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  1. #46
    Larry
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    Re: Rapid shutdown of AMPS within months (Steven Scharf 100% Right Again)

    clifto <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

    > Hillary'll do it. She likes spending.
    >
    >


    Remember when Hillary was dead set to make health care available to the
    American people, which the Republicans, in cooperation with the Doctor's
    Union and Enrichment Company (AMA) squashed.

    Notice how you haven't heard her utter a single word about health care
    since? Wonder why? Mike Moore pointed the finger at her in his Sicko.
    She got $838K in bribes to shut up from the healthcare lobbies.

    You'll never hear her talk about it again as long as that kind of money is
    rollin' in....as Americans who just can't afford $3200 per injection of
    Neulasta, the most valuable liquid on the planet, die.

    Don't depend on your HMO, either. They pay doctors big money to deny
    claims. ....and don't expect Hillary and the Demopublicans to help,
    either. That isn't gonna happen.



    Larry
    --
    I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12.
    My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month.
    Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations?



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  2. #47
    marx404
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    Re: Rapid shutdown of AMPS within months (Steven Scharf dead wong again)

    Thanks for this post, John. I have been getting many calls in the past week
    from concerned customers about this.
    Most don't understand that it will only affect old versions of OnStar. Most
    ppl don't keep their OnStar subscriptions beyond the initial free 1st yr, so
    this isn't a major issue and as it mainly affects analog subscribers (which
    will be in vehicles now 5 yrs old mostly and older) most will have traded in
    their cars for newer ones w/in 5 yrs anyways. Statically speaking, most that
    would hold onto a 5 or 10 yr old car would least likely be paying for
    continuance of OnStar coverage as expensive as it is.

    --
    marx404


    "Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > =?UTF-8?B?U01TIOaWr+iSguaWh+KAoiDlpI8=?= <[email protected]>
    > wrote in news:[email protected]:
    >
    >> Tinman wrote:
    >>
    >>> In fact it's just the opposite: most of AMPS will be shut down with
    >>> only a handful of rural operators--statistically insignificant--that
    >>> cling to AMPS.

    >>
    >> What you don't understand is that those handful of rural operators,
    >> while insignificant as far as their own subscriber numbers, are
    >> providing roaming coverage to tens of millions of Verizon and Sprint
    >> subscribers (and getting revenue from doing so). I don't care that a
    >> company like Golden State Cellular has only a few hundred thousand
    >> subscribers, they still provide CDMA and AMPS coverage to me in many
    >> areas where there is no other coverage at all. GSM users are SOL in
    >> those areas.
    >>

    >
    > And ALL of that problem lays directly on the shoulders of the FCC who
    > refuse to enforce their own regulations when they hand out a license to
    > these thieves. There's no enforcement when SELLular lies or simply
    > refuses to respond to poor coverage issues where it's not particularly
    > profitable, something ONLY the FCC can force them to do.
    >
    > Some powerful organization needs to take a very investigative look at the
    > money flowing up this pyramid from the carriers on the bottom through the
    > FCC to the damned politicians. The whole thing is corrupt to the core.
    >
    > Larry
    > --
    > I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12.
    > My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month.
    > Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations?






  3. #48
    John Navas
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    NEWS: Mobiles linked to disturbed sleep

    <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7199659.stm>

    Using a mobile phone before going to bed could stop you getting a
    decent night's sleep, research suggests.

    The study, funded by mobile phone companies, suggests radiation from
    the handset can cause insomnia, headaches and confusion.

    It may also cut our amount of deep sleep - interfering with the
    body's ability to refresh itself.

    The study was carried out by Sweden's Karolinska Institute and Wayne
    State University in the US.

    Funded by the Mobile Manufacturers Forum, the scientists studied 35
    men and 36 women aged between 18 and 45.

    Some were exposed to radiation equivalent to that received when using
    a mobile phone, others were placed in the same conditions, but given
    only "sham" exposure.

    Those exposed to radiation took longer to enter the first of the
    deeper stages of sleep, and spent less time in the deepest one.

    The scientists concluded: "The study indicates that during laboratory
    exposure to 884 MHz wireless signals components of sleep believed to
    be important for recovery from daily wear and tear are adversely
    affected."

