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  1. #46
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology"TransferJet"

    At 17 Jan 2008 01:42:01 +0000 John Navas wrote:

    > You're much more of a glutton for punishment than I am -- I would never
    > have bought one of those clunkers (even though I had lots of VHS stuff)!



    Compared the U-Matics that came before them, they were a comparitive joy to
    lug around! ;-)


    > >Perhaps, but few people use BT for actual "networking", so those WiFi
    > >arguments were, in effect, mostly correct- BT found it's niche in audio
    > >(headsets/AD2P) and file transfers. TJ seems to be pushing file transfer
    > >as it's forte, which BT already does quite well.

    >
    > Had me fooled. I think Bluetooth stacks, profiles, pairing and devices
    > are a near nightmare. I'd love to sweep all that crap away for
    > something simple, reliable, and effective.


    That's the fault of bad software, however. Just like WiFi was a pain in
    the butt before the days of "zero config." On a modern device, BT is as
    easy as selecting a file, selecting "send via BT" and entering a passcode.
    No profiles to fool with, or pairing ahead of time. TJ might make it easier,
    if you're willing to accept proximity as a subsitute for encryption, but I
    suspect some form of "pairing" authentication would still be required, else
    anyone could siphon of your files as long as they can get within 3cm of
    your stuff! ;-)





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  2. #47
    John Navas
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    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"

    On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:31:35 -0700, Todd Allcock
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >At 17 Jan 2008 01:42:01 +0000 John Navas wrote:
    >
    >> You're much more of a glutton for punishment than I am -- I would never
    >> have bought one of those clunkers (even though I had lots of VHS stuff)!

    >
    >Compared the U-Matics that came before them, they were a comparitive joy to
    >lug around! ;-)


    True enough. LOL

    >> Had me fooled. I think Bluetooth stacks, profiles, pairing and devices
    >> are a near nightmare. I'd love to sweep all that crap away for
    >> something simple, reliable, and effective.

    >
    >That's the fault of bad software, however.


    I see it as actually part of the overly ambitious and complex objectives
    for Bluetooth, part of the reason I'm in favor of a much simpler
    protocol.

    >Just like WiFi was a pain in
    >the butt before the days of "zero config."


    Bluetooth is way worse than Wi-Fi ever was, even worse than USB in its
    painful infancy.

    >On a modern device, BT is as
    >easy as selecting a file, selecting "send via BT" and entering a passcode.


    Under ideal conditions, if the device supports it, and if installation
    has been debugged. I get calls all the time from people that can't get
    it to work.

    >No profiles to fool with, or pairing ahead of time. TJ might make it easier,
    >if you're willing to accept proximity as a subsitute for encryption, but I
    >suspect some form of "pairing" authentication would still be required, else
    >anyone could siphon of your files as long as they can get within 3cm of
    >your stuff! ;-)


    From what I understand, setting approved devices is much, much simpler.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  3. #48
    larry
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    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"

    John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    >>Compared the U-Matics that came before them, they were a comparitive
    >>joy to lug around! ;-)

    >
    > True enough. LOL
    >


    HEY! Y'all don't make fun of mah VIDEO DECK!




  4. #49
    clifto
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    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"

    Todd Allcock wrote:
    > At 17 Jan 2008 01:42:01 +0000 John Navas wrote:
    >
    >> You're much more of a glutton for punishment than I am -- I would never
    >> have bought one of those clunkers (even though I had lots of VHS stuff)!

    >
    > Compared the U-Matics that came before them, they were a comparitive joy to
    > lug around! ;-)


    Given the far better video of a U-Matic, I'd settle. Some like the pre-A
    VO-2850 could go two or three generations and still have decent quality.

    --
    If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
    my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.



  5. #50
    Tinman
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    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"

    Todd Allcock wrote:
    > At 16 Jan 2008 18:22:54 +0000 John Navas wrote:
    >
    >
    >>> As I'd
    >>> said, I'd already decided, due to my investment (at the time) in CF
    >>> card readers and cards to only buy a camera with CF support. That
    >>> left Sony out of contention.

    >>
    >> I see that as a matter of personal choice, not lack of options.

    >
    > Fair enough. Either way, Sony has never sold me a digicam or an MP3
    > player.
    >


    Nor I, and all due to MemoryStick, and all its variants. It wasn't smaller,
    better, or even cheaper than other formats. And I usually owned media in the
    other formats. No way would I choose Sony.

