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  1. #31
    John Navas
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    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"

    On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:51:45 -0700, Todd Allcock
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >At 16 Jan 2008 06:31:27 +0000 John Navas wrote:
    >
    >> >Agreed. However, it creates problems in limiting consumer options. For
    >> >example, when my first digital camera, a Nikon 775, threw a seven,
    >> >I automatically discounted ANY Sony from consideration as a replacement
    >> >because Sony's proprietary MS card format wouldn't work with my (at
    >> >the time) considerable investment in 128MB CF cards.

    >>
    >> How does that limit consumer options? That's more flash card form
    >> factors, not less.

    >
    >It limits options the same way a Mac user has limited software options and
    >has to shop off of the tiny Mac rack at the back of the store.


    I don't think that's a valid analogy, and I still don't see how this
    really limits choice in any meaningful way.

    >As I'd
    >said, I'd already decided, due to my investment (at the time) in CF card
    >readers and cards to only buy a camera with CF support. That left Sony out
    >of contention.


    I see that as a matter of personal choice, not lack of options. Sony
    was an option, but not one that fit your requirements.

    Do you also insist that any new camera use the same accessories, same
    power adapters, etc.?

    >When I buy a 60-watt light bulb, every manufacturer of light bulbs can try
    >and woo me, because they all have the same threaded ends that fit my
    >sockets at home. ...


    All of them?! I probably have more than a dozen different bulb types.
    When choosing a new light fixture, what bulb it uses is not something
    I worry about as long as I can easily get replacements.

    >I don't need to woory if the Philips bulb fits my GE
    >socket. When manufacturers adopt different standards, be it VHS/Beta, Blu-
    >Ray HD-DVD, etc. it forces customers to select a technology and makes
    >switching harder. ...


    On the other hand it tends to optimize the design, which may well have
    significant benefits. It's a matter of tradeoffs. Would you only buy a
    camcorder that uses VHS tape?!

    >> Burger King doesn't sell Big Macs,
    >> but that doesn't reduce options either.

    >
    >Right- because McD's and BK are both using the same standard: food
    >ostensibly designed for human consumption. ...


    But they are different, and many (including me) would argue they aren't
    ready substitutes for each other.

    >> There are many non-standard G variants on the market, and I suspect
    >> there will be non-standard N variants as well.

    >
    >I've never a seen a non-standard B or G variant that wasn't at least
    >backwards-compatible with the actual standard, but may have also added
    >features (longer-range, or better security, for example) when used with
    >other "variant" models.


    But they aren't being used that way, or those features wouldn't exist,
    and they do limit choice (by your definition) since you have to buy gear
    from the same manufacturer for the non-standard features to work.

    >So, unless TransferJet also supports BT 1.0 and 2.0,
    >that's a moot analogy as well.


    I don't see any relevance or relationship to Bluetooth, any more than
    with Wi-Fi. TransferJet is different and complementary, not a
    replacement.

    >> Sure -- it greatly reduces RF interference with other products.

    >
    >Might that not have been accomplished by an actual useable range, like, oh,
    >6 inches, a foot, or call me crazy, a meter? ...


    It's a function of the specific design that isn't present in other
    wireless technologies -- read the details.

    >> Form factor. Long and skinny is perfect for some devices.

    >
    >I don't recall MS (full sized) being that much skinnier than (full-sized) SD.


    It was and is skinnier than other formats available at the same time.

    > Besides- that's sort of a strawman argument, because very rarely, in
    >practice, was MemoryStick chosen by a manufacturer by practicality rather
    >than politics (like xD, another redundant "standard" format.)


    I know of several devices where the shape of Memory Stick was used to
    advantage.

    >> I see no reason not to buy just because of TransferJet. It's not like
    >> Memory Stick. Don't want it; don't use it.

    >
    >Obviously the addition of TJ on, say, a 60" HDTV will be a negligible cost
    >and not really affect a purchase decision, I'm thinking more fronm the
    >small-peripheral end, where adding a technology often raises cost, and
    >reduces the likelyhood that an actual usefulfunction will be included. A,
    >say, $15 manufacturing cost to add TJ to a small digicam might represent 10-
    >20% of the retail price, but more importantly, force them to leave out WiFi
    >for cost/size issues.


    Based on Bluetooth costs and Sony statements, I'm guessing the added
    cost for TransferJet will get down to less than $1, perhaps less than
    the total cost of a mini-USB connector.

