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  1. #16
    Ness-Net
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    Re: NEWS: For Sprint, Job Cuts Are Just The Start Of Turnaround Moves


    "Uno" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]...
    > Sprint has the same ventors cell sites as Verizon. The different can be
    > the handsets. Cheap phones have more problems than the good one. Customer
    > service couldn't help much on poor phones. The best way can be get a
    > better phone.
    >



    "same ventors cell sites as Verizon"???????????????

    This is VERY wrong!! Please don't make statements you obviously know
    absolutely nothing about.

    Sprint may use VZW as a roaming partner, but in a Sprint native area,
    Sprint most certainly operates their own infrastructure. There may be some
    site collocation, but even in this case, it's separate antennas and
    electronics.

    Sprint operates entirely 1900Mhz (PCS). VZW operates primarily in the
    original
    800Mhz (cellular) band - and uses 1900 in some areas where they don't have
    an 800
    license - or possibly as capacity relief in large metro.




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  2. #17
    Uno
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    Re: NEWS: For Sprint, Job Cuts Are Just The Start Of Turnaround Moves

    Sprint use ventor equipment from Lucent, Nortel and Motorola which supply to
    Verizon. They may use different frequency bands but they are almost the same
    kind of equipments.


    "Ness-Net" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Uno" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news[email protected]...
    >> Sprint has the same ventors cell sites as Verizon. The different can be
    >> the handsets. Cheap phones have more problems than the good one. Customer
    >> service couldn't help much on poor phones. The best way can be get a
    >> better phone.
    >>

    >
    >
    > "same ventors cell sites as Verizon"???????????????
    >
    > This is VERY wrong!! Please don't make statements you obviously know
    > absolutely nothing about.
    >
    > Sprint may use VZW as a roaming partner, but in a Sprint native area,
    > Sprint most certainly operates their own infrastructure. There may be some
    > site collocation, but even in this case, it's separate antennas and
    > electronics.
    >
    > Sprint operates entirely 1900Mhz (PCS). VZW operates primarily in the
    > original
    > 800Mhz (cellular) band - and uses 1900 in some areas where they don't have
    > an 800
    > license - or possibly as capacity relief in large metro.
    >






  3. #18
    Ness-Net
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: For Sprint, Job Cuts Are Just The Start Of Turnaround Moves

    This is complete BS. Or you haven't a clue
    You choose. (I vote #2)

    It's like saying both a Porsche and a Kia have
    Goodyear tires, so they must run the same...

    Or.... that Apple and Dell both use Intel chips...

    1st - Verizon is a legacy 'cellular' carrier in many markets.
    (Or shall I say GTE, AirTouch, and the other companies)
    They have been providing service since the middle / late 80's in
    many of their markets. The 'PCS' licenses came along years later.
    Sprint is a PCS carrier.

    Yes, parity may have been achieved in many markets, but overall, the
    legacy 800 carriers (AT&T / VZW, etc) have the best overall coverage
    nationwide and out in the boonies.

    Physics. Wave propagation. 800 works better than 1900 - period.
    It's just that simple. Longer wavelengths penetrate better. Longer
    wavelengths carry further.



    "Uno" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Sprint use ventor equipment from Lucent, Nortel and Motorola which supply
    > to Verizon. They may use different frequency bands but they are almost the
    > same kind of equipments.
    >





  4. #19
    Uno
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: For Sprint, Job Cuts Are Just The Start Of Turnaround Moves

    This is no BS. Sprint has the same quality cellular equipments from the same
    quality CDMA telecom supplyers.


