Replacement of PDA and phone

Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, (PeteCresswell) said:

> Is there any hope at all of combining the functionality of my
> Palm TX (doesn't have tb another Palm-based device), my 60-gig
> iPod, and my cell phone in one device?

I would not be surprised if the next hardware upgrade for the iPhone is
a size bump to 32 Gig (I just saw a sign for a 32G iPod Touch at Best
Buy). And that would be big enough for me to place my iPod into
semi-retirement.

> Or have hard-drive-based devices become passe' marketing-wise?

Hard drives tend to be not quite rugged enough for something like a
cellphone. Flash based storage is hardier.

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In article <[email protected]>,
"Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:


>
>
> Iphone 3G 30.00 a month if AT&T gives the same price as all other 3G phones.
> Tilt "
> "
>
> Same price per month. A few dollars you might "save" ?
> Same price per month for the data. Half the price for the tilt is hardly a
> few bucks.

So your monthly cell phone bill is $30?

I think not.

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"Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>> Iphone 3G 30.00 a month if AT&T gives the same price as all other 3G
>> phones.
>> Tilt "
>> "
>>
>> Same price per month. A few dollars you might "save" ?
>> Same price per month for the data. Half the price for the tilt is hardly
>> a
>> few bucks.
>
> So your monthly cell phone bill is $30?
>
> I think not.
>
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3G Service Is.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Iphone 3G 30.00 a month if AT&T gives the same price as all other 3G
> >> phones.
> >> Tilt "
> >> "
> >>
> >> Same price per month. A few dollars you might "save" ?
> >> Same price per month for the data. Half the price for the tilt is hardly
> >> a
> >> few bucks.
> >
> > So your monthly cell phone bill is $30?
> >
> > I think not.
> >
> > --
> > To reply by email, remove the word "space"
>
>
> 3G Service Is.

The point was about what a total monthly bill would be, not just the net
data.

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I have a Treo with Windows Mobile and I love it. It took me some time to
adjust from my old treo with Palm system but now I am glad I did. Palm is
still very available on the net for very cheap if not free software where
Win Mobile does cost a bit more is does not have as much available. I am a
computer geek so I want as much flexability as possible, you may not. Palm
will phase out in time but I think it will be a long time. Blackberry's are
great devices for email but are very limited on software. Besides you pay
extra for BB data services, not cheap either. All PDA phones will sync with
MS Outlook even if it is a palm device. Some even sync with Lotus but read
up on your model selection before purchase. Many providers do offer a 30
day exchange or refund so play with your new pda alot during that time to
see if it fits your needs. Hope this helped. Good Luck.
"Robert A. Fink, M. D." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My wife's PDA (an ancient Palm m515) has finally gone to heaven and
> her RAZR v 3 phone is showing signs of senility. She is considering
> replacement with a "smart phone" of some type, and I might just go
> along as well (I use a RAZR and a Palm Tungsten C PDA which is still
> working OK).
>
> We have looked at several units and nothing appears to be "just
> right". Our impressions to date:
>
> 1. The Treo phones (using the Palm OS) are somewhat long in the tooth.
> The future for the Palm OS is also questionable. We like the Palm OS,
> but it seems to be "moving on".
>
> 2. The units running the Windows Mobile system, I am told, are slow
> and kludgy.
>
> 3. The Blackberry units are difficult to type on, and again, there is
> an OS problem. Are the operating systems interchangeable (for example,
> if we buy something other than a Palm-based unit, will we be able to
> synch all of our present Palm data onto the new unit)?
>
> 4. The Apple iPhone appears to be a nice piece of equipment, but it
> has several shortcomings, including having to work through iTunes,
> battery replacement problems, a "mediocre" phone (by report), not
> compatible with 3G service (I use ATT's Laptop Connect service); and
> it remains relatively pricey.
>
> Any thoughts from this Group?
>
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Bob
>
> Robert A. Fink, M. D., FACS, P. C.
> Neurological Surgery
> 2500 Milvia Street Suite 222
> Berkeley, CA 94704-2636 USA
> 510-849-2555
>
> "Ex Tristitia Virtus"