    >> I love the idea of just touching my digital camera to my computer to
    >> instantly transfer all its pictures.

    >
    >Cool in a 1950's Sci-Fi B-movie sort of way. Less cool when the transfer
    >is interuppted when, after "touching," you set the camera down FOUR cm from
    >the TJ sensor instead of 3!


    Not if it's designed properly. I'm pretty confident Sony will handle
    issues like that gracefully.

    >TransferJet sounds a lot more like a connector-less "dock" than what we'd
    >typically call wireless. You probably aren't going to "touch" the camera
    >to the TV or PC as much as you'll "set" it there until the transfer
    >completes.


    Maybe, but transfer may well be fast enough that holding it won't be an
    issue, and I'm guessing that TransferJet spots will be clearly marked,
    and that interrupted transfers will be clearly signaled and able to be
    resumed.

    >> Likewise to my cell phone.
    >> Likewise to a photo printer. Likewise to a TV.

    >
    >Except with BT, you could be anywhere in the room. With WiFi you could be
    >anywhere in the house. With TCP/IP you can be anywhere in the world...


    Only if I'm willing to put up with big hassles and risks. The
    simplicity, ease and security of TransferJet are very appealing to the
    average user. Heck, they are very appealing to me.

    >If
    >I'm choosing my camera based on what transfer capabilities it offers, the
    >3cm wireless one is last on the list.


    I personally won't pay much attention unless and until TransferJet
    reaches critical mass, just as with Bluetooth, but then it might well
    become a significant factor for me, again just as with Bluetooth.

    When Bluetooth was conceived, there were many arguing that it was
    redundant to Wi-Fi, much like your arguments against TransferJet, but
    Bluetooth is now widely accepted as filling a niche that Wi-Fi doesn't
    handle well, and I think the same is quite possible for TransferJet.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



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  2. #32
    John Navas
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    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"

    On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:00:35 -0500, News <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >John Navas wrote:
    >
    >>Ultimately the fatal flaw for HD DVD may prove to be stupid marketing,
    >>an area in which Sony is masterful.


    >Right. Worked so well for BetaMax.


    Marketing was actually quite good. Problem was lack of partners, and
    shorter recording time, neither of which are issues with Blu-Ray. Sony
    clearly learned.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  3. #33
    larry
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    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"

    John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
    news[email protected]:

    > That's more flash card form
    > factors, not less.


    Did you guys see the Sandisk 12GB microSD cards?

    http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/07/s...o-a-microsdhc-
    card/

    or the Sandisk 72GB SSD?

    http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/07/h...-72gb-ssd-and-
    friends/

    (pant)(pant)(pant).....(c;

    How big does SDHC support, anyhow??

    I just loaded the new Wayfinder/Navicore upgrade onto the 8GB internal
    SDHC card in the Nokia N800 with ALL the maps of North America on it at
    about 2.5GB. Just for fun, I added voice support for a few odd
    languages for the driving directions, in case someone new is in my car.
    Arabic makes them nervous...(c; "Baghdad Taxi?"

    8GB SDHC cards keep getting smaller and smaller. 32GB SDHC cards (2)
    would be really nice to help relieve the storage crunch...(c;




  4. #34
    John Navas
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    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"

    On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:47:31 +0000, larry <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
    >news[email protected]:
    >
    >> That's more flash card form
    >> factors, not less.

    >
    >Did you guys see the Sandisk 12GB microSD cards?
    >
    >http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/07/s...o-a-microsdhc-
    >card/
    >
    >or the Sandisk 72GB SSD?
    >
    >http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/07/h...-72gb-ssd-and-
    >friends/
    >
    >(pant)(pant)(pant).....(c;
    >
    >How big does SDHC support, anyhow??


    Theoretical maximum capacity is 2048 GB, although I suspect many devices
    have much lower limits.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  5. #35
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology"TransferJet"

    At 16 Jan 2008 17:50:56 +0000 John Navas wrote:

    > I think the biggest difference in the market, other than price, is that
    > "Blu-Ray" is a cooler name that sounds more impressive than "HD DVD".



    Agreed. Am I the only prso who thought "HDVD" would've been a better
    handle? Consumers hate long alphabet names unless they ***** something,
    sine every letter is another syllable when saying it. Even the PCMCIA
    folks figured that out by transitioning to "PC card." (Three syllables
    instead of six.)





