NEWS: Google Maps for Mobile 2.0.1

At 26 Dec 2007 12:45:20 -0800 Kurt wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > At 22 Dec 2007 16:37:30 -0800 Kurt wrote:
> >
> > > Compared to GoogleMaps for the iPhone, the only thing this has
> > > going for it would be VR.
> >
> > Yeah, that, and GPS support, and turn-by-turn directions, residential
> > listings, save-to-contacts listings, gas prices
>
> Too much button pushing for all that. Gas prices? LOL

Maybe on an iPhone, but on a phone that supports a GPS internally or
externally, your current position is already there. How much work is
tapping a "gas prices" icon to bring uo the closest 25 stations? It's very
handy when in a strange city filling up the rental car before returning it!

> > That's sort of the point- with WM you're not stuck- you can use Google,
> > WLS, Tom Tom, iGuidance, Delorme, etc.
>
> But it's Windows... ;-)


Funny, I'd have said "AND it's Windows!" ;-)

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At 26 Dec 2007 16:52:39 -0800 Kurt wrote:

> Yes, but the notion of extra effort (and driving) to save a couple cents
> a gallon (and that's really what it comes down to), is laughable.

Agreed, to a point- in a strange area, however, it's at least handy to
establish a baseline. If I know the lowest price in the area is $2.66 I
can decide whether the $2.69 station is worth the convenience.

In article <[email protected]>,
Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

> At 26 Dec 2007 16:52:39 -0800 Kurt wrote:
>
> > Yes, but the notion of extra effort (and driving) to save a couple cents
> > a gallon (and that's really what it comes down to), is laughable.
>
> Agreed, to a point- in a strange area, however, it's at least handy to
> establish a baseline. If I know the lowest price in the area is $2.66 I
> can decide whether the $2.69 station is worth the convenience.
>
>

So 3 cents a gallon times, say, 16 (smaller car on empty) = 48 cents.
Worth driving out of your way for? I think not.

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In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:52:39 -0800, Kurt <[email protected]> wrote
> in <[email protected]>:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:45:20 -0800, Kurt <[email protected]> wrote
> >> in <[email protected]>:
> >>
> >> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >>
> >> >> Yeah, that, and GPS support, and turn-by-turn directions, residential
> >> >> listings, save-to-contacts listings, gas prices
> >> >
> >> >Too much button pushing for all that. Gas prices? LOL
> >>
> >> I use a local gas prices website that's quite up-to-date and accurate.
> >
> >Yes, but the notion of extra effort (and driving) to save a couple cents
> >a gallon (and that's really what it comes down to), is laughable.
> >Just avoid gas stations by freeways or in the higher rent areas of town,
> >and it's all a wash. We ll know the more expensive brands- it's your
> >choice to buy there.
>
> I don't do extra driving -- I just plan my routes and purchases
> accordingly.
>
> Knowing when I happen to be near a cheap gas station is much better than
> waiting until I'm low and the choices are few.
>
> Knowing that cheaper gas is 2 blocks away is much better than just
> settling for what I can see.
>
> And the difference can be much more than a couple of cents --
> differences of 25 cents or more are common in this area.


You do extra driving, believe me.

Show me the 25 cent difference for two gas stations close to each other.
Very common near you, right? SF is on par with LA for gas prices.

For me, that might be a 76 Union in Malibu, and a cash-only Valerio in
Oxnard. And that's only for premium, and both are miles from each other.

Like i said. Just avoid gas stations by freeways or in the higher rent
areas of town.

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On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:54:47 -0800, Kurt <[email protected]> wrote
in <[email protected]>:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> At 26 Dec 2007 16:52:39 -0800 Kurt wrote:
>>
>> > Yes, but the notion of extra effort (and driving) to save a couple cents
>> > a gallon (and that's really what it comes down to), is laughable.
>>
>> Agreed, to a point- in a strange area, however, it's at least handy to
>> establish a baseline. If I know the lowest price in the area is $2.66 I
>> can decide whether the $2.69 station is worth the convenience.
>
>So 3 cents a gallon times, say, 16 (smaller car on empty) = 48 cents.
>Worth driving out of your way for? I think not.

