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  1. #31
    Kurt
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    Re: Newsgroups and "Charters"

    In article <[email protected]>, "Tinman" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > "Kurt" wrote:
    > >
    > > BTW- just bought iPhone for my wife today (she's never been excited
    > > about any phone until now). Apple store had plenty of 8s but (of course)
    > > no 4s.

    >
    > Oh sure, give the wife the cheaper version <g>. (I shouldn't even joke: my
    > wife is likely to get my Treo 650, for which she will use it to make phone
    > calls, SMS, and play solitaire.)


    She wanted the cheaper because she'll never really use it as an iPod or
    for other storage. She's never wanted to go near my 650 because it was
    too complicated to use,
    >
    >
    > >
    > > I'll keep my Treo for a while longer (so I can get it unlocked for
    > > better resale).

    >
    > I still have my Treo 650 (didn't port my number as I was concerned about
    > at&t coverage where I live). So far I seem to be doing OK coverage-wise.
    > I've been testing call quality between the Treo and iPhone (wife got fed up
    > with that so I had to resort to leaving messages from both devices on our
    > home answering machine). Anyway it was surprising how much clearer the
    > messages from the iPhone were, compared to my Treo. Don't think it's Sprint
    > since I seem to have much better signal with Sprint. Maybe my Treo is just
    > getting old (it's had its share of falls and bumps--including one from my
    > motorcycle a week or so back).


    Yes,. that was a great tale of losing your Treo off the back of your
    bike. For me, Treo had voice quality issues from the get-go. I had to
    install VolumeCare to get the handset volume up. Works fine now.
    Have a rubber skin on it that keeps it pretty protected.

    Now, I just need to figure out how to get my wife's Entourage address
    book into the IBook. MMS is probably lagging behind in this department
    (but haven't looked)
    >
    > The bad thing is that I have trouble looking at my Treo now. The keyboard
    > that I bragged so much about now seems tiny and cramped. Guess it's what you
    > are used to as when I was mainly using my Treo and just testing an iPhone I
    > thought *for sure* the iPhone's keyboard would be a major downgrade. YMMV.


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  2. #32
    SMS
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    Re: Newsgroups and "Charters"

    Kurt wrote:

    > BTW- just bought iPhone for my wife today (she's never been excited
    > about any phone until now). Apple store had plenty of 8s but (of course)
    > no 4s.


    On the launch day, people were complaining about plenty of 4s but no 8s.
    If you're spending that much on a phone, just get the 8 already.



  3. #33
    Tinman
    Guest

    Re: Newsgroups and "Charters"

    "Kurt" wrote:
    >>
    >> Oh sure, give the wife the cheaper version <g>. (I shouldn't even joke:
    >> my
    >> wife is likely to get my Treo 650, for which she will use it to make
    >> phone
    >> calls, SMS, and play solitaire.)

    >
    > She wanted the cheaper because she'll never really use it as an iPod or
    > for other storage. She's never wanted to go near my 650 because it was
    > too complicated to use,


    Yea I never owned an iPod, other than buying one for my daughter and setting
    up iTunes on her computer. And as I only used my Treo with a 2 GB SD card
    (originally 1 GB) which I never removed--unless it popped out accidentally,
    grrrr--I originally was going to get the 4 GB iPhone. So far it's (8 GB
    model) about 50% full, though I have added a ridiculous number of photos
    (many dups). Also added a bunch of podcasts and video (mostly free but I did
    buy a few TV shows).

    I didn't buy the iPhone for its iPhone functionality but it's starting to
    grow on me now that I'm more familiar with iTunes. Not sure how long this
    will last as when I first got my Treo I used it for music too--and now the
    same tracks I loaded back in 2005 are still on it (though I did stop using
    it for music when the made-for-Treo headset I had broke). Time will tell.


    > For me, Treo had voice quality issues from the get-go. I had to
    > install VolumeCare to get the handset volume up. Works fine now.


    Oh definitely agree with VolumeCare; don't think I would have kept my Treo
    if that wasn't available.

    Indeed after reading about iPhone volume complaints I was concerned it would
    be like my Treo, sans VC--with no add-on apps to help correct. To me the
    iPhone is not nearly as bad as my Treo but it's not as loud as I would like
    either, particularly the speakerphone. Not bad enough to be a deal-killer
    though and the sound quality seems better than the distorted sound I often
    heard with VC. Also believe this should be fixable as the volume from say
    YouTube on my iPhone is a heck of a lot louder than when using the same
    speaker on a call.


    > Have a rubber skin on it that keeps it pretty protected.


