NEWS: iPhone becomes phisherman's friend

At 29 Aug 2007 07:44:19 -0700 SMS wrote:

> It's not hatred of AT&T per se, it's that many people want to buy
> iPhones for the browser, mainly using Wi-Fi, and don't want to pay
> the high monthly cost. The unlocked iPhone allows you to use a very
> low priced prepaid plan from T-Mobile.


That can't be it- there's already the "no phone service" hack that
surfaced immediately, and frankly, while T-Mo does have a better
prepaid plan than AT&T, AT&T's isn't that expensive, and at least has
(expensive) EDGE data available as a backup. Unlocking is a lot of
work to save a couple of bucks on prepaid servive.

I suspect the hacking of the iPhone is mostly an Everest thing...
(both for the challenge and "because it's there.") plus our basic
human revulsion at being told by someone else what you can and can't
do! ;-)


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all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

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On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:44:19 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> What is interesting is all the effort to put the iphone on T-mobile.
>> The hatred of AT&T is really intense. More than I would have guessed.
>
>It's not hatred of AT&T per se, it's that many people want to buy
>iPhones for the browser, mainly using Wi-Fi, and don't want to pay the
>high monthly cost. The unlocked iPhone allows you to use a very low
>priced prepaid plan from T-Mobile.
>
>> I'm waiting for the 8320 on T-mobile. Really, no need for the iphone
>> when you can have a real keyboard on a Blackberry.

That tiny thing?

Most iPhone users report after a few days they can whiz through typing
anything on the iPhone virtual keyboard. Just something new to learn.

>
>A heavy text messaging and e-mail user would not buy an iPhone, but the
>iPhone has a better web browser.



Sorry, thats just not true; many have. Any day now the announcement
will be made that 1 Million iPhones have been sold.

At 30 Aug 2007 07:06:10 -0500 [email protected] wrote:
> Any day now the announcement
> will be made that 1 Million iPhones have been sold.


I'm sure it will. It just remains to be seen if the announcement
comes from Apple, AT&T, or "Oxford"! ;-)


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"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:44:19 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >[email protected] wrote:
> >
> >> What is interesting is all the effort to put the iphone on T-mobile.
> >> The hatred of AT&T is really intense. More than I would have guessed.
> >
> >It's not hatred of AT&T per se, it's that many people want to buy
> >iPhones for the browser, mainly using Wi-Fi, and don't want to pay the
> >high monthly cost. The unlocked iPhone allows you to use a very low
> >priced prepaid plan from T-Mobile.
> >
> >> I'm waiting for the 8320 on T-mobile. Really, no need for the iphone
> >> when you can have a real keyboard on a Blackberry.
>
> That tiny thing?
>
> Most iPhone users report after a few days they can whiz through typing
> anything on the iPhone virtual keyboard. Just something new to learn.
>
I find it so much easier to type on my iPhone than on my Treo. Keyboard
is larger and much more intuitively laid out.

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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:52:18 -0700, Kurt <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:44:19 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >[email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >> What is interesting is all the effort to put the iphone on T-mobile.
>> >> The hatred of AT&T is really intense. More than I would have guessed.
>> >
>> >It's not hatred of AT&T per se, it's that many people want to buy
>> >iPhones for the browser, mainly using Wi-Fi, and don't want to pay the
>> >high monthly cost. The unlocked iPhone allows you to use a very low
>> >priced prepaid plan from T-Mobile.
>> >
>> >> I'm waiting for the 8320 on T-mobile. Really, no need for the iphone
>> >> when you can have a real keyboard on a Blackberry.
>>
>> That tiny thing?
>>
>> Most iPhone users report after a few days they can whiz through typing
>> anything on the iPhone virtual keyboard. Just something new to learn.
>>
>I find it so much easier to type on my iPhone than on my Treo. Keyboard
>is larger and much more intuitively laid out.


Reviewers who spent 5 minutes with the iPhone keyboard don't like it.

<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:52:18 -0700, Kurt <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>I find it so much easier to type on my iPhone than on my Treo. Keyboard
>>is larger and much more intuitively laid out.
>
> Reviewers who spent 5 minutes with the iPhone keyboard don't like it.

Yep, it takes about a week to get proficient with it, at least it did for
me. I now can type as fast, or faster, on my iPhone than I did with my Treo.

Just yesterday I needed to fire off a quick email and after sending it was
amazed how fast I had typed it. Auto-correct corrected at least 25% of the
words.