Worth driving two blocks for? Sure. And the difference around here is
often much greater than that, on the order of 25 cents or more, which is
$4.00 or more for your 16 gallon fillup.

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On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:07:32 -0800, Kurt <[email protected]> wrote
in <[email protected]>:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

>> I don't do extra driving -- I just plan my routes and purchases
>> accordingly.
>>
>> Knowing when I happen to be near a cheap gas station is much better than
>> waiting until I'm low and the choices are few.
>>
>> Knowing that cheaper gas is 2 blocks away is much better than just
>> settling for what I can see.
>>
>> And the difference can be much more than a couple of cents --
>> differences of 25 cents or more are common in this area.
>
>You do extra driving, believe me.

The extra driving is insignificant.

>Show me the 25 cent difference for two gas stations close to each other.

Shell, 1500 Concord Ave & Market St, Concord: $3.59/gal
Arco, 2490 Monument Blvd & Detroit, Concord: $3.13/gal

>Very common near you, right?

Right.

>SF is on par with LA for gas prices.

SF is actually the most expensive place for gas in the country.

>For me, that might be a 76 Union in Malibu, and a cash-only Valerio in
>Oxnard. And that's only for premium, and both are miles from each other.
>
>Like i said. Just avoid gas stations by freeways or in the higher rent
>areas of town.

Perhaps where you live, but not where I live.

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Kurt wrote:
> Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
>> At 26 Dec 2007 16:52:39 -0800 Kurt wrote:
>>
>> > Yes, but the notion of extra effort (and driving) to save a couple cents
>> > a gallon (and that's really what it comes down to), is laughable.
>>
>> Agreed, to a point- in a strange area, however, it's at least handy to
>> establish a baseline. If I know the lowest price in the area is $2.66 I
>> can decide whether the $2.69 station is worth the convenience.
>
> So 3 cents a gallon times, say, 16 (smaller car on empty) = 48 cents.
> Worth driving out of your way for? I think not.

What makes it worth driving out of your way for is giving your business
to stations that appreciate it and aren't just out to raid your wallet.
I go no less than 10 miles from home nowadays to get gas (note it is NOT
out of my way) because the stations near home have all apparently decided
that they can charge 20 cents per gallon more than the places I patronize.

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Kurt wrote:
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:07:32 -0800, Kurt <[email protected]> wrote
>> in <[email protected]>:
>> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> I don't do extra driving -- I just plan my routes and purchases
>> >> accordingly.
>> >>
>> >> Knowing when I happen to be near a cheap gas station is much better than
>> >> waiting until I'm low and the choices are few.
>> >>
>> >> Knowing that cheaper gas is 2 blocks away is much better than just
>> >> settling for what I can see.
>> >>
>> >> And the difference can be much more than a couple of cents --
>> >> differences of 25 cents or more are common in this area.
>> >
>> >You do extra driving, believe me.
>>
>> The extra driving is insignificant.
>>
>> >Show me the 25 cent difference for two gas stations close to each other.
>>
>> Shell, 1500 Concord Ave & Market St, Concord: $3.59/gal
>
> Freeway offramp
>
>
>> Arco, 2490 Monument Blvd & Detroit, Concord: $3.13/gal
>
> Not close to freeway.
>
> Plus, you compare Shell and Arco. Enough said. Like I said:
> Avoid gas stations near freeways and choose your brand preference.

Excuse me. Did he, or did he not, show you the 25 cent difference for
two gas stations close to each other?