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> True- but the misconception flown by the anti-MS crowd is that these
> devices lock up hourly or so- that just isn't the case.
>

I don't know where that idea has come from other than deliberate
muddying the field. I reboot my JAM maybe once a week when I see the
memory indicator get low or whenever some application has a new version.
Other than that I can't even remember when I've had to reboot because of
a crash or lockup--it's been a year at least. Once I stopped testing
programs and got everything loaded that I wanted it's been more stable
than my XP tablet--actually a LOT more stable :-)

The JAM is getting up in age though. But I don't want the new models
with the keyboards--they're a *lot* thicker. I don't need a keyboard--I
use a program called Fitaly that replaces the soft qwerty keyboard with
one optimized for tapping with a stylus. I can easily do 30wpm with the
amount of use I do--some users on their forum who do a lot more texting
than I do report 70wpm.

The iPhone is going to have to add quite a few applications before I
venture that route. How many of these can iPhone do yet: powerful PIM
application (Agenda Fusion) with features galore; configuable multi-
alarm clock/stopwatch application; Word and Excel; PhatPad that allows
handdrawn notes and designs to be shared between PPC and PC; MP3
recorder; configuable database; virtual wallet (passwords etc) shared
with pc; RepliGo that can transfer a zoomable/readable image of *any* pc
document or screen; Pocket Streets with street level map of entire DFW
metroplex (with GPS if I wanted it); eReader to read novels (free and
purchased); removable memory card; file syncing to/from any folder on
the pc (activesync with mightysync addon). When it can do all of those I
might consider it. 'Course by then HTC and others will have duplicated
the touch interface...
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Dallas TX USA

Per Jeffrey Kaplan:
>Hard drives tend to be not quite rugged enough for something like a
>cellphone. Flash based storage is hardier.

I guess I'm waiting for a couple more generations of flash cards
then...
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PeteCresswell

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:26:50 -0600, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote:

>As far as your other question on the thread; transferring the Palm
>contacts/calendar to the new phone, does your Tungsten have bluetooth? You
>could simply transfer them to the new phone via BT, then sync from the Tilt
>to Outlook, and avoid the need for any type of Palm Desktop-to-Outlook
>utility.


I do not use Outlook as a mailer. I use Pegasus Mail, which is also a
POP3 client. Will that make a difference?

Best,

Bob

Robert A. Fink, M. D., FACS, P. C.
Neurological Surgery
2500 Milvia Street Suite 222
Berkeley, CA 94704-2636 USA
510-849-2555

"Ex Tristitia Virtus"

Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Robert A. Fink, M. D. said:

> >As far as your other question on the thread; transferring the Palm
> >contacts/calendar to the new phone, does your Tungsten have bluetooth? You
> >could simply transfer them to the new phone via BT, then sync from the Tilt
> >to Outlook, and avoid the need for any type of Palm Desktop-to-Outlook
> >utility.
>
> I do not use Outlook as a mailer. I use Pegasus Mail, which is also a
> POP3 client. Will that make a difference?

I believe the context was for PIM data, not email. The Tilt, being a
WinMob device, will natively sync the calendar, contacts, notes and
tasks to Outlook.

Several years ago, I switched to using Outlook for my desktop PIM from
the Palm Desktop because I needed the address book synchronization with
Word. I find it to be much more functional than the Palm Desktop, and
the only reason I even bother to install Palm Desktop on my systems is
so I can sync my Treo at all. I do not use Outlook for anything else,
and therefore have never set up its online features.

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At 28 Mar 2008 15:49:15 -0700 Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:26:50 -0600, Todd Allcock

> >As far as your other question on the thread; transferring the Palm
> >contacts/calendar to the new phone, does your Tungsten have bluetooth?
You
> >could simply transfer them to the new phone via BT, then sync from the
Tilt
> >to Outlook, and avoid the need for any type of Palm Desktop-to-Outlook
> >utility.
>
>
> I do not use Outlook as a mailer. I use Pegasus Mail, which is also a
> POP3 client. Will that make a difference?

Sort of- Windows Mobile phones only support PIM synchin it Outlook.
There's no Microsoft equivalent to "Palm Desktop."

