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  1. #61
    Kurt
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    Re: Replacement of PDA and phone

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Robert A. Fink, M. D." <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:03:03 -0700, "Kevin Weaver"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >I've set mine to not delete from my phone. But delete from the home system.

    >
    >
    > Does the iPhone allow for such "selective" deletion? Pegasus Mail (on
    > my desktop and laptops) allows for such.
    >

    iPhone has setting to allow you to delete from server or not.



    I keep mine to never.

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  2. #62
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: Replacement of PDA and phone

    At 03 Apr 2008 00:09:01 +0000 Larry wrote:

    > Ok by me. But, my emails have some pretty big attachments. Where do you
    > put them?


    I set the e-mail client on my phone not to automatically download
    attachments over 100kb (then I choose whether to download them if needed.)

    > How do you get them from the phone to the computer, download
    > them again off the server? That time must also be included.


    IMAP is server based- since my PC has broadband, it looks at the IMAP
    server continually, and downloads and archives whatever makes it through
    the spam filters.

    > The remote terminal is far from "cumbersome" on wifi, and not really bad

    on
    > EVDO. rdesktop is optimized to minimize bandwidth usage. it only

    updates
    > what needs updating. It's not a video shot of the screen, but you knew
    > that. The only drawback is the 500-800ms latency of the Sellphone data
    > links, but I'll live with that until the Wimax rollout.


    Whatever works for you, I guess. Remote desktop to keep on top of your e-
    mail seems like using a jackhammer to drive a finishing nail, but that's
    just me...






  3. #63
    Jeffrey Kaplan
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    Re: Replacement of PDA and phone

    Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Larry said:

    > > Learn to *****, it's "cellphone", not "sellphone". If you don't like
    > > what they're selling, don't buy it.

    > Why does my little updated description upset you so?


    Because it's childish.

    --
    Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
    The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol

    "Oh, for the record if they kill me, this was not a good idea on my
    part." (Marcus Cole, B5 "Exogenesis")



  4. #64
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Replacement of PDA and phone

    Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > Because it's childish.
    >


    No ****? Hell, I'M Childish!....at least I hope so.




  5. #65
    Robert A. Fink, M. D.
    Guest

    Re: Replacement of PDA and phone

    On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:34:06 +0000, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote in
    >news:[email protected]:
    >
    >>> Does the iPhone allow for such "selective" deletion? Pegasus Mail

    >(on
    >>> my desktop and laptops) allows for such.
    >>>
    >>> Best,
    >>>
    >>> Bob

    >>

    >
    >Dr Bob,
    >
    > Just for reference, Pegasus responds very well to Remote Desktop
    >operation. I use it here to my Nokia N800 Linux tablet over Remote
    >desktop, even over the sellphone link, every day.
    >
    >You can leave Pegasus running continuously, logon to remote desktop to
    >your laptop, tablet, your office PC with your IP/username/password and
    >have full control of Pegasus from the remote location. Works great, no
    >syncing, no sellphone funny business, no multiple storage confusion.
    >
    >If a large file comes in, say some media or document or presentation,
    >Remote Desktop can be setup so the remote device, whatever it is, can
    >act like an external hard drive, straight from Windows Explorer on the
    >home desktop, for example. Simply click and drag the object to the
    >remote devices storage of your choice and remote desktop will copy it
    >there for your use....without destroying the master copy safely stored
    >on your main PC.
    >
    >Iphone doesn't have remote desktop, but your laptop or office desktop
    >already does.
    >
    >If you must carry it, I recommend the Nokia N800 $230 with a free
    >rdesktop from maemo.org's download section. Tons of very useful
    >software, all free. Real word processing with an external bluetooth
    >keyboard made to type on, real spreadsheets, several databases and other
    >useful tools already for use on it.
    >
    >Got special medical software on the main PC? Remote desktop can operate
    >it from anyplace on the net. Ask your local IT or hacker to help you
    >set it up on your existing units. Once configured, the only thing it
    >won't do is run video/audio to the remote. For that, you download the
    >media and play it on the remote locally.
    >
    >Most users have no idea it's already included on their Windows, MAC
    >desktops and laptops. There's no need to rent an external service to
    >use it.
    >
    >If you can call up those Xrays of Mr Jones on your home PC, you can view
    >them from your laptop or internet tablet via remote desktop. Wouldn't
    >that be handier for your application?