    Might have to get something for my iPhone. If--or with me it's "when"--I
    drop it again I might not be so lucky.


    >
    > Now, I just need to figure out how to get my wife's Entourage address
    > book into the IBook. MMS is probably lagging behind in this department
    > (but haven't looked)


    As I PC user I was concerned about Outlook. Actually I still am since the
    iPhone doesn't have To-Do lists and doesn't sync Notes. Notes I can probably
    get by with by using Contacts and prefacing the name of the notes with a #
    so they sort at the end of the contacts list. To-dos are a bit trickier,
    though I haven't been using them much of late (same with categories, though
    I still would like that feature).

    What I was most worried about was notes within Contacts. I use them a lot
    and in the earlier days of Palm hated that it didn't support the same number
    of characters as Outlook (was fine by the time I got the Treo). Playing with
    the iPhone in the store didn't give me much confidence as adding a Note is
    done via the "Add Field" function. But to my surprise every character in
    every contact note I have came over to the iPhone. It's not perfect, as the
    end of really long notes can only be viewed when in edit mode, with the
    keyboard taking up half the screen, but that part is not much different than
    my Treo--and waaaayyy better IMO than WinMob's approach (though to its
    credit at least WinMob allows formatting of notes).


    --
    Mike





  4. #34
    John Navas
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    Re: Newsgroups and "Charters"

    On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:49:52 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >Scott wrote:
    >> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
    >> news:[email protected]:
    >>
    >>
    >>> "A little learning is a dangerous thing." [Alexander Pope]

    >>
    >> As you prove every time you post.
    >>
    >>> "It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
    >>> than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." [Mark Twain]
    >>>

    >>
    >> And yet you continue to post.

    >
    >"The problem with arguing with a crazy person is that onlookers will
    >have trouble telling which is the nut."


    "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
    difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
    boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford

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  5. #35
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Newsgroups and "Charters"

    Tinman wrote:

    > What I was most worried about was notes within Contacts. I use them a lot
    > and in the earlier days of Palm hated that it didn't support the same number
    > of characters as Outlook (was fine by the time I got the Treo). Playing with
    > the iPhone in the store didn't give me much confidence as adding a Note is
    > done via the "Add Field" function. But to my surprise every character in
    > every contact note I have came over to the iPhone. It's not perfect, as the
    > end of really long notes can only be viewed when in edit mode, with the
    > keyboard taking up half the screen, but that part is not much different than
    > my Treo--and waaaayyy better IMO than WinMob's approach (though to its
    > credit at least WinMob allows formatting of notes).


    The iPhone is a nice web browser on Wi-Fi, and music player. Not such a
    great world phone since you can't use prepaid SIM cards. Not a great
    phone for the U.S. since Cingular's network is so poor compared to
    Verizon's. Not a good phone for using the data over AT&T due to the slow
    speed.

    Now that it's been hacked to at least allow the use of AT&T SIM cards
    other than the iPhone SIM card, at least you can use it without
    subscribing to the $60 iPhone plans, or you can use it just as a Wi-Fi
    web browser and iPod.



  6. #36
    Kurt
    Guest

    Re: Newsgroups and "Charters"

    In article <[email protected]>,
    SMS <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Tinman wrote:
    >
    > > What I was most worried about was notes within Contacts. I use them a lot
    > > and in the earlier days of Palm hated that it didn't support the same
    > > number
    > > of characters as Outlook (was fine by the time I got the Treo). Playing
    > > with
    > > the iPhone in the store didn't give me much confidence as adding a Note is
    > > done via the "Add Field" function. But to my surprise every character in
    > > every contact note I have came over to the iPhone. It's not perfect, as the
    > > end of really long notes can only be viewed when in edit mode, with the
    > > keyboard taking up half the screen, but that part is not much different
    > > than
    > > my Treo--and waaaayyy better IMO than WinMob's approach (though to its
    > > credit at least WinMob allows formatting of notes).

    >
    > The iPhone is a nice web browser on Wi-Fi, and music player. Not such a
    > great world phone since you can't use prepaid SIM cards. Not a great
    > phone for the U.S. since Cingular's network is so poor compared to
    > Verizon's. Not a good phone for using the data over AT&T due to the slow
    > speed.
    >
    > Now that it's been hacked to at least allow the use of AT&T SIM cards
    > other than the iPhone SIM card, at least you can use it without
    > subscribing to the $60 iPhone plans, or you can use it just as a Wi-Fi
    > web browser and iPod.


    I will be merging the iPhone into my family plan and the only thing that
    changes is an additional $20 for the data plan (which I never had on the
    other phone to begin with).