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:22:31 -0800, Kurt <[email protected]> wrote
in <[email protected]>:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:07:32 -0800, Kurt <[email protected]> wrote
>> in <[email protected]>:

>> >Show me the 25 cent difference for two gas stations close to each other.
>>
>> Shell, 1500 Concord Ave & Market St, Concord: $3.59/gal
>
>Freeway offramp

So what? I did what you asked.

>> Arco, 2490 Monument Blvd & Detroit, Concord: $3.13/gal
>
>Not close to freeway.
>
>Plus, you compare Shell and Arco. Enough said. Like I said:
>Avoid gas stations near freeways and choose your brand preference.

Sorry, but for those of us that aren't psychic, that just doesn't work.
We don't automatically know cheaper gas is nearby the way you do.

Here's another example:
http://www.oaklandgasprices.com/map_...ng=-122.232530
3.19 on one side of the freeway. 3.54 on the other side of the freeway.
35 cents difference. No way for we non-psychics to know that without
either using a price locator or wandering around aimlessly.

With all due respect, I think you're being either unrealistic or
disingenuous.

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In article <[email protected]>,
clifto <[email protected]> wrote:

> Kurt wrote:
> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:07:32 -0800, Kurt <[email protected]> wrote
> >> in <[email protected]>:
> >> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> I don't do extra driving -- I just plan my routes and purchases
> >> >> accordingly.
> >> >>
> >> >> Knowing when I happen to be near a cheap gas station is much better than
> >> >> waiting until I'm low and the choices are few.
> >> >>
> >> >> Knowing that cheaper gas is 2 blocks away is much better than just
> >> >> settling for what I can see.
> >> >>
> >> >> And the difference can be much more than a couple of cents --
> >> >> differences of 25 cents or more are common in this area.
> >> >
> >> >You do extra driving, believe me.
> >>
> >> The extra driving is insignificant.
> >>
> >> >Show me the 25 cent difference for two gas stations close to each other.
> >>
> >> Shell, 1500 Concord Ave & Market St, Concord: $3.59/gal
> >
> > Freeway offramp
> >
> >
> >> Arco, 2490 Monument Blvd & Detroit, Concord: $3.13/gal
> >
> > Not close to freeway.
> >
> > Plus, you compare Shell and Arco. Enough said. Like I said:
> > Avoid gas stations near freeways and choose your brand preference.
>
> Excuse me. Did he, or did he not, show you the 25 cent difference for
> two gas stations close to each other?

That's about all he could do. Read the OP.

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In article <[email protected]>,
clifto <[email protected]> wrote:

> Kurt wrote:
> > Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> At 26 Dec 2007 16:52:39 -0800 Kurt wrote:
> >>
> >> > Yes, but the notion of extra effort (and driving) to save a couple cents
> >> > a gallon (and that's really what it comes down to), is laughable.
> >>
> >> Agreed, to a point- in a strange area, however, it's at least handy to
> >> establish a baseline. If I know the lowest price in the area is $2.66 I
> >> can decide whether the $2.69 station is worth the convenience.
> >
> > So 3 cents a gallon times, say, 16 (smaller car on empty) = 48 cents.
> > Worth driving out of your way for? I think not.
>
> What makes it worth driving out of your way for is giving your business
> to stations that appreciate it and aren't just out to raid your wallet.
> I go no less than 10 miles from home nowadays to get gas (note it is NOT
> out of my way) because the stations near home have all apparently decided
> that they can charge 20 cents per gallon more than the places I patronize.

Yes, we all have a choice of where to buy from. I agree with you
wholeheartedly.

Avoid expensive brands near freeways and upscale areas. Easy and you'll
never pay anything more than a couple cents difference. No gas finder
software needed.

The argument was about needing to have gas station finder software
installed so that you are able to find cheap gas.

