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- 01-20-2008, 08:04 PM #16Ness-NetGuest
Re: NEWS: For Sprint, Job Cuts Are Just The Start Of Turnaround Moves
"Uno" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> Sprint has the same ventors cell sites as Verizon. The different can be
> the handsets. Cheap phones have more problems than the good one. Customer
> service couldn't help much on poor phones. The best way can be get a
> better phone.
>
"same ventors cell sites as Verizon"???????????????
This is VERY wrong!! Please don't make statements you obviously know
absolutely nothing about.
Sprint may use VZW as a roaming partner, but in a Sprint native area,
Sprint most certainly operates their own infrastructure. There may be some
site collocation, but even in this case, it's separate antennas and
electronics.
Sprint operates entirely 1900Mhz (PCS). VZW operates primarily in the
original
800Mhz (cellular) band - and uses 1900 in some areas where they don't have
an 800
license - or possibly as capacity relief in large metro.
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- 01-20-2008, 08:13 PM #17UnoGuest
Re: NEWS: For Sprint, Job Cuts Are Just The Start Of Turnaround Moves
Sprint use ventor equipment from Lucent, Nortel and Motorola which supply to
Verizon. They may use different frequency bands but they are almost the same
kind of equipments.
"Ness-Net" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Uno" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news[email protected]...
>> Sprint has the same ventors cell sites as Verizon. The different can be
>> the handsets. Cheap phones have more problems than the good one. Customer
>> service couldn't help much on poor phones. The best way can be get a
>> better phone.
>>
>
>
> "same ventors cell sites as Verizon"???????????????
>
> This is VERY wrong!! Please don't make statements you obviously know
> absolutely nothing about.
>
> Sprint may use VZW as a roaming partner, but in a Sprint native area,
> Sprint most certainly operates their own infrastructure. There may be some
> site collocation, but even in this case, it's separate antennas and
> electronics.
>
> Sprint operates entirely 1900Mhz (PCS). VZW operates primarily in the
> original
> 800Mhz (cellular) band - and uses 1900 in some areas where they don't have
> an 800
> license - or possibly as capacity relief in large metro.
>
- 01-20-2008, 08:37 PM #18Ness-NetGuest
Re: NEWS: For Sprint, Job Cuts Are Just The Start Of Turnaround Moves
This is complete BS. Or you haven't a clue
You choose. (I vote #2)
It's like saying both a Porsche and a Kia have
Goodyear tires, so they must run the same...
Or.... that Apple and Dell both use Intel chips...
1st - Verizon is a legacy 'cellular' carrier in many markets.
(Or shall I say GTE, AirTouch, and the other companies)
They have been providing service since the middle / late 80's in
many of their markets. The 'PCS' licenses came along years later.
Sprint is a PCS carrier.
Yes, parity may have been achieved in many markets, but overall, the
legacy 800 carriers (AT&T / VZW, etc) have the best overall coverage
nationwide and out in the boonies.
Physics. Wave propagation. 800 works better than 1900 - period.
It's just that simple. Longer wavelengths penetrate better. Longer
wavelengths carry further.
"Uno" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sprint use ventor equipment from Lucent, Nortel and Motorola which supply
> to Verizon. They may use different frequency bands but they are almost the
> same kind of equipments.
>
- 01-20-2008, 09:23 PM #19UnoGuest
Re: NEWS: For Sprint, Job Cuts Are Just The Start Of Turnaround Moves
This is no BS. Sprint has the same quality cellular equipments from the same
quality CDMA telecom supplyers.
"Ness-Net" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This is complete BS. Or you haven't a clue
> You choose. (I vote #2)
>
> It's like saying both a Porsche and a Kia have
> Goodyear tires, so they must run the same...
>
> Or.... that Apple and Dell both use Intel chips...
>
> 1st - Verizon is a legacy 'cellular' carrier in many markets.
> (Or shall I say GTE, AirTouch, and the other companies)
> They have been providing service since the middle / late 80's in
> many of their markets. The 'PCS' licenses came along years later.
> Sprint is a PCS carrier.