    "Ness-Net" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > This is complete BS. Or you haven't a clue
    > You choose. (I vote #2)
    >
    > It's like saying both a Porsche and a Kia have
    > Goodyear tires, so they must run the same...
    >
    > Or.... that Apple and Dell both use Intel chips...
    >
    > 1st - Verizon is a legacy 'cellular' carrier in many markets.
    > (Or shall I say GTE, AirTouch, and the other companies)
    > They have been providing service since the middle / late 80's in
    > many of their markets. The 'PCS' licenses came along years later.
    > Sprint is a PCS carrier.
    >
    > Yes, parity may have been achieved in many markets, but overall, the
    > legacy 800 carriers (AT&T / VZW, etc) have the best overall coverage
    > nationwide and out in the boonies.
    >
    > Physics. Wave propagation. 800 works better than 1900 - period.
    > It's just that simple. Longer wavelengths penetrate better. Longer
    > wavelengths carry further.
    >
    >
    >
    > "Uno" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> Sprint use ventor equipment from Lucent, Nortel and Motorola which supply
    >> to Verizon. They may use different frequency bands but they are almost
    >> the same kind of equipments.
    >>

    >






  5. #20
    Ness-Net
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: For Sprint, Job Cuts Are Just The Start Of Turnaround Moves

    Number 2 it is then...

    I am not contending that anyone's "equipments" are inferior.
    (English is your second language huh??)

    Or anyone's "equipments" is superior for that matter. What IS
    fact is that it doesn't really matter in this discussion.

    YOU stated that "Sprint has the same "ventors" cell sites as Verizon.
    The different can be the handsets."

    Translation: because Sprint and Verizon use the same infrastructure
    equipment vendors, they are essentially the same and therefore any
    user or coverage problems must be primarily in the users handset.

    This is simply preposterous and I was pointing out various reasons why.
    It is obvious you will continue your inane argument, so there is no point
    in my continuing further.

    Or, you may choose to actually see the fact(s)...


    "Uno" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:%[email protected]...
    > This is no BS. Sprint has the same quality cellular equipments from the
    > same quality CDMA telecom supplyers.
    >





  6. #21
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: For Sprint, Job Cuts Are Just The Start Of Turnaround Moves

    ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
    On 2008-01-21, Uno <[email protected]> wrote:
    > This is no BS. Sprint has the same quality cellular equipments from the same
    > quality CDMA telecom supplyers.


    Heh. So why didn't you use T-Mo or AT&T?

    Look guys, I believe this may be another iPhone shill. He's not as
    entertaining as the others.


    --
    Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com
    Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol




  7. #22
    Tim Smith
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Sprint axes 4,000 jobs, closes 125 stores

    In article <[email protected]>,
    John Navas <[email protected]> quoted:
    > Sprint said 683,000 post-paid subscribers and 202,000 prepaid
    > subscribers had done a runner in the last quarter (Q4) alone.


    OK, so 885000 left...

    ....
    > The company said that it picked up 500,000 new subscribers through
    > its wholesale channels in the last quarter, and recorded growth of
    > 256,000 Boost Unlimited users and net additions of 20,000 subscribers
    > in its affiliate channels.


    and 776000 came. That would be a net loss of 109000. Is that really
    enough to be such a crisis?

    --
    --Tim Smith



  8. #23
    Robert Coe
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: For Sprint, Job Cuts Are Just The Start Of Turnaround Moves

    On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:23:38 -0800, Pegleg <[email protected]> wrote:
    : On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:11:52 -0800, "Jar-Jar Binks" <[email protected]>
    : wrote:
    :
    : >I live in northeast Ohio, and I travel in/around Toledo, Cleveand,
    : >Columbus, Cincinnati, Cambridge, and tiny little towns in between that
    : >don't make most maps. I travel to Chicago, New York, South Florida,
    : >Houston, and the US Virgin Islands.
    : >
    : >My family's phone and data services have never failed us. Not even
    : >once. For three years.
    :
    : You are obviously always near major metro areas where the cell site
    : density is higher!

    I've heard that the word on Sprint is that you can use it in rural areas as
    long as you stay within three miles of an Interstate highway. There are some
    coverage maps that tend to support that theory. Mississippi is (or was) a case
    in point. Verizon is virtually absent there, but they apparently let you roam
    onto Sprint. When I visited there a couple of years ago, Verizon's roaming map
    showed coverage pretty much confined to where the Interstates were.

    Bob



  9. #24
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: For Sprint, Job Cuts Are Just The Start Of Turnaround Moves

    ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
    On 2008-01-21, Pegleg <[email protected]> wrote:

    > You are obviously always near major metro areas where the cell site
    > density is higher!


    I think that theory used to be true of Sprint and T-Mo but is not as true
    these days.