    Researcher Professor Bengt Arnetz said: "The study strongly suggests
    that mobile phone use is associated with specific changes in the
    areas of the brain responsible for activating and coordinating the
    stress system."

    Another theory is that radiation may disrupt production of the
    hormone melatonin, which controls the body's internal rhythms.

    [MORE]




  4. #49
    Jer
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    Re: NEWS: Mobiles linked to disturbed sleep

    John Navas wrote:
    > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7199659.stm>
    >
    > Using a mobile phone before going to bed could stop you getting a
    > decent night's sleep, research suggests.
    >
    > The study, funded by mobile phone companies, suggests radiation from
    > the handset can cause insomnia, headaches and confusion.
    >
    > It may also cut our amount of deep sleep - interfering with the
    > body's ability to refresh itself.
    >
    > The study was carried out by Sweden's Karolinska Institute and Wayne
    > State University in the US.
    >
    > Funded by the Mobile Manufacturers Forum, the scientists studied 35
    > men and 36 women aged between 18 and 45.
    >
    > Some were exposed to radiation equivalent to that received when using
    > a mobile phone, others were placed in the same conditions, but given
    > only "sham" exposure.
    >
    > Those exposed to radiation took longer to enter the first of the
    > deeper stages of sleep, and spent less time in the deepest one.
    >
    > The scientists concluded: "The study indicates that during laboratory
    > exposure to 884 MHz wireless signals components of sleep believed to
    > be important for recovery from daily wear and tear are adversely
    > affected."
    >
    > Researcher Professor Bengt Arnetz said: "The study strongly suggests
    > that mobile phone use is associated with specific changes in the
    > areas of the brain responsible for activating and coordinating the
    > stress system."
    >
    > Another theory is that radiation may disrupt production of the
    > hormone melatonin, which controls the body's internal rhythms.
    >
    > [MORE]
    >



    Then I guess we shouldn't leave the cell turned on lying on a bedside
    table unless it's wrapped in two layers of tin foil.

    --
    jer
    email reply - I am not a 'ten'



  5. #50
    Joel Koltner
    Guest

    Re: Mobiles linked to disturbed sleep

    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7199659.stm>


    I can't take an article like that seriously when it gives no quantatative data
    whatsoever. Did using phones reduce deep sleep by an hour? 10 minutes? 30
    seconds? And sentences such as, "...researchers said they could not rule out
    the possibility that long-term [cell phone] use may raise the risk of cancer"
    is a rather meaning statement as well, because you could substitude almost
    anything for "cell phone" and have some researcher testify to it.
    ("...reserachers said they could not rule out the possibility that long-term
    Usenet use may raise the risk of cancer!")





  6. #51
    larry
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Mobiles linked to disturbed sleep

    John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > Funded by the Mobile Manufacturers Forum,


    WARNING - The SELLphone industry wants to turn down the transmitter
    power output, yet again. It's the ONLY reason for these false flag
    ops....to scare them into allowing us to go to 50 milliwatts for more
    profits.

    One more time, I invite you to boot Google Earth and search for:
    Robin Lane, Hamburg, NY 14075
    To the west of Robin lane is a field full of antennas for WWKB, formerly
    WKBW, a 50,000 watt DIRECTIONAL ARRAY of 3 towers pointing this massive
    RF power directly into the houses on Robin Lane.....Fifty THOUSAND
    WATTS! I doubt they can even turn off the flourescent lights for all
    the induced RF power in the house wires. That's plenty enough to burn
    fingers on a chain link fence in those back yards just East of this
    massive AM - FM (100KW FM) source.

    Did any of the SELLphone industry researchers ask anyone on Robin Lane
    if they had trouble sleeping in this 24 hour, 365 day/year massive,
    CONTINUOUS RF field? Of course not. If they did they would come to a
    conclusion the company couldn't use to reduce the transmitter power for
    more profits again....rendering your range even less, of course, than it
    is now.

    I bet everyone on Robin Lane is asleep, right now, at 2AM ET as the warm
    RF field from KB's massive Harris DX-50 solid state blowtorch radiates
    through their bodies all night, every night, unlike your SELLphone's
    little intermittent pulses to let the system know it's still laying
    there, charging we hope.

    Bull****.....more SELLphone bull****.

