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- 01-16-2008, 08:31 PM #46Todd AllcockGuest
Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology"TransferJet"
At 17 Jan 2008 01:42:01 +0000 John Navas wrote:
> You're much more of a glutton for punishment than I am -- I would never
> have bought one of those clunkers (even though I had lots of VHS stuff)!
Compared the U-Matics that came before them, they were a comparitive joy to
lug around! ;-)
> >Perhaps, but few people use BT for actual "networking", so those WiFi
> >arguments were, in effect, mostly correct- BT found it's niche in audio
> >(headsets/AD2P) and file transfers. TJ seems to be pushing file transfer
> >as it's forte, which BT already does quite well.
>
> Had me fooled. I think Bluetooth stacks, profiles, pairing and devices
> are a near nightmare. I'd love to sweep all that crap away for
> something simple, reliable, and effective.
That's the fault of bad software, however. Just like WiFi was a pain in
the butt before the days of "zero config." On a modern device, BT is as
easy as selecting a file, selecting "send via BT" and entering a passcode.
No profiles to fool with, or pairing ahead of time. TJ might make it easier,
if you're willing to accept proximity as a subsitute for encryption, but I
suspect some form of "pairing" authentication would still be required, else
anyone could siphon of your files as long as they can get within 3cm of
your stuff! ;-)
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- 01-16-2008, 09:13 PM #47John NavasGuest
Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:31:35 -0700, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:
>At 17 Jan 2008 01:42:01 +0000 John Navas wrote:
>
>> You're much more of a glutton for punishment than I am -- I would never
>> have bought one of those clunkers (even though I had lots of VHS stuff)!
>
>Compared the U-Matics that came before them, they were a comparitive joy to
>lug around! ;-)
True enough. LOL
>> Had me fooled. I think Bluetooth stacks, profiles, pairing and devices
>> are a near nightmare. I'd love to sweep all that crap away for
>> something simple, reliable, and effective.
>
>That's the fault of bad software, however.
I see it as actually part of the overly ambitious and complex objectives
for Bluetooth, part of the reason I'm in favor of a much simpler
protocol.
>Just like WiFi was a pain in
>the butt before the days of "zero config."
Bluetooth is way worse than Wi-Fi ever was, even worse than USB in its
painful infancy.
>On a modern device, BT is as
>easy as selecting a file, selecting "send via BT" and entering a passcode.
Under ideal conditions, if the device supports it, and if installation
has been debugged. I get calls all the time from people that can't get
it to work.
>No profiles to fool with, or pairing ahead of time. TJ might make it easier,
>if you're willing to accept proximity as a subsitute for encryption, but I
>suspect some form of "pairing" authentication would still be required, else
>anyone could siphon of your files as long as they can get within 3cm of
>your stuff! ;-)
From what I understand, setting approved devices is much, much simpler.
--
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- 01-17-2008, 12:02 AM #48larryGuest
Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>>Compared the U-Matics that came before them, they were a comparitive
>>joy to lug around! ;-)
>
> True enough. LOL
>
HEY! Y'all don't make fun of mah VIDEO DECK!
- 01-17-2008, 12:18 PM #49cliftoGuest
Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"
Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 17 Jan 2008 01:42:01 +0000 John Navas wrote:
>
>> You're much more of a glutton for punishment than I am -- I would never
>> have bought one of those clunkers (even though I had lots of VHS stuff)!
>
> Compared the U-Matics that came before them, they were a comparitive joy to
> lug around! ;-)
Given the far better video of a U-Matic, I'd settle. Some like the pre-A
VO-2850 could go two or three generations and still have decent quality.
--
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my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.
- 01-17-2008, 01:43 PM #50TinmanGuest
Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"
Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 16 Jan 2008 18:22:54 +0000 John Navas wrote:
>
>
>>> As I'd
>>> said, I'd already decided, due to my investment (at the time) in CF
>>> card readers and cards to only buy a camera with CF support. That
>>> left Sony out of contention.
>>
>> I see that as a matter of personal choice, not lack of options.
>
> Fair enough. Either way, Sony has never sold me a digicam or an MP3
> player.
>
Nor I, and all due to MemoryStick, and all its variants. It wasn't smaller,
better, or even cheaper than other formats. And I usually owned media in the
other formats. No way would I choose Sony.