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Kurt wrote:
> clifto <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Kurt wrote:
>> > Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> At 26 Dec 2007 16:52:39 -0800 Kurt wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Yes, but the notion of extra effort (and driving) to save a couple cents
>> >> > a gallon (and that's really what it comes down to), is laughable.
>> >>
>> >> Agreed, to a point- in a strange area, however, it's at least handy to
>> >> establish a baseline. If I know the lowest price in the area is $2.66 I
>> >> can decide whether the $2.69 station is worth the convenience.
>> >
>> > So 3 cents a gallon times, say, 16 (smaller car on empty) = 48 cents.
>> > Worth driving out of your way for? I think not.
>>
>> What makes it worth driving out of your way for is giving your business
>> to stations that appreciate it and aren't just out to raid your wallet.
>> I go no less than 10 miles from home nowadays to get gas (note it is NOT
>> out of my way) because the stations near home have all apparently decided
>> that they can charge 20 cents per gallon more than the places I patronize.
>
> Yes, we all have a choice of where to buy from. I agree with you
> wholeheartedly.
>
> Avoid expensive brands near freeways and upscale areas. Easy and you'll
> never pay anything more than a couple cents difference. No gas finder
> software needed.
>
> The argument was about needing to have gas station finder software
> installed so that you are able to find cheap gas.

I'd personally love to have it, I just don't like running apps on my
cell phone and I can't justify the purchase of a PDA or laptop yet.

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In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:22:31 -0800, Kurt <[email protected]> wrote
> in <[email protected]>:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:07:32 -0800, Kurt <[email protected]> wrote
> >> in <[email protected]>:
>
> >> >Show me the 25 cent difference for two gas stations close to each other.
> >>
> >> Shell, 1500 Concord Ave & Market St, Concord: $3.59/gal
> >
> >Freeway offramp
>
> So what? I did what you asked.
>
> >> Arco, 2490 Monument Blvd & Detroit, Concord: $3.13/gal
> >
> >Not close to freeway.
> >
> >Plus, you compare Shell and Arco. Enough said. Like I said:
> >Avoid gas stations near freeways and choose your brand preference.
>
> Sorry, but for those of us that aren't psychic, that just doesn't work.
> We don't automatically know cheaper gas is nearby the way you do.
>
> Here's another example:
> http://www.oaklandgasprices.com/map_...804562&long=-1
> 22.232530
> 3.19 on one side of the freeway. 3.54 on the other side of the freeway.
> 35 cents difference. No way for we non-psychics to know that without
> either using a price locator or wandering around aimlessly.
>
It's not rocket science.

Like I said, avoid near freeway and more expensive brands

3.45 is high-priced Shell, and 3.19 is always cheaper Arco.

The other cheap gas stations were either Arco or gas that comes from
wholesalers. ("Quick Market")

Avoid expensive brands.

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Kurt wrote:
> 3.45 is high-priced Shell, and 3.19 is always cheaper Arco.

In our area Shell is subject to wild price variations. There's one station
in particular that opened just a few months ago, and they go from one day
being the cheapest station for 20 miles to being the most expensive for 30.
They're seldom in between! They're almost always either the cheapest or
the priciest. IIRC they went the other day from 2.89 to 3.15.

That's not the only station, just the only one that goes between extremes.
There are others that change price wildly and are occasionally as cheap as
anything, other times 10 cents more than the station across the street (and
not near a freeway).

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as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.

In article <[email protected]>,
clifto <[email protected]> wrote:

> Kurt wrote:
> > 3.45 is high-priced Shell, and 3.19 is always cheaper Arco.
>
> In our area Shell is subject to wild price variations. There's one station
> in particular that opened just a few months ago, and they go from one day
> being the cheapest station for 20 miles to being the most expensive for 30.
> They're seldom in between! They're almost always either the cheapest or
> the priciest. IIRC they went the other day from 2.89 to 3.15.
>
> That's not the only station, just the only one that goes between extremes.
> There are others that change price wildly and are occasionally as cheap as
> anything, other times 10 cents more than the station across the street (and
> not near a freeway).

Easy. Avoid Shell. use Arco or Quickie Mart.

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