    Fascinating. Many thanks

    Best,

    Bob

    Robert A. Fink, M. D., FACS, P. C.
    Neurological Surgery
    2500 Milvia Street Suite 222
    Berkeley, CA 94704-2636 USA
    510-849-2555

    "Ex Tristitia Virtus"



  6. #66
    Larry
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    Re: Replacement of PDA and phone

    "Robert A. Fink, M. D." <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > Fascinating. Many thanks
    >


    Quite welcome. I'm on remote desktop from an Italian restaurant,
    tonight, using my Nokia N800 Linux tablet and Bluetooth keyboard over the
    free wifi Pizza Roma provides with my Stromboli. Great food and
    broadband...great combination.

    Ah, my Boddington's English Ale has arrived...excuse me...




  7. #67
    (PeteCresswell)
    Guest

    Re: Replacement of PDA and phone

    Per Larry:
    > my Nokia N800 Linux tablet


    This is from somebody who knows nothing - but would like to merge
    their cell phone and PDA.

    Does the N800 do cell phone on tMob's band?

    Seems like cell phone functionality is implicit, considering the
    thread.... but one of the reviews said something like "Don't get
    rid of your cell phone or PDA when you buy the Nokia product..."
    --
    PeteCresswell



  8. #68
    Kurt
    Guest

    Re: Replacement of PDA and phone

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Robert A. Fink, M. D." <[email protected]> wrote in
    > news:[email protected]:
    >
    > > Fascinating. Many thanks
    > >

    >
    > Quite welcome. I'm on remote desktop from an Italian restaurant,
    > tonight, using my Nokia N800 Linux tablet and Bluetooth keyboard over the
    > free wifi Pizza Roma provides with my Stromboli. Great food and
    > broadband...great combination.
    >
    > Ah, my Boddington's English Ale has arrived...excuse me...


    Oh great, I'll bet the table next to you is either laughing their asses
    off or pissed off at the scene you are making.
    Welcome to Nerdville at it's worst.

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  9. #69
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Replacement of PDA and phone

    "(PeteCresswell)" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > Does the N800 do cell phone on tMob's band?
    >


    Yes, you tether tmob's data to your sellphone and talk on Skype for
    either free or damned near free across the planet. Works great! The
    only time it dumps me is if I cross over into another Alltel district,
    which makes it switch my IP. Wimax won't have this problem....

    Once the WiMax network is installed, Skype will be completely mobile and
    teh Sellphone companies can kiss their asses bye bye for me.

    ONE phone on ONE system....Whether it's Skype or some other big VoIP-
    for-pennies, I don't care which. May the BEST DEAL WIN....

    Skype in N America is $36/YEAR for outgoing 5000 mins a month and
    $24/line/YEAR for an incoming from phones/sellphones. NOTHING matches
    that. You can have TEN Skypes running, simultaneously, and they all
    ring together....something we've been wishing SELLphones did for decades
    and were told it wasn't possible. Whatever Skype answers the call,
    takes the call. If noone takes the call, Skype forwards to any number
    you choose. You can also have up to 10 incoming lines to your Skype
    cluster of systems from many countries for $24/each line. I have
    numbers in Charleston, SC and London, UK.

    No "band" will be necessary except the WiMax band after the buildout.
    You'll have internet service. Your phone will be on the roaming WiMax
    internet service.....as just another app running on your tablet.

    It already is, here. I just got off Skype with a friend in Japan. We
    talk for hours. Wimax will simply replace the sellphone EVDO data I'm
    roaming with Skype on, now, very successfully. Wimax won't have EVDO's
    sellphone latency, which is about 500ms on Alltel right on the sellphone
    end of the tracert.

    http://www.skype.com/welcomeback/
    http://www.skype.com/download/skype/nokia/
    http://www.skype.com/download/skype/windowsmobile/
    http://www.skype.com/allfeatures/wifiphones/
    http://www.skype.com/download/skype/macosx/
    http://www.skype.com/download/skype/windows/business/
    http://www.skype.com/download/skype/windows/
    http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/
    Help yourself.....it's FREE.
    .....and no Sellphone funny business to spoil your fun!