Sure, memory is cheaper now, but it hasn't always been that way. And now
that memory is cheaper I am not about to reward Sony for it.
Heck, if Sony weren't attached to Blu-Ray it probably would have completely
finished off HD-DVD by now. Fortunately they aren't in control of it, so I
will reluctantly support it (via a PS3).
--
Mike
- 01-17-2008, 02:45 PM #51John NavasGuest
Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:18:06 -0600, clifto <[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:
>Todd Allcock wrote:
>> At 17 Jan 2008 01:42:01 +0000 John Navas wrote:
>>
>>> You're much more of a glutton for punishment than I am -- I would never
>>> have bought one of those clunkers (even though I had lots of VHS stuff)!
>>
>> Compared the U-Matics that came before them, they were a comparitive joy to
>> lug around! ;-)
>
>Given the far better video of a U-Matic, I'd settle. Some like the pre-A
>VO-2850 could go two or three generations and still have decent quality.
I'd settle for a 3-chip miniDV camcorder, which would blow it away on
both handling ease and image quality. For legacy I'd go with Betacam.
I'd digitize U-Matic video before messing with it at all -- I can
clearly see the quality loss in even 2nd generation.
--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
- 01-17-2008, 04:24 PM #52cliftoGuest
Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"
John Navas wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:18:06 -0600, clifto <[email protected]> wrote in
> <[email protected]>:
>>Todd Allcock wrote:
>>> At 17 Jan 2008 01:42:01 +0000 John Navas wrote:
>>>
>>>> You're much more of a glutton for punishment than I am -- I would never
>>>> have bought one of those clunkers (even though I had lots of VHS stuff)!
>>>
>>> Compared the U-Matics that came before them, they were a comparitive joy to
>>> lug around! ;-)
>>
>>Given the far better video of a U-Matic, I'd settle. Some like the pre-A
>>VO-2850 could go two or three generations and still have decent quality.
>
> I'd settle for a 3-chip miniDV camcorder, which would blow it away on
> both handling ease and image quality. For legacy I'd go with Betacam.
>
> I'd digitize U-Matic video before messing with it at all -- I can
> clearly see the quality loss in even 2nd generation.
No question with today's equipment that would be better. And what I said
naturally doesn't apply to most other U-Matic machines, which showed
notable degradation on 2nd gen copies. Haven't seen miniDV video up close
and personal yet so I'll defer judgment, but it sounds worth seeing.
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my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.
- 01-18-2008, 06:31 PM #53SMSGuest
Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology"TransferJet"
Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> In alt.cellular.sprintpcs John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [shrug] That used to be a significant factor, but memory is not dirt
>> cheap, and old memory can be sold in any event. The same issue exists
>> with batteries and accessories. I don't see that as limiting consumer
>> options, just a factor in the purchase decision.
>>
>
> Sony and its practice of vendor lock-in are one of the main reasons that the
> Blu-Ray HDDVD wars has not been settled. I think few argue that BluRay is a
> better technology, but it may not be worth the cost. (Personally, I believe
> the way things are going, Blu-Ray will be the ultimate winner and HDDVD will
> go the way of Betamax).
You mean it'll be adapted for use in TV studios? I was just in a TV
studio in San Jose today, with digital betacam cassettes everywhere.
- 01-18-2008, 08:27 PM #54cliftoGuest
Re: NEWS: Sony Develops New Close Proximity Wireless Transfer Technology "TransferJet"
SMS wrote:
> Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
>> In alt.cellular.sprintpcs John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> [shrug] That used to be a significant factor, but memory is not dirt
>>> cheap, and old memory can be sold in any event. The same issue exists
>>> with batteries and accessories. I don't see that as limiting consumer
>>> options, just a factor in the purchase decision.
>>>
>>
>> Sony and its practice of vendor lock-in are one of the main reasons that the
>> Blu-Ray HDDVD wars has not been settled. I think few argue that BluRay is a
>> better technology, but it may not be worth the cost. (Personally, I believe
>> the way things are going, Blu-Ray will be the ultimate winner and HDDVD will
>> go the way of Betamax).
>
> You mean it'll be adapted for use in TV studios? I was just in a TV
> studio in San Jose today, with digital betacam cassettes everywhere.
Digital BetaCam : Betamax :: band : rubber band
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If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.
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