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  7. #37
    Kurt
    Guest

    Re: Newsgroups and "Charters"

    In article <[email protected]>,
    John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:49:52 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
    > wrote in <[email protected]>:
    >
    > >Scott wrote:
    > >> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
    > >> news:[email protected]:
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>> "A little learning is a dangerous thing." [Alexander Pope]
    > >>
    > >> As you prove every time you post.
    > >>
    > >>> "It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
    > >>> than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." [Mark Twain]
    > >>>
    > >>
    > >> And yet you continue to post.

    > >
    > >"The problem with arguing with a crazy person is that onlookers will
    > >have trouble telling which is the nut."

    >
    > "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
    > difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
    > boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford


    lonleyguy15

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  8. #38
    Kurt
    Guest

    Re: Newsgroups and "Charters"

    In article <[email protected]>, "Tinman" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > "Kurt" wrote:
    > >>
    > >> Oh sure, give the wife the cheaper version <g>. (I shouldn't even joke:
    > >> my
    > >> wife is likely to get my Treo 650, for which she will use it to make
    > >> phone
    > >> calls, SMS, and play solitaire.)

    > >
    > > She wanted the cheaper because she'll never really use it as an iPod or
    > > for other storage. She's never wanted to go near my 650 because it was
    > > too complicated to use,

    >
    > Yea I never owned an iPod, other than buying one for my daughter and setting
    > up iTunes on her computer. And as I only used my Treo with a 2 GB SD card
    > (originally 1 GB) which I never removed--unless it popped out accidentally,
    > grrrr--I originally was going to get the 4 GB iPhone. So far it's (8 GB
    > model) about 50% full, though I have added a ridiculous number of photos
    > (many dups). Also added a bunch of podcasts and video (mostly free but I did
    > buy a few TV shows).
    >
    > I didn't buy the iPhone for its iPhone functionality but it's starting to
    > grow on me now that I'm more familiar with iTunes. Not sure how long this
    > will last as when I first got my Treo I used it for music too--and now the
    > same tracks I loaded back in 2005 are still on it (though I did stop using
    > it for music when the made-for-Treo headset I had broke). Time will tell.


    I love iTunes. Listen to iTunes Radio during the day. Have podcasts of
    favorite NPR shows for the car (Tivo for the radio). I hear music and
    buy it immediately as download or CD from Amazon. You can't beat it.
    >
    >
    > > For me, Treo had voice quality issues from the get-go. I had to
    > > install VolumeCare to get the handset volume up. Works fine now.

    >
    > Oh definitely agree with VolumeCare; don't think I would have kept my Treo
    > if that wasn't available.
    >
    > Indeed after reading about iPhone volume complaints I was concerned it would
    > be like my Treo, sans VC--with no add-on apps to help correct. To me the
    > iPhone is not nearly as bad as my Treo but it's not as loud as I would like
    > either, particularly the speakerphone. Not bad enough to be a deal-killer
    > though and the sound quality seems better than the distorted sound I often
    > heard with VC. Also believe this should be fixable as the volume from say
    > YouTube on my iPhone is a heck of a lot louder than when using the same
    > speaker on a call.


    I think simple update will fix this.
    >
    >
    > > Have a rubber skin on it that keeps it pretty protected.

    >
    > Might have to get something for my iPhone. If--or with me it's "when"--I
    > drop it again I might not be so lucky.


    Black neoprene. cheap on eBay.

    > >
    > > Now, I just need to figure out how to get my wife's Entourage address
    > > book into the IBook. MMS is probably lagging behind in this department
    > > (but haven't looked)

    >
    > As I PC user I was concerned about Outlook. Actually I still am since the
    > iPhone doesn't have To-Do lists and doesn't sync Notes. Notes I can probably
    > get by with by using Contacts and prefacing the name of the notes with a #
    > so they sort at the end of the contacts list. To-dos are a bit trickier,
    > though I haven't been using them much of late (same with categories, though
    > I still would like that feature).
    >
    > What I was most worried about was notes within Contacts. I use them a lot
    > and in the earlier days of Palm hated that it didn't support the same number
    > of characters as Outlook (was fine by the time I got the Treo). Playing with
    > the iPhone in the store didn't give me much confidence as adding a Note is
    > done via the "Add Field" function. But to my surprise every character in
    > every contact note I have came over to the iPhone. It's not perfect, as the
    > end of really long notes can only be viewed when in edit mode, with the
    > keyboard taking up half the screen, but that part is not much different than
    > my Treo--and waaaayyy better IMO than WinMob's approach (though to its
    > credit at least WinMob allows formatting of notes).