    Examples: In the Cleveland Market, VoiceStream launched late (2001-2002), as
    T-Mobile, much later than most of their other markets (they only had a few
    demo units branded with the VoiceStream logo, they'd mostly switched over
    already). But to make up for that, they had coverage EVERYWHERE east of
    Cleveland, including my parents' house in Montville Township, Ohio. The
    nearest county seats, Painesville (Lake County) and Chardon (Geauga County),
    are both 10-13 miles away and are both small towns, and that part of Northeast
    Ohio is completely rural. T-Mo was even able to give my kid brother a phone
    with a number local to Montville when they launched.

    Here, in the Victor Valley, Sprint has coverage at my old house on the edge
    of town, just past the end of Verizon's coverage. The tower is in a spot
    in the northeast corner of town where I'd be surprised if ANYONE lives (maybe
    1,000 people?) T-Mo has coverage out there too.

    --
    Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com
    Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol




  10. #25
    Todd Wade
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: For Sprint, Job Cuts Are Just The Start Of Turnaround Moves

    On Jan 21, 11:23*pm, Pegleg <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:11:52 -0800, "Jar-Jar Binks" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >I live in northeast Ohio, and I travel in/around Toledo, Cleveand,
    > >Columbus, Cincinnati, Cambridge, and tiny little towns in between that
    > >don't make most maps. I travel to Chicago, New York, South Florida,
    > >Houston, and the US Virgin Islands.

    >
    > >My family's phone and data services have never failed us. Not even
    > >once. For three years.

    >
    > You are obviously always near major metro areas where the cell site
    > density is higher!


    You didnt even read what I wrote. Particularly, the part about

    > tiny little towns in between that don't make most maps


    I camp in central ohio, and the population within a 50 mile radius is
    probably less than 100,000. Yet I can connect my EVDO data connection
    and work like I was connected to my DSL connection at home.

    You must have also missed the part that says:

    > the US Virgin Islands


    Which happens to be over 1,000 miles from a major metro area.

    So, obviously, I'm frequently no where near a major metro area and
    Sprint's voice and data services work. Always.

    Todd W.



  11. #26
    DTC
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: For Sprint, Job Cuts Are Just The Start Of Turnaround Moves

    Pegleg wrote:
    > You are obviously always near major metro areas where the cell site
    > density is higher!


    Golly, I didn't know that ten years ago almost everywhere in the state
    of Missouri was a major metro. I'm sure the "density" is much higher
    now.



  12. #27
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Sprint axes 4,000 jobs, closes 125 stores

    Dean wrote:
    > Believe it or not, I'd really rather not see Sprint go belly-up.
    >
    > I'm sure competition is a major reason VZW still offers decent
    > value-for-money. Not a bargain, mind you, but at least a fairly decent
    > package.


    Sprint has thus far avoided getting into a real price war, other than
    its SERO program which not many people know about. They may want to
    think about going low-overhead and not having _any_ standalone stores,
    and then competing agressively on price.

    One big problem for Sprint is that they are so heavily dependent on
    Verizon for roaming in areas where Sprint has no presence.

    If Sprint's market value and market share continue to fall, then they'd
    make a good acquisition candidate for Verizon, but not at the current
    valuation.

    > Around here (NW suburb of NYC), Nextel is considered to be a "work phone" or
    > "electronic leash" for PTT with mediocre phone capabilities, T-Mo is for
    > kids, and Sprint is hardly on the map. Very few people I know have Cingular,
    > though I know they are huge too.


    Remember, Cingular had no NYC network until they partnered with
    Voicestream/T-Mobile back in the 1990's, and did an agreement where
    T-Mobile got to use Cingular's western 1900 MHz GSM network, and
    Cingular got to use T-Mobile's NYC network. At the same time, AT&T
    Wireless was suffering from huge capacity problems in NYC with their
    TDMA network, and was hemorrhaging customers to Verizon, which had the
    advantage of CDMA technology which can carry a lot more voice calls in
    the same bandwidth. These are the reasons why Cingular and AT&T are
    relatively weak in the NYC area, even though they've since solved their
    capacity issues.



