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  1. #31
    George Kerby
    Guest

    Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220,meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.




    On 7/9/07 8:49 PM, in article
    [email protected], "Bill Gates"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Yep this is an opinion. My opinion and the opinion of others. However
    >> I see products that do the same things that are cheaper, much cheaper.

    >
    > do you have an example to illustrate your point?
    >
    > if not, you are lying.

    Drugs. That is his answer. He has nothing.




    See More: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.




  2. #32
    MuahMan
    Guest

    Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.


    "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >> > In article <gURji.1119$m%[email protected]>,
    >> > "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> "Sparrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> >> news:[email protected]...
    >> >> > Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
    >> >> >
    >> >>
    >> >> No ****. Apple and Jobs run under the philosophy of P.T. Barnum
    >> >> or
    >> >> whoever said, "There's a sucker born every minute" and "A fool and his
    >> >> money
    >> >> are soon parted."
    >> >>
    >> >> John
    >> >
    >> > Would you care to point us to a similar breakdown for a Treo or a
    >> > Blackberry?

    >>
    >> If they're overpriced like the iPhone is.
    >>
    >> John

    >
    > Here's a clue, John:
    >
    > Something isn't automatically overpriced because you can add up the
    > price of the components and have the total cost come out to less than n%
    > of the price to the consumer.
    >
    > There are lots of costs that go into things that aren't included in a
    > simple addition of the costs of the hardware. In the case of things like
    > the iPhone (or Treo, or Blackberry) there's a lot of R&D that has to be
    > paid for as well.
    >
    > --
    > Alan Baker
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
    > to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
    > sit in the bottom of that cupboard."


    R&D Expenses? Please, Apple steals all their technology and then uses
    children slaves in China to build their products. I.E. Xerox.




  3. #33
    George Kerby
    Guest

    Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220,meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.

    Kiss my ass MUAHBOY.



    On 7/10/07 4:21 PM, in article [email protected],
    "MuahMan" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> In article <[email protected]>,
    >> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>> In article <gURji.1119$m%[email protected]>,
    >>>> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> "Sparrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>>>> Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> No ****. Apple and Jobs run under the philosophy of P.T. Barnum
    >>>>> or
    >>>>> whoever said, "There's a sucker born every minute" and "A fool and his
    >>>>> money
    >>>>> are soon parted."
    >>>>>
    >>>>> John
    >>>>
    >>>> Would you care to point us to a similar breakdown for a Treo or a
    >>>> Blackberry?
    >>>
    >>> If they're overpriced like the iPhone is.
    >>>
    >>> John

    >>
    >> Here's a clue, John:
    >>
    >> Something isn't automatically overpriced because you can add up the
    >> price of the components and have the total cost come out to less than n%
    >> of the price to the consumer.
    >>
    >> There are lots of costs that go into things that aren't included in a
    >> simple addition of the costs of the hardware. In the case of things like
    >> the iPhone (or Treo, or Blackberry) there's a lot of R&D that has to be
    >> paid for as well.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Alan Baker
    >> Vancouver, British Columbia
    >> "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
    >> to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
    >> sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

    >
    > R&D Expenses? Please, Apple steals all their technology and then uses
    > children slaves in China to build their products. I.E. Xerox.
    >





  4. #34
    John Slade
    Guest

    Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.


    "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >> > In article <gURji.1119$m%[email protected]>,
    >> > "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> "Sparrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> >> news:[email protected]...
    >> >> > Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
    >> >> >
    >> >>
    >> >> No ****. Apple and Jobs run under the philosophy of P.T. Barnum
    >> >> or
    >> >> whoever said, "There's a sucker born every minute" and "A fool and his
    >> >> money
    >> >> are soon parted."
    >> >>
    >> >> John
    >> >
    >> > Would you care to point us to a similar breakdown for a Treo or a
    >> > Blackberry?

    >>
    >> If they're overpriced like the iPhone is.
    >>
    >> John

    >
    > Here's a clue, John:
    >
    > Something isn't automatically overpriced because you can add up the
    > price of the components and have the total cost come out to less than n%
    > of the price to the consumer.