    I use my Treo more for web and voice than anything else. Never really
    use text messaging. Some email on trips, but better to use laptop. I run
    an advertising graphics and web design business anyway. More images and
    conceptual stuff. I sync with my Palm Desktop -all the important info I
    need.

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  9. #39
    Tinman
    Guest

    Re: Newsgroups and "Charters"

    "SMS" wrote:
    > Tinman wrote:
    >
    >> What I was most worried about was notes within Contacts. I use them a lot
    >> and in the earlier days of Palm hated that it didn't support the same
    >> number of characters as Outlook (was fine by the time I got the Treo).
    >> Playing with the iPhone in the store didn't give me much confidence as
    >> adding a Note is done via the "Add Field" function. But to my surprise
    >> every character in every contact note I have came over to the iPhone.
    >> It's not perfect, as the end of really long notes can only be viewed when
    >> in edit mode, with the keyboard taking up half the screen, but that part
    >> is not much different than my Treo--and waaaayyy better IMO than WinMob's
    >> approach (though to its credit at least WinMob allows formatting of
    >> notes).

    >
    > The iPhone is a nice web browser on Wi-Fi, and music player.


    It does video well too, better than the PDAs or smartphones I've owned in
    the past. And the iTunes thing makes the music and video features seem more
    attractive. As noted I never really kept music updated on my Treo (or
    video). The iPhone/iTunes combo seems to make this less likely, if only for
    that damn store temping me every now and then.

    Moreover I have no issue with the Contacts app, and the calendar is fine for
    my needs. That's about the only must-haves for my PDA usage (though To-Dos
    would be nice).

    There are some things that aren't clear unless you actually sync too. For
    example I was a bit concerned about the calendar's apparent limitation with
    alarms. I sometimes like to be reminded a week or two in advance but I
    couldn't enter anything except preset alerts on the iPhone (5-30 min, 1-2
    hours, and 1-2 days before the event). Turns out it syncs any value from
    Outlook. I can deal with that minor issue for on-device usage (my appts are
    entered via Outlook most of the time anyway--and the ones that aren't
    usually have reminders within range of what the calendar on the iPhone can
    do).


    > Not such a great world phone since you can't use prepaid SIM cards.


    Not much of an issue for me. I've never even had GSM service here in the US
    before (AMPS->TDMA->CDMA).

    And since it's not marketed for business use--can't even activate it on a
    business account--I doubt this will be a major issue in general.


    > Not a great phone for the U.S. since Cingular's network is so poor
    > compared to Verizon's. Not a good phone for using the data over AT&T due
    > to the slow speed.


    Those are actually bonuses in my case. For starters, Verizon has ZERO native
    coverage where I live (NW AZ). So at the moment I'm quite happy Apple went
    with at&t (doubt they would have gone with Sprint).

    Second, Sprint has no EV-DO nor any indication they will be adding it
    anytime soon around here. So Edge is actually an improvement. Granted 3G
    would be nice for when I travel, but WiFi is nice too.


    >
    > Now that it's been hacked to at least allow the use of AT&T SIM cards
    > other than the iPhone SIM card, at least you can use it without
    > subscribing to the $60 iPhone plans, or you can use it just as a Wi-Fi web
    > browser and iPod.


    Yep. The reverse is true as well: you can use the iPhone SIM in another at&t
    phone, including 3G phones (read at least one report of a someone not only
    using it with a Blackjack, but tethering with it too).

    Finally I highly doubt what is out for the iPhone at the moment is all
    there'll be. Surely there will be improvements, and other apps.


    --
    Mike








  10. #40
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Newsgroups and "Charters"

    On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:09:57 -0700, "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >"SMS" wrote:


    >> The iPhone is a nice web browser on Wi-Fi, and music player.

    >
    >It does video well too, better than the PDAs or smartphones I've owned in
    >the past.


    My RAZR V3xx is just as good.

    >And the iTunes thing makes the music and video features seem more
    >attractive.


    My RAZR V3xx works just as well with iTunes Agent.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  11. #41
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Newsgroups and "Charters"

    On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:12:11 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >Tinman wrote:
    >
    >> What I was most worried about was notes within Contacts. I use them a lot
    >> and in the earlier days of Palm hated that it didn't support the same number
    >> of characters as Outlook (was fine by the time I got the Treo). Playing with
    >> the iPhone in the store didn't give me much confidence as adding a Note is
    >> done via the "Add Field" function. But to my surprise every character in
    >> every contact note I have came over to the iPhone. It's not perfect, as the
    >> end of really long notes can only be viewed when in edit mode, with the
    >> keyboard taking up half the screen, but that part is not much different than
    >> my Treo--and waaaayyy better IMO than WinMob's approach (though to its
    >> credit at least WinMob allows formatting of notes).

