over $100 MORE expensive than a iPhone.
Slade, you're an idiot!
- 07-11-2007, 12:46 PM #39Todd AllcockGuest
Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit forApple.
At 11 Jul 2007 11:34:05 -0700 George Graves wrote:
> Yeah, there's the Nokia N95 at $700. Over $100 MORE expensive than a
iPhone.
> Slade, you're an idiot!
And AT&T's own 8525, $200 cheaper than an iPhone and has 3G.
Hell, my old Nokia 3650 had a video recorder, a web browser and can play
MP3s. It cost me $100 (subsidized) three years ago.
Again, none of these features are NEW- some are just better implemented
today. Again, that's a good thing. "iPhones do x, y, and z better" is
an arguable point. "iPhone is the first/only phone to do x, y, or z"
isn't...
--
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- 07-11-2007, 01:09 PM #40Alan BakerGuest
Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.
In article <[email protected]>,
George Graves <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:49:51 -0700, Alan Baker wrote
> (in article <[email protected]>):
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >>> In article <[email protected]>,
> >>> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>> news:[email protected]...
> >>>>> In article <gURji.1119$m%[email protected]>,
> >>>>> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "Sparrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:[email protected]...
> >>>>>>> Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No ****. Apple and Jobs run under the philosophy of P.T. Barnum
> >>>>>> or
> >>>>>> whoever said, "There's a sucker born every minute" and "A fool and his
> >>>>>> money
> >>>>>> are soon parted."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> John
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Would you care to point us to a similar breakdown for a Treo or a
> >>>>> Blackberry?
> >>>>
> >>>> If they're overpriced like the iPhone is.
> >>>>
> >>>> John
> >>>
> >>> Here's a clue, John:
> >>>
> >>> Something isn't automatically overpriced because you can add up the
> >>> price of the components and have the total cost come out to less than n%
> >>> of the price to the consumer.
> >>
> >>
> >> Here's a better clue. Me saying an item is overpriced is an opinion so
> >> you can't treat it like it's a fact.
> >
> > If it's obvious that you're treating your opinion as if it were fact.
> >
> > You: the iphone is overpriced because its components only cost n%, and I
> > won't examine similar devices because they're not overpriced.
> >
> >>
> >>>
> >>> There are lots of costs that go into things that aren't included in a
> >>> simple addition of the costs of the hardware. In the case of things like
> >>> the iPhone (or Treo, or Blackberry) there's a lot of R&D that has to be
> >>> paid for as well.
> >>
> >> I know. However this has nothing to do with my opinion that the iPhone
> >> is overpriced. You obviously don't think anything Apple does is overpriced
> >> or wrong. You're just a parroting idiot and from now on, don't even bother
> >> responding to me. Plonk!
> >
> > Wow.
>
>
> Alan. Slade eventually Plonks everybody who disagrees with him. Welcome to
> the club.
It never fails to amuse me when someone starts plonking people for
making cogent civil arguments.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
- 07-11-2007, 01:39 PM #41jasonpGuest
Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.
On Jul 11, 1:46 pm, Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
> At 11 Jul 2007 11:34:05 -0700 George Graves wrote:
>
>
>
> > Yeah, there's the Nokia N95 at $700. Over $100 MORE expensive than a
> iPhone.
> > Slade, you're an idiot!
>
> And AT&T's own 8525, $200 cheaper than an iPhone and has 3G.
>
> Hell, my old Nokia 3650 had a video recorder, a web browser and can play
> MP3s. It cost me $100 (subsidized) three years ago.
>
> Again, none of these features are NEW- some are just better implemented
> today. Again, that's a good thing. "iPhones do x, y, and z better" is
> an arguable point. "iPhone is the first/only phone to do x, y, or z"
> isn't...
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
The iPhone does Visual Voicemail. What other phone does that right
out of the box?
-Jason
- 07-11-2007, 04:36 PM #42George GravesGuest
Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:09:24 -0700, Alan Baker wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):
> In article <[email protected]>,
> George Graves <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:49:51 -0700, Alan Baker wrote
>> (in article <[email protected]>):
>>
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>> In article <gURji.1119$m%[email protected]>,
>>>>>>> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Sparrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>>>> Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No ****. Apple and Jobs run under the philosophy of P.T. Barnum
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> whoever said, "There's a sucker born every minute" and "A fool and his
>>>>>>>> money
>>>>>>>> are soon parted."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would you care to point us to a similar breakdown for a Treo or a
>>>>>>> Blackberry?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they're overpriced like the iPhone is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a clue, John:
>>>>>
>>>>> Something isn't automatically overpriced because you can add up the
>>>>> price of the components and have the total cost come out to less than n%
>>>>> of the price to the consumer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's a better clue. Me saying an item is overpriced is an opinion so
>>>> you can't treat it like it's a fact.