    I used to sleep quite well, propped up in my chair at the controls of a
    5,000 watt directional array with towers on both sides of the building
    while playing NBC network to the city....occasionally missing a local
    spot...(c; RF in the building burned your fingers if you touched the
    wrong metal things. I think it PUT me to sleep! The telephone
    technicians refused to fix anything in our basement after getting burned
    from the phone wires...hee hee. Three of the antenna counterpoise
    cables went over your head in the basement. We hung our coats on them.








  7. #52
    larry
    Guest

    Re: Mobiles linked to disturbed sleep

    "Joel Koltner" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > the possibility that long-term [cell phone] use may raise the risk of
    > cancer"


    What raises the risk of cancer is taking a vaccine injection loaded with
    cancer-causing LIVE virii from the major drug companies, mixed in with the
    dead virus you're taking the injection for.

    There was a very disturbing video posted on
    alt.binaries.multimedia.documentaries not long ago on this very subject.
    Very disturbing because it had a banned segment from Merck's best scientist
    casually talking about it and not realizing he was being taped before a PBS
    interview.




  8. #53
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Mobiles linked to disturbed sleep

    Joel Koltner wrote:
    > "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7199659.stm>

    >
    > I can't take an article like that seriously when it gives no quantatative data
    > whatsoever. Did using phones reduce deep sleep by an hour? 10 minutes? 30
    > seconds? And sentences such as, "...researchers said they could not rule out
    > the possibility that long-term [cell phone] use may raise the risk of cancer"
    > is a rather meaning statement as well, because you could substitude almost
    > anything for "cell phone" and have some researcher testify to it.
    > ("...reserachers said they could not rule out the possibility that long-term
    > Usenet use may raise the risk of cancer!")


    Dr. Dean Edell had a good laugh at that "study" a couple of days ago. A
    sample size of 71!

    Maybe it was an effort by the industry to get people to use more peak
    minutes, and less "free" night minutes.



  9. #54
    Stephen
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Mobiles linked to disturbed sleep

    On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 03:53:16 GMT, John Navas
    <[email protected]> had a flock of green cheek conures squawk
    out:

    > Funded by the Mobile Manufacturers Forum, the scientists studied 35
    > men and 36 women aged between 18 and 45.
    >


    Study group not large enough.


    --



  10. #55
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Mobiles linked to disturbed sleep

    Anon E. Muss wrote:
    > On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 03:53:16 GMT, John Navas
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > [snip]
    >
    >> The scientists concluded: "The study indicates that during laboratory
    >> exposure to 884 MHz wireless signals components of sleep believed to
    >> be important for recovery from daily wear and tear are adversely
    >> affected."

    >
    > [snip]
    >
    > So GSM 850 is the culprit. I am safe with my 1900MHz only phone.


    Or with CDMA. Much lower radiation than GSM in either band.

    Maybe Verizon, Sprint, and Alltel can turn this study to their advantage
    in their marketing materials.

    "Fewest Spurious Rads"
    "Fewest Rads per Call"
    "Less Rads in More Places"
    "It's the Radiation"
    "Least Powerful Network"

    (yeah I know that the current unit of radiation is the gray, but rad
    sounds much better).



  11. #56
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Mobiles linked to disturbed sleep

    g wrote:
    > I like that. The script for the actor promoting it goes..
    >
    > "It's the Radiation!" (yawn)


    I forgot, "Fewest Dropped Rads."

    The CDMA carriers can follow Cingular's example in "Fewest Dropped
    Calls" and commission a study on radiation. Then no matter what the
    results of the study show, they can come up with some way of
    interpreting the study to build a marketing campaign upon "Fewest
    Dropped Rads." If they need help in this, they can hire the marketing
    person from Cingular that came up with "Fewest Dropped Calls." If the
    company doing the study claims that the carriers are misinterpreting the
    study, it makes no difference.

    By the way, whatever happened to the Sprint and Cingular lawsuits over
    "Fewest Dropped Calls" and "Most Powerful Network?" I never saw any news
    stories about how these were resolved.



  12. #57
    Mr. Strat
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Mobiles linked to disturbed sleep

    In article <[email protected]>, John Navas
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Using a mobile phone before going to bed could stop you getting a
    > decent night's sleep, research suggests.


    Now we know what's caused your problem.