  6. #36
    Richard B. Gilbert
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology"TransferJet"

    News wrote:
    >
    >
    > John Navas wrote:
    >
    >> Ultimately the fatal flaw for HD DVD may prove to be stupid marketing,
    >> an area in which Sony is masterful.
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Right. Worked so well for BetaMax.



    What killed BetaMax was not marketing but patents!
    Sony patented the BetaMax format and refused to license the patents.

    The owners of VHS were more than willing to license their patents to
    anyone for a reasonable royalty. The result was that VHS players, blank
    tapes, pre-recorded tapes, etc, were readily available from just about
    everyone.

    The BetaMax format was technically superior but not enough so to save
    Sony! Needless to say, the owners of VHS have done VERY well for
    themselves.

    See the history of IEEE-488 otherwise known as HPIB or GPIB for another
    example of how to do it right. Anyone can license HP's patent on very
    reasonable terms and a lot of manufacturers do. If you want to connect
    electronic instruments to a computer and use it to control the
    instruments and read data from them, HPIB is the way to go.




  7. #37
    Joel Koltner
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"

    "Richard B. Gilbert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > If you want to connect electronic instruments to a computer and use it to
    > control the instruments and read data from them, HPIB is the way to go.


    Historically, yes... but within the past 5 years or so, pretty much anything
    new has Ethernet on it anyway which is even better and certainly a lot more
    ubiquitous.

    HPIB has had a very good run, certainly.





  8. #38
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology"TransferJet"

    At 16 Jan 2008 18:22:54 +0000 John Navas wrote:

    > >It limits options the same way a Mac user has limited software options

    and
    > >has to shop off of the tiny Mac rack at the back of the store.

    >
    > I don't think that's a valid analogy, and I still don't see how this
    > really limits choice in any meaningful way.



    It limited my choice- all else being equal, I'll ignore the proprietary
    device.


    > >As I'd
    > >said, I'd already decided, due to my investment (at the time) in CF card
    > >readers and cards to only buy a camera with CF support. That left Sony

    out
    > >of contention.

    >
    > I see that as a matter of personal choice, not lack of options.


    Fair enough. Either way, Sony has never sold me a digicam or an MP3 player.

    > Sony
    > was an option, but not one that fit your requirements.



    Agreed, similarly Sony was an "option" when I bought a second VCR for a
    bedroom twenty years ago, but not a Viable one if I wanted to share
    recordings with the other (VHS) VCR in the house.


    > Do you also insist that any new camera use the same accessories, same
    > power adapters, etc.?



    All else being equal, it's preferable. I replaced the Nikon with a newer
    model that used the same chargers and batteries. I stuck with Nokia phones
    for nearly two decades partly because they changed AC/DC adapters so
    infrequently.

    > On the other hand it tends to optimize the design, which may well have
    > significant benefits. It's a matter of tradeoffs. Would you only buy a
    > camcorder that uses VHS tape?!


    Not necessarily, but it would be a significat factor in the decision (in
    those days.) Would you buy a camcoder that used, say, a proprietary disc
    if a different brand had similar features, size, quality and price but used
    DVD-Rs instead?

    > But they are different, and many (including me) would argue they aren't
    > ready substitutes for each other.



    Sure- but your choice is based solely on preference, rather that
    "compatiblity"- both are (hopefully) edible/non-poisonous! Back in my
    NikOn replacement days, I looked at Nikons, Canons and a few others that
    would ay well with my CF-car collection. Sony wasn't even considered. I
    had plenty of acceptable "standard" choices to not need "non-standard" ones.

    > >> Form factor. Long and skinny is perfect for some devices.

    > >
    > >I don't recall MS (full sized) being that much skinnier than (full-sized)

    SD.
    >
    > It was and is skinnier than other formats available at the same time.



    But not by much, and Certainly not by enough to have warrented another form
    factor without other more "important" considerations (like avoiding
    licensing fees, or attempting to lock customers into a proprietary form
    factor.)

    > > Besides- that's sort of a strawman argument, because very rarely, in
    > >practice, was MemoryStick chosen by a manufacturer by practicality

    rather
    > >than politics (like xD, another redundant "standard" format.)

    >
    > I know of several devices where the shape of Memory Stick was used to
    > advantage.


    Perhaps, orperhaps the product was designed around the stick to give that
    illusion- i.e. a long skinny MP3 player vs. a shorter, squatter one with
    the same or less cubic volume.

    > Based on Bluetooth costs and Sony statements, I'm guessing the added
    > cost for TransferJet will get down to less than $1, perhaps less than
    > the total cost of a mini-USB connector.