    Here's a better clue. Me saying an item is overpriced is an opinion so
    you can't treat it like it's a fact.

    >
    > There are lots of costs that go into things that aren't included in a
    > simple addition of the costs of the hardware. In the case of things like
    > the iPhone (or Treo, or Blackberry) there's a lot of R&D that has to be
    > paid for as well.


    I know. However this has nothing to do with my opinion that the iPhone
    is overpriced. You obviously don't think anything Apple does is overpriced
    or wrong. You're just a parroting idiot and from now on, don't even bother
    responding to me. Plonk!

    John





  5. #35
    Alan Baker
    Guest

    Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >> news:[email protected]...
    > >> > In article <gURji.1119$m%[email protected]>,
    > >> > "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> "Sparrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:[email protected]...
    > >> >> > Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
    > >> >> >
    > >> >>
    > >> >> No ****. Apple and Jobs run under the philosophy of P.T. Barnum
    > >> >> or
    > >> >> whoever said, "There's a sucker born every minute" and "A fool and his
    > >> >> money
    > >> >> are soon parted."
    > >> >>
    > >> >> John
    > >> >
    > >> > Would you care to point us to a similar breakdown for a Treo or a
    > >> > Blackberry?
    > >>
    > >> If they're overpriced like the iPhone is.
    > >>
    > >> John

    > >
    > > Here's a clue, John:
    > >
    > > Something isn't automatically overpriced because you can add up the
    > > price of the components and have the total cost come out to less than n%
    > > of the price to the consumer.

    >
    >
    > Here's a better clue. Me saying an item is overpriced is an opinion so
    > you can't treat it like it's a fact.


    If it's obvious that you're treating your opinion as if it were fact.

    You: the iphone is overpriced because its components only cost n%, and I
    won't examine similar devices because they're not overpriced.

    >
    > >
    > > There are lots of costs that go into things that aren't included in a
    > > simple addition of the costs of the hardware. In the case of things like
    > > the iPhone (or Treo, or Blackberry) there's a lot of R&D that has to be
    > > paid for as well.

    >
    > I know. However this has nothing to do with my opinion that the iPhone
    > is overpriced. You obviously don't think anything Apple does is overpriced
    > or wrong. You're just a parroting idiot and from now on, don't even bother
    > responding to me. Plonk!


    Wow.

    --
    Alan Baker
    Vancouver, British Columbia
    "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
    to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
    sit in the bottom of that cupboard."



  6. #36
    John Slade
    Guest

    Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.


    "Bill Gates" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Yep this is an opinion. My opinion and the opinion of others.
    >> However
    >> I see products that do the same things that are cheaper, much cheaper.

    >
    > do you have an example to illustrate your point?
    >
    > if not, you are lying.


    No I'm not lying and you know it. There are tons of smartphones out
    there that play and take video. They also have web browser and music
    playback. I'm not going to waste my time picking out some to inform the
    clueless here. If you don't know they exist then you're stupid or don't know
    what you're talking about.

    John





  7. #37
    George Graves
    Guest

    Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.

    On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:49:51 -0700, Alan Baker wrote
    (in article <[email protected]>):

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>> In article <[email protected]>,
    >>> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>>> In article <gURji.1119$m%[email protected]>,
    >>>>> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> "Sparrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>>>>> Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> No ****. Apple and Jobs run under the philosophy of P.T. Barnum
    >>>>>> or
    >>>>>> whoever said, "There's a sucker born every minute" and "A fool and his
    >>>>>> money
    >>>>>> are soon parted."
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> John
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Would you care to point us to a similar breakdown for a Treo or a
    >>>>> Blackberry?
    >>>>
    >>>> If they're overpriced like the iPhone is.
    >>>>
    >>>> John
    >>>
    >>> Here's a clue, John:
    >>>
    >>> Something isn't automatically overpriced because you can add up the
    >>> price of the components and have the total cost come out to less than n%
    >>> of the price to the consumer.