    Sure, memory is cheaper now, but it hasn't always been that way. And now
    that memory is cheaper I am not about to reward Sony for it.

    Heck, if Sony weren't attached to Blu-Ray it probably would have completely
    finished off HD-DVD by now. Fortunately they aren't in control of it, so I
    will reluctantly support it (via a PS3).



    --
    Mike





  6. #51
    John Navas
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    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"

    On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:18:06 -0600, clifto <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >Todd Allcock wrote:
    >> At 17 Jan 2008 01:42:01 +0000 John Navas wrote:
    >>
    >>> You're much more of a glutton for punishment than I am -- I would never
    >>> have bought one of those clunkers (even though I had lots of VHS stuff)!

    >>
    >> Compared the U-Matics that came before them, they were a comparitive joy to
    >> lug around! ;-)

    >
    >Given the far better video of a U-Matic, I'd settle. Some like the pre-A
    >VO-2850 could go two or three generations and still have decent quality.


    I'd settle for a 3-chip miniDV camcorder, which would blow it away on
    both handling ease and image quality. For legacy I'd go with Betacam.

    I'd digitize U-Matic video before messing with it at all -- I can
    clearly see the quality loss in even 2nd generation.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  7. #52
    clifto
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"

    John Navas wrote:
    > On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:18:06 -0600, clifto <[email protected]> wrote in
    > <[email protected]>:
    >>Todd Allcock wrote:
    >>> At 17 Jan 2008 01:42:01 +0000 John Navas wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> You're much more of a glutton for punishment than I am -- I would never
    >>>> have bought one of those clunkers (even though I had lots of VHS stuff)!
    >>>
    >>> Compared the U-Matics that came before them, they were a comparitive joy to
    >>> lug around! ;-)

    >>
    >>Given the far better video of a U-Matic, I'd settle. Some like the pre-A
    >>VO-2850 could go two or three generations and still have decent quality.

    >
    > I'd settle for a 3-chip miniDV camcorder, which would blow it away on
    > both handling ease and image quality. For legacy I'd go with Betacam.
    >
    > I'd digitize U-Matic video before messing with it at all -- I can
    > clearly see the quality loss in even 2nd generation.


    No question with today's equipment that would be better. And what I said
    naturally doesn't apply to most other U-Matic machines, which showed
    notable degradation on 2nd gen copies. Haven't seen miniDV video up close
    and personal yet so I'll defer judgment, but it sounds worth seeing.

    --
    If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
    my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.



  8. #53
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology"TransferJet"

    Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
    > In alt.cellular.sprintpcs John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> [shrug] That used to be a significant factor, but memory is not dirt
    >> cheap, and old memory can be sold in any event. The same issue exists
    >> with batteries and accessories. I don't see that as limiting consumer
    >> options, just a factor in the purchase decision.
    >>

    >
    > Sony and its practice of vendor lock-in are one of the main reasons that the
    > Blu-Ray HDDVD wars has not been settled. I think few argue that BluRay is a
    > better technology, but it may not be worth the cost. (Personally, I believe
    > the way things are going, Blu-Ray will be the ultimate winner and HDDVD will
    > go the way of Betamax).


    You mean it'll be adapted for use in TV studios? I was just in a TV
    studio in San Jose today, with digital betacam cassettes everywhere.



  9. #54
    clifto
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"

    SMS wrote:
    > Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
    >> In alt.cellular.sprintpcs John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> [shrug] That used to be a significant factor, but memory is not dirt
    >>> cheap, and old memory can be sold in any event. The same issue exists
    >>> with batteries and accessories. I don't see that as limiting consumer
    >>> options, just a factor in the purchase decision.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Sony and its practice of vendor lock-in are one of the main reasons that the
    >> Blu-Ray HDDVD wars has not been settled. I think few argue that BluRay is a
    >> better technology, but it may not be worth the cost. (Personally, I believe
    >> the way things are going, Blu-Ray will be the ultimate winner and HDDVD will
    >> go the way of Betamax).

    >
    > You mean it'll be adapted for use in TV studios? I was just in a TV
    > studio in San Jose today, with digital betacam cassettes everywhere.


    Digital BetaCam : Betamax :: band : rubber band

    --
    If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
    my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.



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