    For Sony, maybe, but not for competitors licensing it from Sony!


    > >Except with BT, you could be anywhere in the room. With WiFi you could

    be
    > >anywhere in the house. With TCP/IP you can be anywhere in the world...

    >
    > Only if I'm willing to put up with big hassles and risks. The
    > simplicity, ease and security of TransferJet are very appealing to the
    > average user.


    Again, as a substitute for a dock, perhaps.

    > Heck, they are very appealing to me.



    To me it sounds like 21st century infrared- we've just replaced line of
    sight with close proximity- it'll have it's uses, perhaps (like IR did) ut
    too few to be widely accepted.


    > I personally won't pay much attention unless and until TransferJet
    > reaches critical mass, just as with Bluetooth, but then it might well
    > become a significant factor for me, again just as with Bluetooth.



    Fair enough- many ig ored BT until enough of their stuff just happened to
    have come with it. TJ'll likely be the same- more of a "hey, look what my
    camera I just bought can do" rather than "do you sell a camera that
    transfer pictures to my PC if I lay it on top?"


    > When Bluetooth was conceived, there were many arguing that it was
    > redundant to Wi-Fi, much like your arguments against TransferJet, but
    > Bluetooth is now widely accepted as filling a niche that Wi-Fi doesn't
    > handle well, and I think the same is quite possible for TransferJet.


    Perhaps, but few people use BT for actual "networking", so those WiFi
    arguments were, in effect, mostly correct- BT found it's niche in audio
    (headsets/AD2P) and file transfers. TJ seems to be pushing file transfer
    as it's forte, which BT already does quite well. If Sony has more tricks
    up it's sleeve that BT can't do (i.e. wireless battery charging ) then I
    agree TJ will find a consumer niche. Bluetooth survived and prospered
    because it did what WiFi couldn't do (or do easily), not because we all
    wanted a shorter range version of existing wireless technology. TJ needs
    to offer more than "it's like BT but faster and shorter!" to survive.
    (Although FAA approval for use on aircraft might be a big help! The
    ability to high-speed wirelessly transfer data between devices without
    bringing the "right" cables on a plane would be a "killer app" for TJ.)





  9. #39
    larry
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"

    Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in news:9Xvjj.80$1U4.8
    @fe117.usenetserver.com:

    > I stuck with Nokia phones
    > for nearly two decades partly because they changed AC/DC adapters so
    > infrequently.
    >


    We USED to do this with Motorola phones, too. When you changed models
    from, say a flipphone to the SC725, my first digital, you simply slid the
    battery pack off the flipphones and they plugged right into the 725, all
    charged up from the SAME dropin charger you'd had for years.

    Moto has solved that problem. NOTHING fits anything until VERY recently
    when someone decided they were going to us camera miniUSB plugs for AC/DC
    power/data cables, now.

    Sure miss my 4-bay drop-in charger that sat on my dresser. It's where you
    STORED the phones by simply dropping them in. Damned USB plugs have an
    UPSIDE DOWN mode.




  10. #40
    Joel Koltner
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"

    "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > (Although FAA approval for use on aircraft might be a big help! The
    > ability to high-speed wirelessly transfer data between devices without
    > bringing the "right" cables on a plane would be a "killer app" for TJ.)


    JetBlue already has WiFi on their flights, and several other carriers will
    sometime this year.

    To the average user, as soon as they're told that "wireless networking devices
    can now be turned on" from the flight attendant, you can bet they're going to
    be using BlueTooth and any other wireless peripherals they have, regardless of
    the particular standard used.





  11. #41
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"

    ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
    On 2008-01-16, larry <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Moto has solved that problem. NOTHING fits anything until VERY recently
    > when someone decided they were going to us camera miniUSB plugs for AC/DC
    > power/data cables, now.


    What pisses me off about my Nokia 6133 is that even though (unlike Motorola)
    Nokia makes their phone management software available at no charge, and my
    wife's Nokia 5300 XpressMusic uses a standard USB cable, mine uses the
    proprietary Nokia CA-53 data cable. So until I buy one, I can't transfer
    apps, ringers, etc.

    At least I can get one on eBay for $4 including shipping (and that's a Buy
    It Now price). I just haven't done it yet.


    --
    Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com
    Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol




  12. #42
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"

    On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:29:59 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >"Richard B. Gilbert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> If you want to connect electronic instruments to a computer and use it to
    >> control the instruments and read data from them, HPIB is the way to go.