    >>
    >>
    >> Here's a better clue. Me saying an item is overpriced is an opinion so
    >> you can't treat it like it's a fact.

    >
    > If it's obvious that you're treating your opinion as if it were fact.
    >
    > You: the iphone is overpriced because its components only cost n%, and I
    > won't examine similar devices because they're not overpriced.
    >
    >>
    >>>
    >>> There are lots of costs that go into things that aren't included in a
    >>> simple addition of the costs of the hardware. In the case of things like
    >>> the iPhone (or Treo, or Blackberry) there's a lot of R&D that has to be
    >>> paid for as well.

    >>
    >> I know. However this has nothing to do with my opinion that the iPhone
    >> is overpriced. You obviously don't think anything Apple does is overpriced
    >> or wrong. You're just a parroting idiot and from now on, don't even bother
    >> responding to me. Plonk!

    >
    > Wow.



    Alan. Slade eventually Plonks everybody who disagrees with him. Welcome to
    the club.




  8. #38
    George Graves
    Guest

    Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.

    On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:57:25 -0700, John Slade wrote
    (in article <[email protected]>):

    >
    > "Bill Gates" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Yep this is an opinion. My opinion and the opinion of others.
    >>> However
    >>> I see products that do the same things that are cheaper, much cheaper.

    >>
    >> do you have an example to illustrate your point?
    >>
    >> if not, you are lying.

    >
    > No I'm not lying and you know it. There are tons of smartphones out
    > there that play and take video. They also have web browser and music
    > playback. I'm not going to waste my time picking out some to inform the
    > clueless here. If you don't know they exist then you're stupid or don't know
    > what you're talking about.
    >
    > John
    >
    >


    Yeah, there's the Nokia N95 at $700. Over $100 MORE expensive than a iPhone.
    Slade, you're an idiot!




  9. #39
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit forApple.

    At 11 Jul 2007 11:34:05 -0700 George Graves wrote:

    > Yeah, there's the Nokia N95 at $700. Over $100 MORE expensive than a

    iPhone.
    > Slade, you're an idiot!


    And AT&T's own 8525, $200 cheaper than an iPhone and has 3G.

    Hell, my old Nokia 3650 had a video recorder, a web browser and can play
    MP3s. It cost me $100 (subsidized) three years ago.

    Again, none of these features are NEW- some are just better implemented
    today. Again, that's a good thing. "iPhones do x, y, and z better" is
    an arguable point. "iPhone is the first/only phone to do x, y, or z"
    isn't...




    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com




  10. #40
    Alan Baker
    Guest

    Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.

    In article <[email protected]>,
    George Graves <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:49:51 -0700, Alan Baker wrote
    > (in article <[email protected]>):
    >
    > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >> news:[email protected]...
    > >>> In article <[email protected]>,
    > >>> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >>>> news:[email protected]...
    > >>>>> In article <gURji.1119$m%[email protected]>,
    > >>>>> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>> "Sparrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >>>>>> news:[email protected]...
    > >>>>>>> Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> No ****. Apple and Jobs run under the philosophy of P.T. Barnum
    > >>>>>> or
    > >>>>>> whoever said, "There's a sucker born every minute" and "A fool and his
    > >>>>>> money
    > >>>>>> are soon parted."
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> John
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> Would you care to point us to a similar breakdown for a Treo or a
    > >>>>> Blackberry?
    > >>>>
    > >>>> If they're overpriced like the iPhone is.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> John
    > >>>
    > >>> Here's a clue, John:
    > >>>
    > >>> Something isn't automatically overpriced because you can add up the
    > >>> price of the components and have the total cost come out to less than n%
    > >>> of the price to the consumer.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Here's a better clue. Me saying an item is overpriced is an opinion so
    > >> you can't treat it like it's a fact.