You can certainly receive your POP e-mail with any e-mail program of your
choice, but backing up your calendar and contacts info on the PC requires
Outlook. As an alternative, you can use a free Exchange account at
mail2web.com, and use it's included OWA (Outlook Web Access) function,
which is essentially "Outlook in a browser window."

In message <[email protected]> Larry
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> That statement makes me chuckle. What good is a bazilion features and
>> programs, if the thing constantly falls over due to stability issues?
>> Stability is Function Number 1.
>>
>>
>
>No use at all. I don't understand how Micro$oft stays in business.

Fairly simple: It just works. If you're seeing even monthly crashes on
XP or Vista, you need to fix your hardware, fix your drivers (including
file system filters -- AV software, I'm looking at you)

In article <[email protected]>,
"Robert A. Fink, M. D." <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:26:50 -0600, Todd Allcock
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >As far as your other question on the thread; transferring the Palm
> >contacts/calendar to the new phone, does your Tungsten have bluetooth? You
> >could simply transfer them to the new phone via BT, then sync from the Tilt
> >to Outlook, and avoid the need for any type of Palm Desktop-to-Outlook
> >utility.
>
>
> I do not use Outlook as a mailer. I use Pegasus Mail, which is also a
> POP3 client. Will that make a difference?
>
I have 3 POP email accounts on my iPhone.

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At 31 Mar 2008 10:52:24 -0700 Kurt wrote:

> > I do not use Outlook as a mailer. I use Pegasus Mail, which is also a
> > POP3 client. Will that make a difference?
> >
> I have 3 POP email accounts on my iPhone.


This is also probably a good time to suggest to the good Doctor that he
consider IMAP instead of POP for e-mail, regardless of what smartphone he
eventually chooses.

IMAP is much easier to deal with when using multiple devices withthe same e-
mail account(s), since changes made on one device (deletions, marking e-
mail as read, etc.) are reflected on all devices, eliminating the need the
deal with the same e-mail twice.

In article <[email protected]>,
Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

> At 31 Mar 2008 10:52:24 -0700 Kurt wrote:
>
> > > I do not use Outlook as a mailer. I use Pegasus Mail, which is also a
> > > POP3 client. Will that make a difference?
> > >
> > I have 3 POP email accounts on my iPhone.
>
>
> This is also probably a good time to suggest to the good Doctor that he
> consider IMAP instead of POP for e-mail, regardless of what smartphone he
> eventually chooses.
>
> IMAP is much easier to deal with when using multiple devices withthe same e-
> mail account(s), since changes made on one device (deletions, marking e-
> mail as read, etc.) are reflected on all devices, eliminating the need the
> deal with the same e-mail twice.

But iPhone is too easy. Maybe other phones... Some email services also
still do not support IMAP.

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At 31 Mar 2008 19:25:52 -0700 Kurt wrote:

> > IMAP is much easier to deal with when using multiple devices withthe
same e-
> > mail account(s), since changes made on one device (deletions, marking e-
> > mail as read, etc.) are reflected on all devices, eliminating the need
the
> > deal with the same e-mail twice.
>
> But iPhone is too easy. Maybe other phones...

What does that mean? If you delete a POP e-mail on your iPhone are you
saying the deletion magically propagates to your desktop? A POP e-mail
read on the iPhone is marked read on the desktop? With IMAP, sure (just
like with any other device with IMAP support)- with POP? Nope.


POP is hampered by design- it's from a day when people had one computer and
phones were bolted to walls. You pull the e-mail from the server and can
either leave a copy behind or not. That generally means dealing with the
same e-mails (at least) twice, since mobile devices are usually set to
leave a copy behind so your desktop can access all your e-mail. So, any e-
mails read or deleted on the mobile, are still waiting for you on your
desktop.

With IMAP, if you delete a bunch of e-mails on your phone, they WON'T be
waiting on your desktop to be read (and deleted) again. E-mails read on
the mobile will already be marked read on the desktop. If you use a
variety of desktops, laptops, and mobiles with the same e-mail accounts,
IMAP makes life a lot easier.


> Some email services also
> still do not support IMAP.


True. A perfectly good reason to change e-mail providers, IMO. ;-)