>>>
>>> If it's obvious that you're treating your opinion as if it were fact.
>>>
>>> You: the iphone is overpriced because its components only cost n%, and I
>>> won't examine similar devices because they're not overpriced.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are lots of costs that go into things that aren't included in a
>>>>> simple addition of the costs of the hardware. In the case of things like
>>>>> the iPhone (or Treo, or Blackberry) there's a lot of R&D that has to be
>>>>> paid for as well.
>>>>
>>>> I know. However this has nothing to do with my opinion that the iPhone
>>>> is overpriced. You obviously don't think anything Apple does is
>>>> overpriced
>>>> or wrong. You're just a parroting idiot and from now on, don't even
>>>> bother
>>>> responding to me. Plonk!
>>>
>>> Wow.
>>
>>
>> Alan. Slade eventually Plonks everybody who disagrees with him. Welcome to
>> the club.
>
> It never fails to amuse me when someone starts plonking people for
> making cogent civil arguments.
It's Slade's way. He always does that with everybody. He hates Apple and
everything - ANYTHING Apple does and if you don't agree, it's PLONK!
Actually I like being on Slade's plonk-list. I can still take him to task for
his stupidity and transparent hatred without him ever contradicting me. Try
it, you'll like it!
- 07-11-2007, 05:10 PM #43Todd AllcockGuest
Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit forApple.
At 11 Jul 2007 12:39:33 -0700 jasonp wrote:
> The iPhone does Visual Voicemail. What other phone does that right
> out of the box?
You got me. None.
Wow- it just a few posts we've knocked the iPhone down from "only device
that can do x# of amazing things" to "it can do Visual Voicemail OUT OF
THE BOX."
Every other e-mail and .wav-capable phone on the planet has to be setup
for it first...
ANY phone with POP/IMAP or push e-mail and a .wav player can have it for
free after a trip to www.callwave.com.
So, VV is not really a "new feature" either. The "bubbles" are clever,
but the concept (e-mail an audio file of the voicemail) is readily
available. Callwave has been touting it with full-page ads in the trades
since the iPhone was announced back in January.
Even "dumbphones," without e-mail or audio players can have the TEXT of
the VM message SMS'd to them within seconds of the VM message being left-
a sort of "poor man's VV."
Many of these posts do illustrate, however, how exactly RIGHT Apple was
about the cellphone market- obviously a lot of these "new features" of
the iPhone ARE too difficult to use, since many of us have already had
many, if not most, of the iPhone's capabilities and didn't even know it,
or at least how to exploit them! Look at "none" for example- he thought
Google Maps was an iPhone "first" and I'll bet his prior phone was
perfectly capable of running it. (Heck- even virtually all "free" phones
support Java, and therefore GMM!)
It'd be interesting to know what percentage of iPhone customers upgraded
from devices that already possessed many of the same capabilities.
- 07-11-2007, 07:04 PM #44das MegabyteGuest
Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.
Saying there is a $380 profit margin implies that you would be able to
take those $220 in components and combine them to create a smartphone.
I'm guessing you couldn't (I couldn't).
Which really makes that $380 a service charge you are paying Apple to
assemble them for you. Whether or not that service is worth it depends
on your requirements. If your requirements could have been met
completely by someone else for less, then you will find the iPhone over
priced for your needs.
In absolute economic terms, the iPhone is only overpriced if it cannot
be sold for the price asked (see: Playstation 3). This is obviously
not the case; Apple is selling tons of them. Eventually, the demand at
this price will dry up, and Apple will lower the price.
That isn't "over pricing." It's economics, it's psychology. New stuff
is more expensive because the stupid idiots who find satisfaction in
owning devices that meet their requirements will pay more.
I actually have, in the past -- in the early part of the decade I
bought a series of pocket pcs, the cheapest of which was $600 and the
most expensive over a thousand with modem and wifi costs added in, and
was unimpressed by each. The software didn't respond well to input.
Using them was a chore. They all got flipped on eBay to help purchase
my first iPod.
Remember: requirements for any product don't just include WHAT the
device does, they include HOW it does it. The iPhone does what it does
very well, in almost all cases better than any phone on the market
(smart or not). Using it is fast and enjoyable and involves very
little hunting, very shallow menus and communicative, usually intuitive
interfaces. Sure, there are imperfections on a 1.0 device, but on this
one there are precious few.
I hope they enjoy their $380. God damn did they earn it.
dasMB
- 07-11-2007, 08:13 PM #45KurtGuest
Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.
In article <[email protected]>,
Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
> It'd be interesting to know what percentage of iPhone customers upgraded
> from devices that already possessed many of the same capabilities.
I'll be running, not walking, from my Treo at end of year. I know many
fleeing Backberry, though the not the ones who have employers footing
the bill. They'll get an iPhone for personal use.
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