    >
    >Historically, yes... but within the past 5 years or so, pretty much anything
    >new has Ethernet on it anyway which is even better and certainly a lot more
    >ubiquitous.
    >
    >HPIB has had a very good run, certainly.


    HPIB is still very much alive and very widely used.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  13. #43
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"

    On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:57:12 -0700, Todd Allcock
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >At 16 Jan 2008 17:50:56 +0000 John Navas wrote:
    >
    >> I think the biggest difference in the market, other than price, is that
    >> "Blu-Ray" is a cooler name that sounds more impressive than "HD DVD".

    >
    >Agreed. Am I the only prso who thought "HDVD" would've been a better
    >handle? Consumers hate long alphabet names unless they ***** something,
    >sine every letter is another syllable when saying it. Even the PCMCIA
    >folks figured that out by transitioning to "PC card." (Three syllables
    >instead of six.)


    I think even "Ultra DVD" would have been better, length notwithstanding.
    What matters is the message. Blu-Ray sounds like future tech or even
    sci-fi. "HD DVD" sounds like an engineer mumbling.

    The big mistake IMHO was in assuming "HD" meant anything impressive to
    the consumer market, whereas the "HD" experience has actually been so
    bad for so many consumers that it's become something of a term for
    expensive disappointment.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  14. #44
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"

    On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:37:39 -0700, Todd Allcock
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >At 16 Jan 2008 18:22:54 +0000 John Navas wrote:


    >> On the other hand it tends to optimize the design, which may well have
    >> significant benefits. It's a matter of tradeoffs. Would you only buy a
    >> camcorder that uses VHS tape?!

    >
    >Not necessarily, but it would be a significat factor in the decision (in
    >those days.)


    You're much more of a glutton for punishment than I am -- I would never
    have bought one of those clunkers (even though I had lots of VHS stuff)!

    >Would you buy a camcoder that used, say, a proprietary disc
    >if a different brand had similar features, size, quality and price but used
    >DVD-Rs instead?


    No, just like I would buy a non-Sony product if it was just like the
    Sony product except for Memory Stick. But since it's never that close,
    memory card format is not something that I pay any more attention to.

    >> But they are different, and many (including me) would argue they aren't
    >> ready substitutes for each other.

    >
    >Sure- but your choice is based solely on preference, rather that
    >"compatiblity"- both are (hopefully) edible/non-poisonous!


    It's actually preference in both of our cases.

    >> It was and is skinnier than other formats available at the same time.

    >
    >But not by much, and Certainly not by enough to have warrented another form
    >factor without other more "important" considerations (like avoiding
    >licensing fees, or attempting to lock customers into a proprietary form
    >factor.)


    I don't agree.

    >> Based on Bluetooth costs and Sony statements, I'm guessing the added
    >> cost for TransferJet will get down to less than $1, perhaps less than
    >> the total cost of a mini-USB connector.

    >
    >For Sony, maybe, but not for competitors licensing it from Sony!


    I think you're wrong.

    >> When Bluetooth was conceived, there were many arguing that it was
    >> redundant to Wi-Fi, much like your arguments against TransferJet, but
    >> Bluetooth is now widely accepted as filling a niche that Wi-Fi doesn't
    >> handle well, and I think the same is quite possible for TransferJet.

    >
    >Perhaps, but few people use BT for actual "networking", so those WiFi
    >arguments were, in effect, mostly correct- BT found it's niche in audio
    >(headsets/AD2P) and file transfers. TJ seems to be pushing file transfer
    >as it's forte, which BT already does quite well.


    Had me fooled. I think Bluetooth stacks, profiles, pairing and devices
    are a near nightmare. I'd love to sweep all that crap away for
    something simple, reliable, and effective.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  15. #45
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"

    On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:52:13 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> (Although FAA approval for use on aircraft might be a big help! The
    >> ability to high-speed wirelessly transfer data between devices without
    >> bringing the "right" cables on a plane would be a "killer app" for TJ.)

    >
    >JetBlue already has WiFi on their flights, and several other carriers will
    >sometime this year.
    >
    >To the average user, as soon as they're told that "wireless networking devices
    >can now be turned on" from the flight attendant, you can bet they're going to
    >be using BlueTooth and any other wireless peripherals they have, regardless of
    >the particular standard used.


    Bluetooth is the same frequency and lower power than Wi-Fi, so where
    Wi-Fi is OK, Bluetooth is no problem either. Other forms of wireless
    could be a totally different matter.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



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