  13. #58
    g
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Mobiles linked to disturbed sleep



    SMS wrote:
    > I forgot, "Fewest Dropped Rads."
    >
    > If they need help in this, they can hire the marketing
    > person from Cingular that came up with "Fewest Dropped Calls." If the
    > company doing the study claims that the carriers are misinterpreting the
    > study, it makes no difference.
    >
    > By the way, whatever happened to the Sprint and Cingular lawsuits over
    > "Fewest Dropped Calls" and "Most Powerful Network?" I never saw any news
    > stories about how these were resolved.


    I don't know what happened WRT any pertinent lawsuits but I'd have to
    say the "fewest dropped rads" may have more merit than "fewest dropped
    calls" at least from a technical efficiency perspective.

    The fundamental problem with getting 3G and beyond coverage is "dropped
    rads", or somewhat more precisely, the excess propagation loss due to
    real terrain and environments. If we were on a flat earth with no
    obstacles, we'd already have 4G anywhere we wanted it. It's the "dropped
    rads" that are preventing it. Typical cell links can have all but one
    millionth (-60 dB) of the power that would have arrived in a LOS/flat
    earth environment actually get to the phone. Those "dropped rads" are
    the difference between 10 kBs (voice) and 10 Gbs (I-don't-know-what
    application).

    However, the term "rad" or "radiation" is a tough one to market. It's
    going to take all that they can muster to spin it so that it is
    palatable. The public in general doesn't seem to like words like
    "nuclear" and "radiation" that relate to the unseen. Thus anything that
    uses them becomes suspect.

    The really big source of radiation we all share, the sun, delivers
    roughly one KILOWATT every square meter on the earth. It is the
    identified cause of all sorts of skin problems, cancers, melanomas etc.
    It is arguably a million times worse than cell phones in regard to the
    energy delivered yet we absorb it, bask in it and relish the charring
    (OK, "tan") it produces on our bodies. In it's absence people pay money
    to go sit under other radiation to get the same effect. BUT, mention an
    unseen form of 'radiation' and everything changes, 'nuclear' families
    and 'radiant' smiles notwithstanding.

    g



  14. #59
    Richard B. Gilbert
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Mobiles linked to disturbed sleep

    Jer wrote:
    > John Navas wrote:
    >
    >> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7199659.stm>
    >>
    >> Using a mobile phone before going to bed could stop you getting a
    >> decent night's sleep, research suggests.
    >> The study, funded by mobile phone companies, suggests radiation from
    >> the handset can cause insomnia, headaches and confusion.
    >> It may also cut our amount of deep sleep - interfering with the
    >> body's ability to refresh itself.
    >> The study was carried out by Sweden's Karolinska Institute and Wayne
    >> State University in the US.
    >> Funded by the Mobile Manufacturers Forum, the scientists studied 35
    >> men and 36 women aged between 18 and 45.
    >> Some were exposed to radiation equivalent to that received when using
    >> a mobile phone, others were placed in the same conditions, but given
    >> only "sham" exposure.
    >> Those exposed to radiation took longer to enter the first of the
    >> deeper stages of sleep, and spent less time in the deepest one.
    >> The scientists concluded: "The study indicates that during laboratory
    >> exposure to 884 MHz wireless signals components of sleep believed to
    >> be important for recovery from daily wear and tear are adversely
    >> affected."
    >> Researcher Professor Bengt Arnetz said: "The study strongly suggests
    >> that mobile phone use is associated with specific changes in the
    >> areas of the brain responsible for activating and coordinating the
    >> stress system."
    >> Another theory is that radiation may disrupt production of the
    >> hormone melatonin, which controls the body's internal rhythms.
    >> [MORE]
    >>

    >
    >
    > Then I guess we shouldn't leave the cell turned on lying on a bedside
    > table unless it's wrapped in two layers of tin foil.
    >


    Uh Oh! Does everyone have their tin foil hat withing reach? ;-)





  15. #60
    clifto
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Mobiles linked to disturbed sleep

    g wrote:
    > The really big source of radiation we all share, the sun, delivers
    > roughly one KILOWATT every square meter on the earth. It is the
    > identified cause of all sorts of skin problems, cancers, melanomas etc.


    Nonsense. All cancer is caused by smoking.

    --
    God help us all,
    The next President of the United States will be a liberal.



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