Replacement of PDA and phone

At 09 Apr 2008 14:20:44 +0000 Larry wrote:

> I think that's why ATT is still and EDGE provider, to reduce the
> uncontrollable data loads by restricting speed.....It makes business sense.


AT&T has 3G in major cities as well - EDGE is a fallback, just as Verizon,
Sprint, Alltel, etc. drop to lower speeds outside their 3G footprints.
Don't confuse the iPhone's lack of 3G hardware with AT&T's 3G availability.

AT&T, like Verizon, is spectrum-rich. Like Verizon, they control two
licenses in many areas.

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Todd Allcock <[email protected]> writes:

> At 09 Apr 2008 14:20:44 +0000 Larry wrote:
>
>> I think that's why ATT is still and EDGE provider, to reduce the
>> uncontrollable data loads by restricting speed.....It makes business sense.
>
>
> AT&T has 3G in major cities as well - EDGE is a fallback, just as Verizon,
> Sprint, Alltel, etc. drop to lower speeds outside their 3G footprints.
> Don't confuse the iPhone's lack of 3G hardware with AT&T's 3G availability.
>
> AT&T, like Verizon, is spectrum-rich. Like Verizon, they control two
> licenses in many areas.

Well said.

And I haven't had an issue finding 3G coverage in any city I've
visited.

I can't believe the iPhone has been this successful without it thus
far, honestly. Once it gets it, bar the door I think. I'd have
gotten one if iPhone had 3G at the time, but alas, I sit with the
functional but clunky AT&T tilt.

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"Todd H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I can't believe the iPhone has been this successful without it thus
> far, honestly. Once it gets it, bar the door I think. I'd have
> gotten one if iPhone had 3G at the time, but alas, I sit with the
> functional but clunky AT&T tilt.

I think the iPhone sells to a different market. For many it's a combo
iPod/phone- the web access is just a "bonus." Besides, EDGE is just fine
for e-mail, and frankly it's fine for browsing on "dumbphones" since they're
generally pulling small mobile-formatted webpages. It's the "real browser"
that's both the iPhone blessing and curse- it's beautiful, but requires more
bandwidth to pull "real" pages than a Nokia candy-bar phone's WAP/XHTML
browser does.

However, I think it's a non-issue for many folks- there's a significant
number of people (and I'm NOT one of them!) that just doesn't want to fool
with the web on a 3-4" screen. My wife is one- no matter how fast the
connection is, or how quickly the screen renders, she'd rather wait until
she's in front of a large display to surf the web, but she's addicted to
mobile e-mail. (Unfortunately for Apple she's also addicted to QWERTY
thumbboards, so she refused my offer to jump to an unlocked iPhone from her
T-Mobile Dash, a "Blackberry-style" WM Smartphone.)

Also, the future of the mobile web, IMHO, is more in internet-powered apps
than browsing- I find myself using Windows Live Search , for example, rather
than Internet Explorer for things like movie listings and "411" lookups- WLS
makes it easier finding "nearby" info than futzing with pulling up a
webpage, and entering a bunch of required info (city, state, zip, etc.)
before even telling it what I'm looking for.

I'm envious of your Tilt, but, alas, it's 3G is incompatible with T-Mo's
upcoming non-standard 1700MHz implementation. My old MDA/HTC Wizard (also
functional but clunky!) continues to serve me well until something 3G (and
hopefully thinner/less clunky!) comes along. I'd miss far too much WinMo
functionality downgrading to an iPhone in it's current state, but who knows
what June and "2.0" will bring...

In article <[email protected]>, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote:

> AT&T has 3G in major cities as well - EDGE is a fallback, just as Verizon,
> Sprint, Alltel, etc. drop to lower speeds outside their 3G footprints.
> Don't confuse the iPhone's lack of 3G hardware with AT&T's 3G availability.

As a matter of fact in my travels here in the northeast my Verizon
phone falls back often from EV to 1X.

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Charles

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in news:ftir6s$dfb$1
@aioe.org:

> Alltel, etc. drop to lower speeds outside their 3G footprints.
>

Put Greeleyville, SC
Islandton, SC
Green Pond, SC
Smoaks, SC
Yemasee, SC
Gifford, SC
Estill, SC
Moncks Corner, SC
Strawberry, SC
Sniders Crossroads, SC
Cottageville, SC
Givhans, SC
Ridgeville, SC
Dorchester, SC
Pregnall, SC
Byrds, SC
Cordesville, SC
Huger, SC (pronounced U-Gee)
Bonneau. SC
Jamestown, SC
Sampit, SC

on your list of Alltel EVDO "cities" I've recently driven through playing
internet radio over my Bluetooth Alltel MotoROKR Z6m modem.