    Skype even works on EDGE. It will tolerate down to about 80Kbps and
    900ms latency before it gets bad. On broadband, it's like talking to
    the phone in the next room....even on the tablets.





  10. #70
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Replacement of PDA and phone

    "(PeteCresswell)" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > but one of the reviews said something like "Don't get
    > rid of your cell phone or PDA when you buy the Nokia product..."
    >


    They are correct. The sellphone becomes the modem to get the tablet
    roaming access to the internet, at the moment. The tablet connects to
    the sellphone under Bluetooth DUN (Dial Up Networking, a throwback to
    the old days of modems that converted data into audio signals). Using
    the phone as its raw internet connection, the Nokia tablets will work
    anywhere you have cellular service to the phone. The tablet will also
    automatically connect to that service, even before its Linux operating
    system has completely booted up, which takes about 15 seconds on my
    heavily loaded tablet.

    The advantage there is the tablet is uncontrollable from the sellphone
    company's grasp. Sellphone company software does NOT run on the tablet.
    So, none of the tablet's features and software, which is quite extensive
    because of its open source Linux base and Nokia's support of open source
    software, is forbidden or hobbled by sellphone company bureaucrats
    trying to sell your pictures back to you on some email scheme.

    The tablet, using its own port of Linux's rdesktop freeware and Nokia's
    folding bluetooth real keyboard so you can actually TYPE on it, can
    connect and operate your office or home computer over Remote Desktop
    under Windows XP or Vista....by remote control...either over the
    sellphone or wifi link. rdesktop merely remotes your windows desktop to
    the tablet's 800-pixel-wide touchscreen. Your stylus becomes your
    Windows mouse for pointing and clicking on whatever Windows app is on
    top. What's transferred between the tablet and home/office computer is
    the picture, only updated where it must be, not some TV raster display
    that would hog bandwidth....and the text and control characters that
    make Windows do what you want. When you log off the Windows user you're
    connected to, it releases the Windows computer back to local control and
    rdesktop on the tablet releases the display, touchscreen and keyboard
    back to the tablet's GUI, automatically. I stopped all that "syncing"
    nonsense left over from the Palm Pilot days of slow modems. I can
    operate the Windows desktop software from anyplace.

    You don't need the PDA.....but, of course, IF YOU INSIST and have some
    Palm software you like to run.....we gotcha covered. Garnet, the people
    who bought the Palm OS, have given us software that converts the Nokia
    Linux tablets into running Palm OS. It even syncs with Palm Desktop
    over USB or wifi from anywhere or the sellphone modem from anywhere.
    Here's what the initial test version looks like:
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=pzzZ1NdNduk
    You'll even recognize the Palm OS "clicking" in the speakers...(c;

    The best way to see some of the stuff it is capable of and how easy it
    really is to use, just put:
    Nokia internet tablet
    into the youtube.com search box. Some of the best videos come from
    thoughtfix, who operates the best websites for the tablets not connected
    with the company, on:
    http://youtube.com/user/thoughtfix

    Nokia set up a home base for the Linux community that's working hard on
    the softwares:
    http://www.maemo.org/
    This is the user head-end website. Click DOWNLOAD, then OS2007 for the
    N800 or OS2008 for free upgraded N800s and the new N810 (slideout
    keyboard) to see the various categories and software.

    https://garage.maemo.org/
    is the "factory floor", where the Linux geniuses are working for free to
    make the tablet the neatest open source mobile on the planet. Click the
    "Project Cloud" button on the garage wall to see (and download if you
    like) the software that's under development. There are many things a
    mere user should, probably, not install, at first, until you get your
    feet into Maemo Linux, our version of Debian Linux for the tablets.
    But, if you get in too deep and blow the whole OS, DO NOT FEAR! There's
    a Windows XP/Vista freeware installer which will take your software-
    destroyed tablet...wipe the whole tablet clean as a whistle, and restore
    it to the latest version of the software...just like it came from the
    Nokia factory.....in about 3 minutes from clicking OK. The whole OS is
    free, open and completely re-installable by this bootloader, hiding your
    embarrassing screwup and the accompanying finger pointing and
    guffawing...(c;

