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- 07-12-2007, 12:32 PM #1noneGuest
Now the big news boys are starting to catch on to what I've been saying
about WiFi replacing Cell Phone Networks.
WSJ reported today....
Apple's iPhone, which has generated more than enough buzz itself, is
also corralling a lot of attention for wireless fidelity, or Wi-Fi
networks.
Since the iPhone's launch late last month, network services are
reporting more device connections on Wi-Fi networks as consumers seek a
faster connection to the Web. The technology is a double-edged sword for
carriers: While it provides a short-term benefit by reducing loads on
their cellular networks, it could potentially wrest away their control
over Internet service.
(exactly what i've said!)
If anyone has an account with WSJ, there is more here:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118419582680863931.html
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Basically what is going to happen is WiFi is going to replace the "for
pay" cell networks. The iPhone is GREAT at WiFi, so why pay a monthly
fee when you can talk for free? Steve Jobs knows this idea extremely
well, that's why he has ATT in a massive headlock upon the release of
iChat VOIP or iTalk (the chosen name for it)
Free calls to anywhere in the world from any iPhone to any iPhone is the
"PageMaker" of this coming era. (the old school cell guys like Tom Gay
Allcock & Justin, won't understand a word I'm saying) but Apple has just
pulled off one of the biggest (but admittedly, pending) social changes
to our world since "the phone". No joke!
It will be known as:
Bi & Ai
"Much like the Western calendar marks time from before and after Jesus
Christ, and how the computer world changed totally by the Macintosh -
- I am certain that the mobile telecoms world will count its time in two
Eras. The Era BI: time Before the iPhone, and the ERA AI: time After the
iPhone."
- Tomi T Ahonen
http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...ng_iphone.html
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There will be INCREDIBLE pressure to put up lowcost WiFi access points
everywhere in the world once the iPhone sells in the 40+ million range
(about 1.3 years away)
So for $20, you can broadcast a free connection to the internet, thus
making Cell Towers OBSOLETE. (unless you are hunting Buffalo, of course)
Quality Netgear stuff is CHEAP, so open your own tower today, and get
rid of those nasty "pay by the month" companies. Learn more here:
http://www.seattlewireless.net/AntennaHowTo
The whole hacker ethic is going to make sure Cell Towers SERVE no
purpose beyond, 2010. Is that a deal? yep! People still paying for
"cell" service in 2011 are idiots!
So now I know why Tom and Justin are mad at me, but I have to laugh,
since they have NO IDEA about how Apple operates.
When they enter a new "market" they nearly KILL it. They did it with
mainframes, they did it with accounting firms, they did it with
printers, they did it with CD music sellers, now they are going to wipe
out the "cell industry' as we know it.
Tom & Justin, you'll see what I'm saying in 2-6 years.
Been there, done that.
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- 07-12-2007, 01:07 PM #2Rod SpeedGuest
Re: Wall Street Journal, starting to catch my drift
none <[email protected]> wrote:
> Now the big news boys are starting to catch on to what
> I've been saying about WiFi replacing Cell Phone Networks.
Stupid child, they aint saying anything like your stupid pig ignorant claims.
> WSJ reported today....
> Apple's iPhone, which has generated more than enough buzz itself, is
> also corralling a lot of attention for wireless fidelity, or Wi-Fi networks.
Nothing like your stupid claim that cellphone networks are doomed now.
> Since the iPhone's launch late last month, network services
> are reporting more device connections on Wi-Fi networks
> as consumers seek a faster connection to the Web.
Nothing like your stupid claim that cellphone networks are doomed now.
> The technology is a double-edged sword for carriers: While it provides
> a short-term benefit by reducing loads on their cellular networks, it
> could potentially wrest away their control over Internet service.
Note those last two words, INTERNET SERVICE.
> (exactly what i've said!)
You're a pathological liar. YOU claimed that wifi would
replace the cellphone system FOR PHONE CALLS.
> If anyone has an account with WSJ, there is more here:
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118419582680863931.html
> ----
> Basically what is going to happen is WiFi is
> going to replace the "for pay" cell networks.
Nope, for range reasons alone.