Hell, some of them barely have houses, let alone towers....(c;

Alltel just works bettery in the country.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Todd H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > I can't believe the iPhone has been this successful without it thus
> > far, honestly. Once it gets it, bar the door I think. I'd have
> > gotten one if iPhone had 3G at the time, but alas, I sit with the
> > functional but clunky AT&T tilt.
>
> I think the iPhone sells to a different market. For many it's a combo
> iPod/phone- the web access is just a "bonus." Besides, EDGE is just fine
> for e-mail, and frankly it's fine for browsing on "dumbphones" since they're
> generally pulling small mobile-formatted webpages. It's the "real browser"
> that's both the iPhone blessing and curse- it's beautiful, but requires more
> bandwidth to pull "real" pages than a Nokia candy-bar phone's WAP/XHTML
> browser does.

I spend a lot of time, both with Wi_fi and with EDGE accessing full web
pages (very few of my bookmarks are mobile optimized). The iPhone easily
allows for these full pages. Pulls them pretty quickly. I've never used
mine for an iPod, but mostly web and email. Voice and text less
frequently. Most of my friends and business associates (so many have
left the Blackberry) use it much the same.

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"Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I spend a lot of time, both with Wi_fi and with EDGE accessing full web
> pages (very few of my bookmarks are mobile optimized). The iPhone easily
> allows for these full pages. Pulls them pretty quickly. I've never used
> mine for an iPod, but mostly web and email. Voice and text less
> frequently. Most of my friends and business associates (so many have
> left the Blackberry) use it much the same.

So were all these friends and business associates just "hobbyist" BB owners?
(Meaning using it for their own IMAP and POP3 e-mail, rather than a
corporate BES...) It seems unlikely a company that placed a value on the
security of BES would chuck it all just because a "cool" phone hit the
market.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > I spend a lot of time, both with Wi_fi and with EDGE accessing full web
> > pages (very few of my bookmarks are mobile optimized). The iPhone easily
> > allows for these full pages. Pulls them pretty quickly. I've never used
> > mine for an iPod, but mostly web and email. Voice and text less
> > frequently. Most of my friends and business associates (so many have
> > left the Blackberry) use it much the same.
>
> So were all these friends and business associates just "hobbyist" BB owners?
> (Meaning using it for their own IMAP and POP3 e-mail, rather than a
> corporate BES...) It seems unlikely a company that placed a value on the
> security of BES would chuck it all just because a "cool" phone hit the
> market.

Yes, smaller, but highly successful coompanies.

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"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
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>> I spend a lot of time, both with Wi_fi and with EDGE accessing full
>> web pages (very few of my bookmarks are mobile optimized). The iPhone
>> easily allows for these full pages. Pulls them pretty quickly. I've
>> never used mine for an iPod, but mostly web and email. Voice and text
>> less frequently. Most of my friends and business associates (so many
>> have left the Blackberry) use it much the same.
>
> So were all these friends and business associates just "hobbyist" BB
> owners? (Meaning using it for their own IMAP and POP3 e-mail, rather
> than a corporate BES...) It seems unlikely a company that placed a
> value on the security of BES would chuck it all just because a "cool"
> phone hit the market.
>
>
>
>

And does their corporation allow CAMERAS in the building? That's another
real threat to corporate security....

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> >
> > "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >> I spend a lot of time, both with Wi_fi and with EDGE accessing full
> >> web pages (very few of my bookmarks are mobile optimized). The iPhone
> >> easily allows for these full pages. Pulls them pretty quickly. I've
> >> never used mine for an iPod, but mostly web and email. Voice and text
> >> less frequently. Most of my friends and business associates (so many
> >> have left the Blackberry) use it much the same.
> >
> > So were all these friends and business associates just "hobbyist" BB
> > owners? (Meaning using it for their own IMAP and POP3 e-mail, rather
> > than a corporate BES...) It seems unlikely a company that placed a
> > value on the security of BES would chuck it all just because a "cool"
> > phone hit the market.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> And does their corporation allow CAMERAS in the building? That's another
> real threat to corporate security....

Upskirts.

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Kurt <[email protected]> wrote in
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>> And does their corporation allow CAMERAS in the building? That's
>> another real threat to corporate security....
>
> Upskirts.
>
>

No....those are called "copiers"....(c;

Put a nice box of snacks on high shelf over the copier so she has to crawl
up on the copier to steal them. Great fun...great lawsuits...(c;

.....and GREAT COPIES in the out tray!

At 10 Apr 2008 19:28:05 -0700 Kurt wrote:

> > And does their corporation allow CAMERAS in the building? That's
another
> > real threat to corporate security....
>
> Upskirts.
>


Except these days the office gals tend to get suspicious when you dangle
your phone at floor level from the end of a telescopic rod "trying to find
a good signal." ;-)