    To see the slick Nokia demos:
    http://www.nseries.com/N800
    http://www.nseries.com/N810
    is the place to start. N800 is about $220 on buy.com in stock. N810
    with the slideout keyboard and internal 20 channel WAAS GPS receiver is
    about $389 this week at MacMall:
    http://www.macmall.com/macmall/shop/detail.asp?Redir=1
    &description=Nokia%2DN810+Internet+Tablet+with+Wi%2DFi+and+GPS%
    2DHandhelds%2FPDAs&dpno=7349003
    &store=macmall&source=mwbgooglesearch&wt.srch=1
    &wt.mc_id=mwbgooglesearch&gclid=CPSuu-_0wpICFRcdsgod9z8LcA

    or

    http://tinyurl.com/58qjy5
    to save all that stupid typing of embedded cookies....grrr..

    Nokia just this week announced the commitment to WiMax with a NEW,
    WiMax-enabled N810WE, which will drive down N810 prices very soon, and
    probably N800 prices, which are holding at $230 for months.

    The WiMax N810 will start about $500, but drop quickly as it was
    announced way too early for WiMax, which is a couple of years away in
    major cities, I think.

    If you have iPhone friends, and just can't help yourself, there's an
    iPhone GUI that makes the Maemo home page into an iPhone style app
    launcher that's fun to watch their faces when they see it. There's also
    a Windows Vista theme (and many others because Linux kids LOVE desktop
    themes) that will make them also doubletake walking by it...(c;

    I shouldn't have typed this because I was looking up the references and
    one was the garage homepage. I see we have a new GeoCaching GPS app in
    beta test.....(c; Excuse me...I must download/install it....(c;

    The GPS receiver for the N800 tablet is a tiny bluetooth external
    "puck". It's absolutely the HOTTEST GPS RECEIVER I ever saw! It even
    works great inside if there are windows!




  11. #71
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Replacement of PDA and phone

    At 04 Apr 2008 20:18:02 -0400 (PeteCresswell) wrote:
    > Per Larry:
    > > my Nokia N800 Linux tablet

    >
    > This is from somebody who knows nothing - but would like to merge
    > their cell phone and PDA.
    >
    > Does the N800 do cell phone on tMob's band?



    No. The N800 is a "web tablet." It is not a cellphone.


    > Seems like cell phone functionality is implicit, considering the
    > thread....


    That's just Larry assuming any consumer choice he's made is right for
    everyone else.

    Larry carries a separate bluetooth-enabled cellphone to make cellphone
    calls and to connect the N800 to the internet with when WiFi isn't available.
    A perfectly legitimate combination, but the N800 is NOT what they call a
    "convergence device" (combination PDA and cellphone.)

    > but one of the reviews said something like "Don't get
    > rid of your cell phone or PDA when you buy the Nokia product..."


    True. The N800 supports a variety of VoIP services like Skype and the
    Gizmo Project, but unless it's connected to the internet either Via WiFi or
    a cellphone, a web tablet has the same telephonic abilities of Moses' stone
    tablets.





  12. #72
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Replacement of PDA and phone

    Kurt <[email protected]> wrote in news:labolide-7716B7.17332304042008
    @news.giganews.com:

    > Oh great, I'll bet the table next to you is either laughing their asses
    > off or pissed off at the scene you are making.
    > Welcome to Nerdville at it's worst.
    >
    >


    Nope. Everyone was laughing at the two crazy Australian TV commercials I
    had on the 16GB external SD card...

    The owner always comes by to see what new toys I have on the tablet and to
    trade his cooking for my laptop expertise. I'm the reason for the free
    wifi in his shop....a sales tool for us nerds, who also like Italian
    cuisine mixed with beer.