>
> Yes, parity may have been achieved in many markets, but overall, the
> legacy 800 carriers (AT&T / VZW, etc) have the best overall coverage
> nationwide and out in the boonies.
>
> Physics. Wave propagation. 800 works better than 1900 - period.
> It's just that simple. Longer wavelengths penetrate better. Longer
> wavelengths carry further.
>
>
>
> "Uno" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Sprint use ventor equipment from Lucent, Nortel and Motorola which supply
>> to Verizon. They may use different frequency bands but they are almost
>> the same kind of equipments.
>>
>
- 01-20-2008, 10:11 PM #20Ness-NetGuest
Re: NEWS: For Sprint, Job Cuts Are Just The Start Of Turnaround Moves
Number 2 it is then...
I am not contending that anyone's "equipments" are inferior.
(English is your second language huh??)
Or anyone's "equipments" is superior for that matter. What IS
fact is that it doesn't really matter in this discussion.
YOU stated that "Sprint has the same "ventors" cell sites as Verizon.
The different can be the handsets."
Translation: because Sprint and Verizon use the same infrastructure
equipment vendors, they are essentially the same and therefore any
user or coverage problems must be primarily in the users handset.
This is simply preposterous and I was pointing out various reasons why.
It is obvious you will continue your inane argument, so there is no point
in my continuing further.
Or, you may choose to actually see the fact(s)...
"Uno" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%[email protected]...
> This is no BS. Sprint has the same quality cellular equipments from the
> same quality CDMA telecom supplyers.
>
- 01-20-2008, 10:42 PM #21Steve SobolGuest
Re: NEWS: For Sprint, Job Cuts Are Just The Start Of Turnaround Moves
["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
On 2008-01-21, Uno <[email protected]> wrote:
> This is no BS. Sprint has the same quality cellular equipments from the same
> quality CDMA telecom supplyers.
Heh. So why didn't you use T-Mo or AT&T?
Look guys, I believe this may be another iPhone shill. He's not as
entertaining as the others.
--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com
Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol
- 01-21-2008, 12:17 AM #22Tim SmithGuest
Re: NEWS: Sprint axes 4,000 jobs, closes 125 stores
In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> quoted:
> Sprint said 683,000 post-paid subscribers and 202,000 prepaid
> subscribers had done a runner in the last quarter (Q4) alone.
OK, so 885000 left...
....
> The company said that it picked up 500,000 new subscribers through
> its wholesale channels in the last quarter, and recorded growth of
> 256,000 Boost Unlimited users and net additions of 20,000 subscribers
> in its affiliate channels.
and 776000 came. That would be a net loss of 109000. Is that really
enough to be such a crisis?
--
--Tim Smith
- 01-21-2008, 10:31 AM #23Robert CoeGuest
Re: NEWS: For Sprint, Job Cuts Are Just The Start Of Turnaround Moves
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:23:38 -0800, Pegleg <[email protected]> wrote:
: On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:11:52 -0800, "Jar-Jar Binks" <[email protected]>
: wrote:
:
: >I live in northeast Ohio, and I travel in/around Toledo, Cleveand,
: >Columbus, Cincinnati, Cambridge, and tiny little towns in between that
: >don't make most maps. I travel to Chicago, New York, South Florida,
: >Houston, and the US Virgin Islands.
: >
: >My family's phone and data services have never failed us. Not even
: >once. For three years.
:
: You are obviously always near major metro areas where the cell site
: density is higher!
I've heard that the word on Sprint is that you can use it in rural areas as
long as you stay within three miles of an Interstate highway. There are some
coverage maps that tend to support that theory. Mississippi is (or was) a case
in point. Verizon is virtually absent there, but they apparently let you roam
onto Sprint. When I visited there a couple of years ago, Verizon's roaming map
showed coverage pretty much confined to where the Interstates were.
Bob
- 01-21-2008, 02:50 PM #24Steve SobolGuest
Re: NEWS: For Sprint, Job Cuts Are Just The Start Of Turnaround Moves
["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
On 2008-01-21, Pegleg <[email protected]> wrote:
> You are obviously always near major metro areas where the cell site
> density is higher!
I think that theory used to be true of Sprint and T-Mo but is not as true
these days.