And you might care to explain why anyone is going to be
installing all those free open access wifi systems when
they wont be making any money from that system if its free.
> The iPhone is GREAT at WiFi,
But not at voip.
> so why pay a monthly fee when you can talk for free?
Because you cant talk for free, you silly little ****wit child.
> Steve Jobs knows this idea extremely well, that's why
> he has ATT in a massive headlock upon the release
> of iChat VOIP or iTalk (the chosen name for it)
Its AT&T that has that fool Jobs in a headlock with the 2 year contract his
customers have to sign up for and pay for, you stupid pig ignorant child.
> Free calls to anywhere in the world from any iPhone to any iPhone
Just another of your silly little pig ignorant fantasys.
If that was currently so easy, everyone with a wifi laptop would be doing it.
Only a tiny subset of them do that, and that has
absolutely NO effect on the cellphone networks.
> is the "PageMaker" of this coming era. (the old school cell guys like
> Tom Gay Allcock & Justin, won't understand a word I'm saying) but
> Apple has just pulled off one of the biggest (but admittedly, pending)
> social changes to our world since "the phone". No joke!
You're a pathetic joke, child.
> It will be known as:
> Bi & Ai
Just JBS actually.
> "Much like the Western calendar marks time from before and after Jesus
> Christ, and how the computer world changed totally by the Macintosh -
> - I am certain that the mobile telecoms world will count its time in two Eras.
> The Era BI: time Before the iPhone, and the ERA AI: time After the iPhone."
You'll end up blind if you dont watch out child.
> - Tomi T Ahonen
> http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...ng_iphone.html
> -------
> There will be INCREDIBLE pressure to put up lowcost WiFi access points
> everywhere in the world once the iPhone sells in the 40+ million range
Pity you stupidly claimed they would be FREE, child.
> (about 1.3 years away)
Completely off with the ****ing fairys, as always.
> So for $20,
You've just plucked that number out of your stupid arse, child.
Its actually going to cost MORE than the cellphone network does because
the range of a base is much worse than with a cellphone network.
> you can broadcast a free connection to the internet,
Cant even manage a consistent line in mindlessly silly drivel.
> thus making Cell Towers OBSOLETE.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
> (unless you are hunting Buffalo, of course)
Or arent in a few spots in a large city either.
And they wont be allowing all the suckers stupid enough to
buy an iphone to use their free wifi for phone calls anyway.
> Quality Netgear stuff is CHEAP, so open your own tower today,
> and get rid of those nasty "pay by the month" companies.
Useless without one of those to connect it to, ****wit child.
> Learn more here:
> http://www.seattlewireless.net/AntennaHowTo
> The whole hacker ethic is going to make sure Cell Towers
> SERVE no purpose beyond, 2010. Is that a deal? yep!
> People still paying for "cell" service in 2011 are idiots!
How odd that that fool Jobs bothered to include a cellphone service in the iphone, child.
> So now I know why Tom and Justin are mad at me,
Just another of your silly little drug crazed fantasys, child.
They're actually laughing at your childish antics.
> but I have to laugh, since they have NO IDEA about how Apple operates.
Neither have you, child. So stupid you havent even managed to work
out why the iphone has a cellphone service, and that you are locked
into paying for that too unless you are actually stupid enough to not
use the cellphone networks when there is no wifi available.
> When they enter a new "market" they nearly KILL it.
The Newton didnt do anything like that, child. Its the Newton that got killed, child.
They didnt do that with their laptops either, child.
In spades with the Mac, its a complete yawn market share wise.
> They did it with mainframes,
Not a ****ing clue, as always.
> they did it with accounting firms,
Not a ****ing clue, as always.
> they did it with printers,
Not a ****ing clue, as always.
> they did it with CD music sellers,
Not a ****ing clue, as always.
> now they are going to wipe out the "cell industry' as we know it.
Not a ****ing clue, as always.
> Tom & Justin, you'll see what I'm saying in 2-6 years.
You claimed 1.3 years above, child.
> Been there, done that.
Yeah, wanked yourself blind in your bedroom, child.