When I first got the iPhone I used one finger, and often waited for the
verification balloon to appear to ensure I was hitting the right character
(which happened a lot the first few days). But as time went by I started to
just type away, as fast as possible, and let auto-correct do its thing. My
typing speed increased dramatically.

I don't know exactly when I started using both thumbs to type on the
iPhone--it just sorta happened. Weird, because I didn't often type that way
on my Treo. I have large hands, and made too many mistakes . The iPhone's
capacitive touch screen needs only the slightest touch/tap so maybe that
makes it easier to handle for me.


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Todd Allcock wrote:

> That can't be it- there's already the "no phone service" hack that
> surfaced immediately, and frankly, while T-Mo does have a better
> prepaid plan than AT&T, AT&T's isn't that expensive, and at least has
> (expensive) EDGE data available as a backup. Unlocking is a lot of
> work to save a couple of bucks on prepaid servive.

It's more than a couple of bucks. After going "gold" you can have
T-Mobile prepaid for $10 per year, while AT&T is $100/year minimum, AFAICS.

The main reason to buy the current generation of iPhone is for the web
browser over WiFi. It's not a good device for texting, and it lacks the
applications available on true PDA phones. Web use on EDGE is very slow.
Still, even if you buy it for the WiFi and web browser it's nice to have
the phone part work. If you want the phone portion to work without
paying a lot, T-Mobile is the way to go.

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:00:33 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>Todd Allcock wrote:
>
>> That can't be it- there's already the "no phone service" hack that
>> surfaced immediately, and frankly, while T-Mo does have a better
>> prepaid plan than AT&T, AT&T's isn't that expensive, and at least has
>> (expensive) EDGE data available as a backup. Unlocking is a lot of
>> work to save a couple of bucks on prepaid servive.
>
>It's more than a couple of bucks. After going "gold" you can have
>T-Mobile prepaid for $10 per year, while AT&T is $100/year minimum, AFAICS.
>
>The main reason to buy the current generation of iPhone is for the web
>browser over WiFi. It's not a good device for texting, and it lacks the
>applications available on true PDA phones. Web use on EDGE is very slow.
>Still, even if you buy it for the WiFi and web browser it's nice to have
>the phone part work. If you want the phone portion to work without
>paying a lot, T-Mobile is the way to go.

Anything to slam AT&T. Why am I not surprised.

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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:00:33 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
> wrote in <[email protected]>:
>
>>Todd Allcock wrote:
>>
>>> That can't be it- there's already the "no phone service" hack that
>>> surfaced immediately, and frankly, while T-Mo does have a better
>>> prepaid plan than AT&T, AT&T's isn't that expensive, and at least has
>>> (expensive) EDGE data available as a backup. Unlocking is a lot of
>>> work to save a couple of bucks on prepaid servive.
>>
>>It's more than a couple of bucks. After going "gold" you can have
>>T-Mobile prepaid for $10 per year, while AT&T is $100/year minimum,
>>AFAICS.
>>
>>The main reason to buy the current generation of iPhone is for the web
>>browser over WiFi. It's not a good device for texting, and it lacks the
>>applications available on true PDA phones. Web use on EDGE is very slow.
>>Still, even if you buy it for the WiFi and web browser it's nice to have
>>the phone part work. If you want the phone portion to work without
>>paying a lot, T-Mobile is the way to go.
>
> Anything to slam AT&T. Why am I not surprised.
>
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Unlike yourself. We don't kiss the ground AT&T walks on.

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:44:19 -0700, "Kevin Weaver"
<[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...

>> Anything to slam AT&T. Why am I not surprised.

>Unlike yourself. We don't kiss the ground AT&T walks on.

Good for you. Likewise me. Have a nice day.

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Kevin Weaver wrote:
> "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:00:33 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
>> wrote in <[email protected]>:
>>
>>> Todd Allcock wrote:
>>>
>>>> That can't be it- there's already the "no phone service" hack that
>>>> surfaced immediately, and frankly, while T-Mo does have a better
>>>> prepaid plan than AT&T, AT&T's isn't that expensive, and at least has
>>>> (expensive) EDGE data available as a backup. Unlocking is a lot of
>>>> work to save a couple of bucks on prepaid servive.
>>>
>>> It's more than a couple of bucks. After going "gold" you can have
>>> T-Mobile prepaid for $10 per year, while AT&T is $100/year minimum,
>>> AFAICS.
>>>
>>> The main reason to buy the current generation of iPhone is for the web
>>> browser over WiFi. It's not a good device for texting, and it lacks the
>>> applications available on true PDA phones. Web use on EDGE is very slow.
>>> Still, even if you buy it for the WiFi and web browser it's nice to have
>>> the phone part work. If you want the phone portion to work without
>>> paying a lot, T-Mobile is the way to go.
>>
>> Anything to slam AT&T. Why am I not surprised.