Examples: In the Cleveland Market, VoiceStream launched late (2001-2002), as
T-Mobile, much later than most of their other markets (they only had a few
demo units branded with the VoiceStream logo, they'd mostly switched over
already). But to make up for that, they had coverage EVERYWHERE east of
Cleveland, including my parents' house in Montville Township, Ohio. The
nearest county seats, Painesville (Lake County) and Chardon (Geauga County),
are both 10-13 miles away and are both small towns, and that part of Northeast
Ohio is completely rural. T-Mo was even able to give my kid brother a phone
with a number local to Montville when they launched.
Here, in the Victor Valley, Sprint has coverage at my old house on the edge
of town, just past the end of Verizon's coverage. The tower is in a spot
in the northeast corner of town where I'd be surprised if ANYONE lives (maybe
1,000 people?) T-Mo has coverage out there too.
--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com
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- 01-22-2008, 08:14 AM #25Todd WadeGuest
Re: NEWS: For Sprint, Job Cuts Are Just The Start Of Turnaround Moves
On Jan 21, 11:23*pm, Pegleg <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:11:52 -0800, "Jar-Jar Binks" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >I live in northeast Ohio, and I travel in/around Toledo, Cleveand,
> >Columbus, Cincinnati, Cambridge, and tiny little towns in between that
> >don't make most maps. I travel to Chicago, New York, South Florida,
> >Houston, and the US Virgin Islands.
>
> >My family's phone and data services have never failed us. Not even
> >once. For three years.
>
> You are obviously always near major metro areas where the cell site
> density is higher!
You didnt even read what I wrote. Particularly, the part about
> tiny little towns in between that don't make most maps
I camp in central ohio, and the population within a 50 mile radius is
probably less than 100,000. Yet I can connect my EVDO data connection
and work like I was connected to my DSL connection at home.
You must have also missed the part that says:
> the US Virgin Islands
Which happens to be over 1,000 miles from a major metro area.
So, obviously, I'm frequently no where near a major metro area and
Sprint's voice and data services work. Always.
Todd W.
- 01-22-2008, 09:59 AM #26DTCGuest
Re: NEWS: For Sprint, Job Cuts Are Just The Start Of Turnaround Moves
Pegleg wrote:
> You are obviously always near major metro areas where the cell site
> density is higher!
Golly, I didn't know that ten years ago almost everywhere in the state
of Missouri was a major metro. I'm sure the "density" is much higher
now.
- 01-23-2008, 10:52 AM #27SMSGuest
Re: Sprint axes 4,000 jobs, closes 125 stores
Dean wrote:
> Believe it or not, I'd really rather not see Sprint go belly-up.
>
> I'm sure competition is a major reason VZW still offers decent
> value-for-money. Not a bargain, mind you, but at least a fairly decent
> package.
Sprint has thus far avoided getting into a real price war, other than
its SERO program which not many people know about. They may want to
think about going low-overhead and not having _any_ standalone stores,
and then competing agressively on price.
One big problem for Sprint is that they are so heavily dependent on
Verizon for roaming in areas where Sprint has no presence.
If Sprint's market value and market share continue to fall, then they'd
make a good acquisition candidate for Verizon, but not at the current
valuation.
> Around here (NW suburb of NYC), Nextel is considered to be a "work phone" or
> "electronic leash" for PTT with mediocre phone capabilities, T-Mo is for
> kids, and Sprint is hardly on the map. Very few people I know have Cingular,
> though I know they are huge too.
Remember, Cingular had no NYC network until they partnered with
Voicestream/T-Mobile back in the 1990's, and did an agreement where
T-Mobile got to use Cingular's western 1900 MHz GSM network, and
Cingular got to use T-Mobile's NYC network. At the same time, AT&T
Wireless was suffering from huge capacity problems in NYC with their
TDMA network, and was hemorrhaging customers to Verizon, which had the
advantage of CDMA technology which can carry a lot more voice calls in
the same bandwidth. These are the reasons why Cingular and AT&T are
relatively weak in the NYC area, even though they've since solved their
capacity issues.