- 07-12-2007, 01:23 PM #3Guest
Re: Wall Street Journal, starting to catch my drift
On Jul 12, 7:32 pm, none <[email protected]> wrote:
> Now the big news boys are starting to catch on to what I've been saying
> about WiFi replacing Cell Phone Networks.
In a fight between licensed radio spectrum and unlicensed radio
spectrum, the licensed will always win.
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2...25_000462.html
"Many people think current WiFi technology also threatens the telcos,
but it doesn't. For one thing, WiFi networks are just too darned
small, and if WiFi hotspot aggregation was going to be a successful
business, wouldn't we see one or more of the aggregators making money
by now? Yes, you could link together 100,000 or more hotspots and
create the equivalent of a wireless Baby Bell, but there simply isn't
that kind of money being put into commercial hotspots. Even the
boldest aggregation plan called for only 20,000 hotspots, and that
outfit is already out of business. It ain't gonna happen. And the
reason it won't is also because of WiFi's great strength -- the use of
unlicensed radio spectrum.
It is hard to build a business model around unlicensed radio
frequencies and here's why: Anyone can use them for any acceptable
purpose, no matter how stupid. If WiFi came to be a real threat to the
phone companies, they'd just start their own WiFi businesses to
undermine any possible hotspot success. This wouldn't be the
enlightened phone company cannibalizing its own network before someone
else does -- it would be the very unenlightened telephone company
trying to screw-up the WiFi space for everyone else.
All a Verizon, a BellSouth, or an SBC would have to do is throw their
own WiFi access points up on telephone poles all over town, but
instead of using them for Internet access, they'd use them to
continuously broadcast bad movies on every available channel. As long
as a real service was being offered, even if it is a service being
used by only phone company employees (training videos, 24/7) then the
FCC could not classify this use spectrum as causing "egregious
interference." No foul, but also no reliable WiFi service, either,
just all "Plan 9 From Outer Space" all the time. And that's why the
phone company doesn't worry about WiFi."
A more credible threat to cellphone networks is WiMax, but that is
already owned by the very same cellphone providers...
- 07-12-2007, 01:46 PM #4noneGuest
Re: Wall Street Journal, starting to catch my drift
[email protected] wrote:
> On Jul 12, 7:32 pm, none <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Now the big news boys are starting to catch on to what I've been saying
> > about WiFi replacing Cell Phone Networks.
>
> In a fight between licensed radio spectrum and unlicensed radio
> spectrum, the licensed will always win.
>
> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2...25_000462.html
>
> "Many people think current WiFi technology also threatens the telcos,
> but it doesn't. For one thing, WiFi networks are just too darned
> small, and if WiFi hotspot aggregation was going to be a successful
> business, wouldn't we see one or more of the aggregators making money
> by now? Yes, you could link together 100,000 or more hotspots and
> create the equivalent of a wireless Baby Bell, but there simply isn't
> that kind of money being put into commercial hotspots. Even the
> boldest aggregation plan called for only 20,000 hotspots, and that
> outfit is already out of business. It ain't gonna happen. And the
> reason it won't is also because of WiFi's great strength -- the use of
> unlicensed radio spectrum.
>
> It is hard to build a business model around unlicensed radio
> frequencies and here's why: Anyone can use them for any acceptable
> purpose, no matter how stupid. If WiFi came to be a real threat to the
> phone companies, they'd just start their own WiFi businesses to
> undermine any possible hotspot success. This wouldn't be the
> enlightened phone company cannibalizing its own network before someone
> else does -- it would be the very unenlightened telephone company
> trying to screw-up the WiFi space for everyone else.
>
> A more credible threat to cellphone networks is WiMax, but that is
> already owned by the very same cellphone providers...
yes, but established printers in the 80's said the same thing about the
LaserWriter, now 90% of those printers are "gone", put out of business
by a device that cost 2% of what they were selling.
and while i'll agree in years 2, 3, 4... desperate cell companies will
put up WiFi points and STILL TRY and charge for their service, but if
you are reading this, you know that's a pure LIE.
WiFi is FREE, anyone can put up their own antenna and broadcast
bandwidth for miles for nearly free. You just need to learn about
antennas, which is completely free.