    >
    >The iPhone is a nice web browser on Wi-Fi, and music player. Not such a
    >great world phone since you can't use prepaid SIM cards. Not a great
    >phone for the U.S. since Cingular's network is so poor compared to
    >Verizon's. Not a good phone for using the data over AT&T due to the slow
    >speed.


    Actually good on all those counts, as you might know if you'd actually
    used it.

    --
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  12. #42
    Tinman
    Guest

    Re: Newsgroups and "Charters"

    "John Navas" wrote:
    > On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:09:57 -0700, "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > <[email protected]>:
    >
    >>"SMS" wrote:

    >
    >>> The iPhone is a nice web browser on Wi-Fi, and music player.

    >>
    >>It does video well too, better than the PDAs or smartphones I've owned in
    >>the past.

    >
    > My RAZR V3xx is just as good.


    Baloney. Half the pixels and a 2 inch screen are not "just as good."


    >
    >>And the iTunes thing makes the music and video features seem more
    >>attractive.

    >
    > My RAZR V3xx works just as well with iTunes Agent.


    Hardly.


    --
    Mike





  13. #43
    Kurt
    Guest

    Re: Newsgroups and "Charters"

    In article <[email protected]>, "Tinman" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > "John Navas" wrote:
    > > On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:09:57 -0700, "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > > <[email protected]>:
    > >
    > >>"SMS" wrote:

    > >
    > >>> The iPhone is a nice web browser on Wi-Fi, and music player.
    > >>
    > >>It does video well too, better than the PDAs or smartphones I've owned in
    > >>the past.

    > >
    > > My RAZR V3xx is just as good.

    >
    > Baloney. Half the pixels and a 2 inch screen are not "just as good."
    >
    >
    > >
    > >>And the iTunes thing makes the music and video features seem more
    > >>attractive.

    > >
    > > My RAZR V3xx works just as well with iTunes Agent.

    >
    > Hardly.


    One man's ceiling is another man's floor.The tiny RAZR screen with the
    faux web helps reinforce the obvious.

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  14. #44
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Newsgroups and "Charters"

    On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:22:14 -0700, "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >"John Navas" wrote:
    >> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:09:57 -0700, "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in
    >> <[email protected]>:
    >>
    >>>"SMS" wrote:

    >>
    >>>> The iPhone is a nice web browser on Wi-Fi, and music player.
    >>>
    >>>It does video well too, better than the PDAs or smartphones I've owned in
    >>>the past.

    >>
    >> My RAZR V3xx is just as good.

    >
    >Baloney. Half the pixels and a 2 inch screen are not "just as good."


    Baloney yourself. The iPhone is a brick. My RAZR V3xx is slim and
    sleek, and the screen is superb.

    >>>And the iTunes thing makes the music and video features seem more
    >>>attractive.

    >>
    >> My RAZR V3xx works just as well with iTunes Agent.

    >
    >Hardly.


    In fact just as well.

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  15. #45
    Tinman
    Guest

    Re: Newsgroups and "Charters"

    "John Navas" wrote:
    > On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:22:14 -0700, "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > <[email protected]>:
    >
    >>"John Navas" wrote:
    >>> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:09:57 -0700, "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in
    >>> <[email protected]>:
    >>>
    >>>>"SMS" wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>> The iPhone is a nice web browser on Wi-Fi, and music player.
    >>>>
    >>>>It does video well too, better than the PDAs or smartphones I've owned
    >>>>in
    >>>>the past.
    >>>
    >>> My RAZR V3xx is just as good.

    >>
    >>Baloney. Half the pixels and a 2 inch screen are not "just as good."

    >
    > Baloney yourself. The iPhone is a brick. My RAZR V3xx is slim and
    > sleek, and the screen is superb.
    >


    "Your" RAZR V3xx is no different than anyone else's. It certainly didn't
    magically grow pixels.

    You must be off the meds again.


    >>>>And the iTunes thing makes the music and video features seem more
    >>>>attractive.
    >>>
    >>> My RAZR V3xx works just as well with iTunes Agent.

    >>
    >>Hardly.

    >
    > In fact just as well.


    In fact not even close. As you would know if you actually used both.

    Can't believe you are down to outright lying again. And replying to posts
    nearly a month old? Pathetic.


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    Mike





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