- 02-01-2008, 11:51 PM #28John NavasGuest
Re: Sprint axes 4,000 jobs, closes 125 stores
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:52:37 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:
>... At the same time, AT&T
>Wireless was suffering from huge capacity problems in NYC with their
>TDMA network, and was hemorrhaging customers to Verizon, which had the
>advantage of CDMA technology which can carry a lot more voice calls in
>the same bandwidth. ...
Total nonsense (on all counts).
--
Best regards, FAQ FOR AT&T (CINGULAR) WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/AT&T_Wireless_FAQ>
- 02-02-2008, 07:19 AM #29SMSGuest
Re: Sprint axes 4,000 jobs, closes 125 stores
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:52:37 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
>> wrote in <[email protected]>:
>>
>>> ... At the same time, AT&T
>>> Wireless was suffering from huge capacity problems in NYC with their
>>> TDMA network, and was hemorrhaging customers to Verizon, which had the
>>> advantage of CDMA technology which can carry a lot more voice calls in
>>> the same bandwidth. ...
>> Total nonsense (on all counts).
>
> Rubbish.
>
Indeed it is.
The capacity problems of the old AT&T Wireless were legendary in New
York City. Ironically, coverage was excellent (as you'd expect from an
800 MHz carrier in a densely populated area), but they couldn't provide
enough capacity with their TDMA network.
It's interesting to read news stories from a few years back, with the
hindsight we have now. I.e., the 1999 story from the New York Daily News
mentions that Bell Atlantic Digital (which was operating a CDMA network)
did not suffer from high numbers of dropped calls or blocked calls. Bell
Atlantic eventually morphed into Verizon.
I had Cellular One (whose Bay Area network was taken over by AT&T) back
then, and tried using it in NYC on visits for trade shows (PC Expo) and
it was about hopeless during the day. Thankfully there were plenty of
pay phones back then!
-----------------------------------------------------
From 1999, Daily News:
"The kind of performance we got in Manhattan was unusual in that we
found a high number of blocked calls, a high number of dropped calls" on
all systems but Bell Atlantic Digital, Singer said. The cause? Although
consumers have not yet caught on, industry insiders know very well what
the problem is.
"AT&T and other carriers were caught having inadequate networks, which
meant that as demand increased, net capacity couldn't keep up," said
Herschel Shosteck, president and CEO of Herschel Shosteck Associates
Ltd., an international wireless consultant based near Washington.
-----------------------------------------------------
From 2002, New York Times
"Frustrated customers have few places to turn if their carriers fail to
respond to their complaints. In New York, several cellphone users are
suing AT&T Wireless over its Digital One Rate plan, accusing the company
of false advertising because they were consistently unable to get
service in their home calling areas. ''AT&T came out with the plan
prematurely, before the network was up to handle the demand,'' said
Jacqueline Sailer, a lawyer for the plaintiffs."
-----------------------------------------------------
Wait, did Navas provide any citations to prove his "total nonsense"
theory? LOL.
- 02-03-2008, 01:29 AM #30Todd AllcockGuest
Re: Sprint axes 4,000 jobs, closes 125 stores
At 02 Feb 2008 05:19:26 -0800 SMS wrote:
> I.e., the 1999 story from the New York Daily News mentions that Bell
> Atlantic Digital (which was operating a CDMA network) did not suffer
> from high numbers of dropped calls or blocked calls. Bell Atlantic
> eventually morphed into Verizon.
To be fair, the article you quoted makes no mention of the technologies
involved.
Bell Atlantic was CDMA, but that isn't necessarily the reason they had
fewer capacity problems- ATTWS' Digital One Rate was hugely successful- it
was the first nationwide no-roam plan ever offered, and AT&T could've just
as easily had capacity problems due to the "AOL Effect"- signing up too
many new customers with not enough infrastructure to support them. BA
might have had fewer dropped calls due to simply being less popular, just
like an overpriced, unpopular restaurant always has extratables! ;-)
> Wait, did Navas provide any citations to prove his "total nonsense"
> theory? LOL.
No, but again, you didn't provide any to suggest advantages of CDMA over
TDMA were the cause of the "inadequate network" either.
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