    > >
    > > If it's obvious that you're treating your opinion as if it were fact.
    > >
    > > You: the iphone is overpriced because its components only cost n%, and I
    > > won't examine similar devices because they're not overpriced.
    > >
    > >>
    > >>>
    > >>> There are lots of costs that go into things that aren't included in a
    > >>> simple addition of the costs of the hardware. In the case of things like
    > >>> the iPhone (or Treo, or Blackberry) there's a lot of R&D that has to be
    > >>> paid for as well.
    > >>
    > >> I know. However this has nothing to do with my opinion that the iPhone
    > >> is overpriced. You obviously don't think anything Apple does is overpriced
    > >> or wrong. You're just a parroting idiot and from now on, don't even bother
    > >> responding to me. Plonk!

    > >
    > > Wow.

    >
    >
    > Alan. Slade eventually Plonks everybody who disagrees with him. Welcome to
    > the club.


    It never fails to amuse me when someone starts plonking people for
    making cogent civil arguments.

    --
    Alan Baker
    Vancouver, British Columbia
    "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
    to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
    sit in the bottom of that cupboard."



  11. #41
    jasonp
    Guest

    Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.

    On Jul 11, 1:46 pm, Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
    > At 11 Jul 2007 11:34:05 -0700 George Graves wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > Yeah, there's the Nokia N95 at $700. Over $100 MORE expensive than a

    > iPhone.
    > > Slade, you're an idiot!

    >
    > And AT&T's own 8525, $200 cheaper than an iPhone and has 3G.
    >
    > Hell, my old Nokia 3650 had a video recorder, a web browser and can play
    > MP3s. It cost me $100 (subsidized) three years ago.
    >
    > Again, none of these features are NEW- some are just better implemented
    > today. Again, that's a good thing. "iPhones do x, y, and z better" is
    > an arguable point. "iPhone is the first/only phone to do x, y, or z"
    > isn't...
    >
    > --
    > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com



    The iPhone does Visual Voicemail. What other phone does that right
    out of the box?

    -Jason




  12. #42
    George Graves
    Guest

    Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.

    On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:09:24 -0700, Alan Baker wrote
    (in article <[email protected]>):

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > George Graves <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:49:51 -0700, Alan Baker wrote
    >> (in article <[email protected]>):
    >>
    >>> In article <[email protected]>,
    >>> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
    >>>>> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> "Alan Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>>>>> In article <gURji.1119$m%[email protected]>,
    >>>>>>> "John Slade" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> "Sparrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>>>>>>> Read all about it, here: http://Muvy.org
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> No ****. Apple and Jobs run under the philosophy of P.T. Barnum
    >>>>>>>> or
    >>>>>>>> whoever said, "There's a sucker born every minute" and "A fool and his
    >>>>>>>> money
    >>>>>>>> are soon parted."
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> John
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Would you care to point us to a similar breakdown for a Treo or a
    >>>>>>> Blackberry?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> If they're overpriced like the iPhone is.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> John
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Here's a clue, John:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Something isn't automatically overpriced because you can add up the
    >>>>> price of the components and have the total cost come out to less than n%
    >>>>> of the price to the consumer.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Here's a better clue. Me saying an item is overpriced is an opinion so
    >>>> you can't treat it like it's a fact.
    >>>
    >>> If it's obvious that you're treating your opinion as if it were fact.
    >>>
    >>> You: the iphone is overpriced because its components only cost n%, and I
    >>> won't examine similar devices because they're not overpriced.
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> There are lots of costs that go into things that aren't included in a
    >>>>> simple addition of the costs of the hardware. In the case of things like
    >>>>> the iPhone (or Treo, or Blackberry) there's a lot of R&D that has to be
    >>>>> paid for as well.
    >>>>
    >>>> I know. However this has nothing to do with my opinion that the iPhone
    >>>> is overpriced. You obviously don't think anything Apple does is
    >>>> overpriced
    >>>> or wrong. You're just a parroting idiot and from now on, don't even
    >>>> bother
    >>>> responding to me. Plonk!
    >>>
    >>> Wow.

    >>
    >>
    >> Alan. Slade eventually Plonks everybody who disagrees with him. Welcome to
    >> the club.

    >
    > It never fails to amuse me when someone starts plonking people for
    > making cogent civil arguments.