> Unlike yourself. We don't kiss the ground AT&T walks on.

Jeez, stating the fact that T-Mobile's prepaid costs less than AT&T's
prepaid, and that EDGE is slow, is somehow slamming AT&T?

Unlike Navas, I am not shilling for any carrier, I just state the facts.

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 07:18:47 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>Kevin Weaver wrote:
>> "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:00:33 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
>>> wrote in <[email protected]>:

>>>> The main reason to buy the current generation of iPhone is for the web
>>>> browser over WiFi. It's not a good device for texting, and it lacks the
>>>> applications available on true PDA phones. Web use on EDGE is very slow.
>>>> Still, even if you buy it for the WiFi and web browser it's nice to have
>>>> the phone part work. If you want the phone portion to work without
>>>> paying a lot, T-Mobile is the way to go.
>>>
>>> Anything to slam AT&T. Why am I not surprised.
>
>> Unlike yourself. We don't kiss the ground AT&T walks on.
>
>Jeez, stating the fact that T-Mobile's prepaid costs less than AT&T's
>prepaid, and that EDGE is slow, is somehow slamming AT&T?

EGPRS(EDGE) isn't "slow", and you are slamming AT&T at every
opportunity.

>Unlike Navas, I am not shilling for any carrier, I just state the facts.

You are actually misstating the "facts", conducting a personal vendetta
against GSM in general and AT&T in particular, and attacking me for
setting the record straight.

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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 07:18:47 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
> wrote in <[email protected]>:
>
>>Kevin Weaver wrote:
>>> "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:00:33 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote in <[email protected]>:
>
>>>>> The main reason to buy the current generation of iPhone is for the web
>>>>> browser over WiFi. It's not a good device for texting, and it lacks
>>>>> the
>>>>> applications available on true PDA phones. Web use on EDGE is very
>>>>> slow.
>>>>> Still, even if you buy it for the WiFi and web browser it's nice to
>>>>> have
>>>>> the phone part work. If you want the phone portion to work without
>>>>> paying a lot, T-Mobile is the way to go.
>>>>
>>>> Anything to slam AT&T. Why am I not surprised.
>>
>>> Unlike yourself. We don't kiss the ground AT&T walks on.
>>
>>Jeez, stating the fact that T-Mobile's prepaid costs less than AT&T's
>>prepaid, and that EDGE is slow, is somehow slamming AT&T?
>
> EGPRS(EDGE) isn't "slow", and you are slamming AT&T at every
> opportunity.
>
>>Unlike Navas, I am not shilling for any carrier, I just state the facts.
>
> You are actually misstating the "facts", conducting a personal vendetta
> against GSM in general and AT&T in particular, and attacking me for
> setting the record straight.
>
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Tell us how he misstated the facts. (You can't)
How did you state the facts ? What info did you tell us to set the record
straight ? (Nothing)

EDGE Is slow. read broadband reports. Iphone on EDGE is slow. Unless you
think 100 KBPS Is Fast.
In fact, anything using EDGE is slow. It's not a iphone problem.

John Navas wrote:
> EGPRS(EDGE) isn't "slow"

Considering its typically only about twice the speed of a 56K dial-up
connection, I'd say it was slow...compared to Sprint.

"SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> DTC wrote:
>> John Navas wrote:
>>> EGPRS(EDGE) isn't "slow"
>>
>> Considering its typically only about twice the speed of a 56K dial-up
>> connection, I'd say it was slow...compared to Sprint.
>
> When the first reviewers reviewed the iPhone, one of them said "You
> almost ache for a dial-up modem." In one sense that was an unfair comment,
> since on the surface at least EDGE is 2x-4x the speed of dial-up. However
> what makes EDGE appear to be so slow is the latency, which makes it appear
> so slow, and which makes it unusable for many applications that rely on
> low latency.
>
> We've all seen the reasons that were presented as to why Apple didn't
> include HSDPA on the first iPhone, but Apple's been mum as to why they did
> what they did.
>
> Speculations by various industry experts is:
>
> -Apple was in shock when Verizon turned them down, and had no time to
> develop an HSDPA-based device.
> -HSDPA Components were not yet available in volume
> -HSDPA uses too much power
> -FCC problems
> -The HSDPA network is not yet fully deployed
> -AT&T didn't want to offer lower cost data plans unless the speed was
> also lower
> -Apple wanted to save HSDPA for a follow-up product


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