Companies like Buffalo ***** the end of Sprint, ATT, TMobile, Verizon.
http://www.buffalotech.com/products/wireless/
Will it happen next year? or even by 2009? nope! but it will happen,
just like how the LaserWriter changed business printing and wiped out
1000's of traditional printers along the way.
Apple is just like that, they have "no respect for the status quo".
This is how it works, watch and learn what the iPhone is about to do to
the "for pay" networks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No1MxAnHuJM
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ps: appl stock has shot up a full point since i wrote this note
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- 07-12-2007, 01:50 PM #5NewsGuest
Re: Wall Street Journal, starting to catch my drift
none wrote:
> ps: appl stock has shot up a full point since i wrote this note
At least you are a blindingly f'n transparent shill. I'll give you that.
- 07-12-2007, 02:08 PM #6noneGuest
Re: Wall Street Journal, starting to catch my drift
In article <[email protected]>, News <[email protected]> wrote:
> none wrote:
> > ps: appl stock has shot up a full point since i wrote this note
>
>
> At least you are a blindingly f'n transparent shill. I'll give you that.
??? what does shill mean?
it's now up 1.36, and that's just based on the iPhone success, nothing
what I have said, except what the WSJ has said that cell companies will
probably die because of the wifi iphone.
is that what you mean?
- 07-12-2007, 02:12 PM #7NewsGuest
Re: Wall Street Journal, starting to catch my drift
none wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, News <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>none wrote:
>>
>>>ps: appl stock has shot up a full point since i wrote this note
>>
>>
>>At least you are a blindingly f'n transparent shill. I'll give you that.
>
>
> ??? what does shill mean?
>
My bad. Make that blindingly disingenuous f'n transparent shill.
- 07-12-2007, 02:20 PM #8noneGuest
Re: Wall Street Journal, starting to catch my drift
In article <[email protected]>, News <[email protected]> wrote:
> My bad. Make that blindingly disingenuous f'n transparent shill.
apple is at at all time high as i post this, 134.07 is that what you
mean?
or are you starting to understand that apple will control the entire
cell industry in 10 years?
please advise.
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- 07-12-2007, 02:34 PM #9NewsGuest
Re: Wall Street Journal, starting to catch my drift
none wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, News <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>My bad. Make that blindingly disingenuous f'n transparent shill.
>
>
> apple is at at all time high
So's the market. Big woo.
> or are you starting to understand that apple will control the entire
> cell industry in 10 years?
LOL. I'll put this in my tickler file for 2017.
Do write back.
I'll check it on my HP iPaq.
Meanwhile, you can check the def of "shill"...
- 07-12-2007, 02:48 PM #10Peter HayesGuest
Re: Wall Street Journal, starting to catch my drift
none <[email protected]> wrote:
> WiFi is FREE, anyone can put up their own antenna and broadcast
> bandwidth for miles for nearly free. You just need to learn about
> antennas, which is completely free.
http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials...le.php/1428941
"When using omni-directional antennas having less than 6 dB gain [...],
the FCC rules require EIRP to be 1 watt (1,000 milliwatts) or less."
Directional antennas are useless for anyone hoping to broadcast
bandwidth for miles so you're limited to 1 watt EIRP which certainly
won't go for miles, or even one mile.
No amount of learning about antennas will fix that.
--
Immunity is better than innoculation.
Peter
- 07-12-2007, 03:23 PM #11noneGuest
Re: Wall Street Journal, starting to catch my drift
[email protected] (Peter Hayes) wrote:
> > WiFi is FREE, anyone can put up their own antenna and broadcast
> > bandwidth for miles for nearly free. You just need to learn about
> > antennas, which is completely free.
>
> http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials...le.php/1428941
>
> "When using omni-directional antennas having less than 6 dB gain [...],
> the FCC rules require EIRP to be 1 watt (1,000 milliwatts) or less."
yes, peter but the FCC isn't going to spend money on "testing rules"...
in america it doesn't work that way. freedom is much more important than
"rules", the FCC has 4 part time people for the entire US that test this
stuff, so rules don't matter with the overriding goal is to change
worldwide society.