    It's Slade's way. He always does that with everybody. He hates Apple and
    everything - ANYTHING Apple does and if you don't agree, it's PLONK!
    Actually I like being on Slade's plonk-list. I can still take him to task for
    his stupidity and transparent hatred without him ever contradicting me. Try
    it, you'll like it!




  13. #43
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit forApple.

    At 11 Jul 2007 12:39:33 -0700 jasonp wrote:

    > The iPhone does Visual Voicemail. What other phone does that right
    > out of the box?


    You got me. None.

    Wow- it just a few posts we've knocked the iPhone down from "only device
    that can do x# of amazing things" to "it can do Visual Voicemail OUT OF
    THE BOX."

    Every other e-mail and .wav-capable phone on the planet has to be setup
    for it first...
    ANY phone with POP/IMAP or push e-mail and a .wav player can have it for
    free after a trip to www.callwave.com.

    So, VV is not really a "new feature" either. The "bubbles" are clever,
    but the concept (e-mail an audio file of the voicemail) is readily
    available. Callwave has been touting it with full-page ads in the trades
    since the iPhone was announced back in January.

    Even "dumbphones," without e-mail or audio players can have the TEXT of
    the VM message SMS'd to them within seconds of the VM message being left-
    a sort of "poor man's VV."

    Many of these posts do illustrate, however, how exactly RIGHT Apple was
    about the cellphone market- obviously a lot of these "new features" of
    the iPhone ARE too difficult to use, since many of us have already had
    many, if not most, of the iPhone's capabilities and didn't even know it,
    or at least how to exploit them! Look at "none" for example- he thought
    Google Maps was an iPhone "first" and I'll bet his prior phone was
    perfectly capable of running it. (Heck- even virtually all "free" phones
    support Java, and therefore GMM!)

    It'd be interesting to know what percentage of iPhone customers upgraded
    from devices that already possessed many of the same capabilities.




  14. #44
    das Megabyte
    Guest

    Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.

    Saying there is a $380 profit margin implies that you would be able to
    take those $220 in components and combine them to create a smartphone.
    I'm guessing you couldn't (I couldn't).

    Which really makes that $380 a service charge you are paying Apple to
    assemble them for you. Whether or not that service is worth it depends
    on your requirements. If your requirements could have been met
    completely by someone else for less, then you will find the iPhone over
    priced for your needs.

    In absolute economic terms, the iPhone is only overpriced if it cannot
    be sold for the price asked (see: Playstation 3). This is obviously
    not the case; Apple is selling tons of them. Eventually, the demand at
    this price will dry up, and Apple will lower the price.

    That isn't "over pricing." It's economics, it's psychology. New stuff
    is more expensive because the stupid idiots who find satisfaction in
    owning devices that meet their requirements will pay more.

    I actually have, in the past -- in the early part of the decade I
    bought a series of pocket pcs, the cheapest of which was $600 and the
    most expensive over a thousand with modem and wifi costs added in, and
    was unimpressed by each. The software didn't respond well to input.
    Using them was a chore. They all got flipped on eBay to help purchase
    my first iPod.

    Remember: requirements for any product don't just include WHAT the
    device does, they include HOW it does it. The iPhone does what it does
    very well, in almost all cases better than any phone on the market
    (smart or not). Using it is fast and enjoyable and involves very
    little hunting, very shallow menus and communicative, usually intuitive
    interfaces. Sure, there are imperfections on a 1.0 device, but on this
    one there are precious few.

    I hope they enjoy their $380. God damn did they earn it.
    dasMB




  15. #45
    Kurt
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    Re: The cost of making an iPhone may be as little as $220, meaning a $300-$400 profit for Apple.

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

    > It'd be interesting to know what percentage of iPhone customers upgraded
    > from devices that already possessed many of the same capabilities.


    I'll be running, not walking, from my Treo at end of year. I know many
    fleeing Backberry, though the not the ones who have employers footing
    the bill. They'll get an iPhone for personal use.

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