    Sorry you're so down on nerds. Why do you read usenet if you hate nerds??




  13. #73
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Replacement of PDA and phone

    At 05 Apr 2008 02:01:19 +0000 Larry wrote:

    > > Does the N800 do cell phone on tMob's band?

    >
    >
    > Yes, you tether tmob's data to your sellphone and talk on Skype for
    > either free or damned near free across the planet. Works great!


    For chrissakes Larry, he asked a direct question- is the N800 a cellphone
    compatible with T-Mo's network, and the answer is clearly, NO! It has no
    cellular capability at all.

    If I asked you if your work truck could travel to the Moon, your answer
    would be "sure- first you strap it to a Saturn V..." He specifically said
    he "would like to merge [his] cell phone and PDA"- it's pretty clear he's
    not looking for a two-device solution.

    Besides- T-Mo has no 3G network- VoIP works pretty piss-poor over T-Mo's
    150kbps down/40kbps up EDGE network, so I doubt you'd have much luck with
    Skype on T-Mo (speaking from experience here!)


    > Once the WiMax network is installed, Skype will be completely mobile and
    > teh Sellphone companies can kiss their asses bye bye for me.



    Again, WiMax is being deployed by the 3rd largest cellco in the US. AT&T
    and Verizon just secured chunks of the new 700MHz band, most likely to
    deploy competing 4G services.

    I don't know why you think you'll be firing your cellphone company- you'll
    just be buying data-only from them instead of voice + data. This "kills"
    cellphone
    companies just like buying dryline DSL "kills" the local telco.


    > ONE phone on ONE system....Whether it's Skype or some other big VoIP-
    > for-pennies, I don't care which. May the BEST DEAL WIN....
    >
    > Skype in N America is $36/YEAR for outgoing 5000 mins a month and
    > $24/line/YEAR for an incoming from phones/sellphones. NOTHING matches
    > that.


    Sure- because you aren't paying for infrastructure- just the overlay.
    Skype isn't really $60/year- it's $60 plus whatever you pay for internet.



    > No "band" will be necessary except the WiMax band after the buildout.
    > You'll have internet service. Your phone will be on the roaming WiMax
    > internet service.....as just another app running on your tablet.



    How is that any different from today? You're doing it now over your
    cellphone's internet connection. WiMax will just be faster. Why not get a
    data-only plan from Alltel and go 100% Skype for voice?


    > Skype even works on EDGE. It will tolerate down to about 80Kbps and
    > 900ms latency before it gets bad.



    You'd be very lucky to get 80kbps up on T-Mo's EDGE. In my Skype-over-EDGE
    tests, I could hear the other party fine, but my speech would be broken up
    badly.






  14. #74
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Replacement of PDA and phone

    At 04 Apr 2008 17:33:23 -0700 Kurt wrote:

    > > Quite welcome. I'm on remote desktop from an Italian restaurant,
    > > tonight, using my Nokia N800 Linux tablet and Bluetooth keyboard over
    > > the free wifi Pizza Roma provides with my Stromboli. Great food and
    > > broadband...great combination.
    > >
    > > Ah, my Boddington's English Ale has arrived...excuse me...

    >
    > Oh great, I'll bet the table next to you is either laughing their asses
    > off or pissed off at the scene you are making.
    > Welcome to Nerdville at it's worst.



    How is Larry any different than the collection of people banging away on a
    laptop in every Starbucks or Panera Bread accross the country, except his
    equipment is smaller and less intrusive? Why would this pizza place offer
    free WiFi if they didn't expect it's patrons to use it?

    Besides, we should be encouraging Larry to seek nourishment outside of the
    "World's Leading Server of Raisin Toast (tm)."







  15. #75
    (PeteCresswell)
    Guest

    Re: Replacement of PDA and phone

    Per Todd Allcock:
    >is the N800 a cellphone
    >compatible with T-Mo's network, and the answer is clearly, NO! It has no
    >cellular capability at all.


    So... OpenMoko hasn't been co-opted...
    --
    PeteCresswell



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