  13. #28
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Sprint axes 4,000 jobs, closes 125 stores

    On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:52:37 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >... At the same time, AT&T
    >Wireless was suffering from huge capacity problems in NYC with their
    >TDMA network, and was hemorrhaging customers to Verizon, which had the
    >advantage of CDMA technology which can carry a lot more voice calls in
    >the same bandwidth. ...


    Total nonsense (on all counts).

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR AT&T (CINGULAR) WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/AT&T_Wireless_FAQ>



  14. #29
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Sprint axes 4,000 jobs, closes 125 stores

    Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:52:37 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
    >> wrote in <[email protected]>:
    >>
    >>> ... At the same time, AT&T
    >>> Wireless was suffering from huge capacity problems in NYC with their
    >>> TDMA network, and was hemorrhaging customers to Verizon, which had the
    >>> advantage of CDMA technology which can carry a lot more voice calls in
    >>> the same bandwidth. ...

    >> Total nonsense (on all counts).

    >
    > Rubbish.
    >


    Indeed it is.

    The capacity problems of the old AT&T Wireless were legendary in New
    York City. Ironically, coverage was excellent (as you'd expect from an
    800 MHz carrier in a densely populated area), but they couldn't provide
    enough capacity with their TDMA network.

    It's interesting to read news stories from a few years back, with the
    hindsight we have now. I.e., the 1999 story from the New York Daily News
    mentions that Bell Atlantic Digital (which was operating a CDMA network)
    did not suffer from high numbers of dropped calls or blocked calls. Bell
    Atlantic eventually morphed into Verizon.

    I had Cellular One (whose Bay Area network was taken over by AT&T) back
    then, and tried using it in NYC on visits for trade shows (PC Expo) and
    it was about hopeless during the day. Thankfully there were plenty of
    pay phones back then!


    -----------------------------------------------------
    From 1999, Daily News:

    "The kind of performance we got in Manhattan was unusual in that we
    found a high number of blocked calls, a high number of dropped calls" on
    all systems but Bell Atlantic Digital, Singer said. The cause? Although
    consumers have not yet caught on, industry insiders know very well what
    the problem is.

    "AT&T and other carriers were caught having inadequate networks, which
    meant that as demand increased, net capacity couldn't keep up," said
    Herschel Shosteck, president and CEO of Herschel Shosteck Associates
    Ltd., an international wireless consultant based near Washington.

    -----------------------------------------------------

    From 2002, New York Times

    "Frustrated customers have few places to turn if their carriers fail to
    respond to their complaints. In New York, several cellphone users are
    suing AT&T Wireless over its Digital One Rate plan, accusing the company
    of false advertising because they were consistently unable to get
    service in their home calling areas. ''AT&T came out with the plan
    prematurely, before the network was up to handle the demand,'' said
    Jacqueline Sailer, a lawyer for the plaintiffs."

    -----------------------------------------------------


    Wait, did Navas provide any citations to prove his "total nonsense"
    theory? LOL.



  15. #30
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Sprint axes 4,000 jobs, closes 125 stores

    At 02 Feb 2008 05:19:26 -0800 SMS wrote:
    > I.e., the 1999 story from the New York Daily News mentions that Bell
    > Atlantic Digital (which was operating a CDMA network) did not suffer
    > from high numbers of dropped calls or blocked calls. Bell Atlantic
    > eventually morphed into Verizon.



    To be fair, the article you quoted makes no mention of the technologies
    involved.

    Bell Atlantic was CDMA, but that isn't necessarily the reason they had
    fewer capacity problems- ATTWS' Digital One Rate was hugely successful- it
    was the first nationwide no-roam plan ever offered, and AT&T could've just
    as easily had capacity problems due to the "AOL Effect"- signing up too
    many new customers with not enough infrastructure to support them. BA
    might have had fewer dropped calls due to simply being less popular, just
    like an overpriced, unpopular restaurant always has extratables! ;-)


    > Wait, did Navas provide any citations to prove his "total nonsense"
    > theory? LOL.



    No, but again, you didn't provide any to suggest advantages of CDMA over
    TDMA were the cause of the "inadequate network" either.






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