REVIEW: The N95 and the Ocean arent as good as iPhone

On 2007-08-24, Tinman <[email protected]> wrote:
> What? My EDGE speeds vary from 120 to 185 kbps.
[...]
> Methinks had Apple gone with Verizon they would have gone with EV-DO Rev. 0
> (not much faster than EDGE). But that would only work in areas where there
> is EV-DO coverage. So instead of iPhone users having to contend with either
> EDGE or WiFi they would have to contend with 1x, EV-DO, or WiFi. We'd be
> hearing about a different list of complaints had that occurred.

That's not right. EDGE runs about the same speed as 1xRTT. EV-DO Rev. 0
has a theoretical download speed of 2.4 Mbps and would regularly run
at over 1 Mbps where I live. EV-DO Rev. A mostly speeds up the uplink.
And there's about zero complexity in the choice between EV-DO and 1x
(or EDGE and HSDPA on AT&T, for that matter). If the higher speed
service is available it gets used, if it isn't available the lower
speed service gets used.

I'd also dispute the notion that Apple would have gone with EV-DO Rev. 0
rather than EV-DO Rev. A based solely on the fact that if they'd done
a phone for Verizon they would have been using a Qualcomm chipset, and
Qualcomm chipsets support EV-DO Rev. A. In fact if they'd gone with
a Qualcomm chipset for the AT&T phone they'd likely be supporting
HSDPA now since Qualcomm has until fairly recently been very close
to the sole source for HSDPA chipsets (and they'd also likely now be
having trouble shipping phones in the US due to Qualcomm chipset patent
problems).

Dennis Ferguson

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"Dennis Ferguson" wrote:
> On 2007-08-24, Tinman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> What? My EDGE speeds vary from 120 to 185 kbps.
> [...]
>> Methinks had Apple gone with Verizon they would have gone with EV-DO Rev.
>> 0
>> (not much faster than EDGE). But that would only work in areas where
>> there
>> is EV-DO coverage. So instead of iPhone users having to contend with
>> either
>> EDGE or WiFi they would have to contend with 1x, EV-DO, or WiFi. We'd be
>> hearing about a different list of complaints had that occurred.
>
> That's not right. EDGE runs about the same speed as 1xRTT.

<sigh> What rock have you been living under?

I have done extensive speed tests between my Treo under 1x and iPhone under
EDGE. Treo gets 32-52 kbps and the iPhone gets 120-180 kbps. plenty of
people have had the same results as me. And the lag time with 1x was at
least double that of EDGE.

Trust me, I only expected a marginal increase over 1x with EDGE and was
pleasantly surprised to find out I was wrong.


> EV-DO Rev. 0
> has a theoretical download speed of 2.4 Mbps and would regularly run
> at over 1 Mbps where I live.

I am talking real-world experiance. Plenty of people do not even come close
to 1 mbps on Rev 0. Indeed there have been side by side tests of a Rev 0
Treo Vs. an iPhone on EDGE and the iPhone won.

Speaking of handsets here, not data cards.


> And there's about zero complexity in the choice between EV-DO and 1x

Who was talking about complexity?


> (or EDGE and HSDPA on AT&T, for that matter). If the higher speed
> service is available it gets used, if it isn't available the lower
> speed service gets used.

No need to state the obvious.


>
> I'd also dispute the notion that Apple would have gone with EV-DO Rev. 0
> rather than EV-DO Rev. A

Plenty of brandnew phones do not support Rev A. The wonder phone "Ocean"
doesn't even do Rev A at this time.

I stand by my opinion.


> based solely on the fact that if they'd done
> a phone for Verizon they would have been using a Qualcomm chipset, and
> Qualcomm chipsets support EV-DO Rev. A. In fact if they'd gone with
> a Qualcomm chipset for the AT&T phone they'd likely be supporting
> HSDPA now since Qualcomm has until fairly recently been very close
> to the sole source for HSDPA chipsets (and they'd also likely now be
> having trouble shipping phones in the US due to Qualcomm chipset patent
> problems).

Apple has already stated why they went with the chipset they chose, and
their reasons have been verified.

You will have to do much better than that to convince me Apple would have
gone with Rev A. It's moot anyway because a CDMA version is a long ways off.


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Mike

On aug. 24, 03:46, Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
>
>
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> > On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:35:16 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > >[email protected] wrote:
>
> > >>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070823/..._luxury_phones
>
> > >> "Don't pay it any attention {iPhonecomplaints}:
>
> > >> theiPhoneis the best phone you can buy right now."
>
> > >Some of the flaws that the author points out are very real:
>
> > >-Very slow web browsing on cellular network
> > >-Poor battery life
> > >-No GPS
>
> > >TheiPhoneis a great web browser on Wi-Fi. It's almost unusable on
> > >Edge.
>
> > BALONEY - its slow on graphics, works very well for email with EDGE,
> > and it also varies depending on the local EDGE throughput
>
> > It's not good for doing text messaging or e-mail because it lacks
> > a keyboard.
>
> > BALONEY - touchscreen keyboard ofiPhoneworks great after just a
> > little practice,
>
> A whole lot easier than my Treo (just sold on Ebay).
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