> Directional antennas are useless for anyone hoping to broadcast
> bandwidth for miles so you're limited to 1 watt EIRP which certainly
> won't go for miles, or even one mile.
>
> No amount of learning about antennas will fix that.
but again, the FCC isn't going to be checking for this, only the CELL
companies... once they are being strapped for cash, from being SUCKED
dry by wifi will it happen, so it's a moot point at least in a free
country.
put up all the 802.11 wireless antennas you want, you will NOT be
harassed.
mine is called "iPhone" and reaches around 800 feet, for free!
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- 07-12-2007, 04:29 PM #12Daniel PackmanGuest
Re: Wall Street Journal, starting to catch my drift
In article <[email protected]>,
none <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, News <[email protected]> wrote:
......
>or are you starting to understand that apple will control the entire
>cell industry in 10 years?
It seems likely that the iphone has redefined the user interface,
but if Apple follows its past history, it might dominate the high
end, but won't be interested in low margin entry level units.
- 07-12-2007, 04:54 PM #13The Natural PhilosopherGuest
Re: Wall Street Journal, starting to catch my drift
none wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, News <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> My bad. Make that blindingly disingenuous f'n transparent shill.
>
> apple is at at all time high as i post this, 134.07 is that what you
> mean?
>
> or are you starting to understand that apple will control the entire
> cell industry in 10 years?
>
Don;t be dumb.
There will be me2 copies if the iphone at half the price in a years time.
> please advise.
>
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- 07-12-2007, 04:57 PM #14The Natural PhilosopherGuest
Re: Wall Street Journal, starting to catch my drift
none wrote:
> [email protected] (Peter Hayes) wrote:
>
>>> WiFi is FREE, anyone can put up their own antenna and broadcast
>>> bandwidth for miles for nearly free. You just need to learn about
>>> antennas, which is completely free.
>> http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials...le.php/1428941
>>
>> "When using omni-directional antennas having less than 6 dB gain [...],
>> the FCC rules require EIRP to be 1 watt (1,000 milliwatts) or less."
>
> yes, peter but the FCC isn't going to spend money on "testing rules"...
> in america it doesn't work that way. freedom is much more important than
> "rules", the FCC has 4 part time people for the entire US that test this
> stuff, so rules don't matter with the overriding goal is to change
> worldwide society.
>
>> Directional antennas are useless for anyone hoping to broadcast
>> bandwidth for miles so you're limited to 1 watt EIRP which certainly
>> won't go for miles, or even one mile.
>>
>> No amount of learning about antennas will fix that.
>
> but again, the FCC isn't going to be checking for this, only the CELL
> companies... once they are being strapped for cash, from being SUCKED
> dry by wifi will it happen, so it's a moot point at least in a free
> country.
>
> put up all the 802.11 wireless antennas you want, you will NOT be
> harassed.
No, but they will in time interfere with each other, and when heavily
used, give limited bandwidth, and not work reliably in all weather
conditions beyond a hundred meters or so, and in any case be fed by the
existing TELCOS backbones of fiber and copper.
And be effing useless outside of cities.
Where mobile phone technology offers a far better performance.
>
> mine is called "iPhone" and reaches around 800 feet, for free!
>
> -
- 07-12-2007, 05:01 PM #15Jochem HuhmannGuest
Re: Wall Street Journal, starting to catch my drift
[email protected] (Daniel Packman) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> none <[email protected]> wrote:
>>In article <[email protected]>, News <[email protected]> wrote:
> .....
>>or are you starting to understand that apple will control the entire
>>cell industry in 10 years?
>
> It seems likely that the iphone has redefined the user interface,
> but if Apple follows its past history, it might dominate the high
> end, but won't be interested in low margin entry level units.
If you leave things like web browsing and email alone, there's no reason
why a smaller and much simpler iPhone nano shouldnt work very much the
same way (touchscreen, screen and keyboard always in landscape mode).
Let them come up with an iPod with a touchscreen first, so the screen
gets cheaper...
Anyway, I'm quite sure Apple has other things to care for right now.
Jochem
--
"A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no
longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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