Hey, Oxford/Vic--WiFi everywhere? Say again?

At 06 Apr 2008 14:13:03 -0500 Ron wrote:

> Then 2 months ago I stopped off at a DoubleTree hotel for a few
> minutes, where their wifi is free and open in their lobby, sat down in
> a posh leather chair, and onto the Internet I went.
>
> WiFi may not be everywhere, but its availability is usually far more
> predictable than 3G.


Maybe, but where there's no 3G, you fallback to 2G. Where there's no free
WiFi, what do you fall back on? An unoccupied phone jack?


> And if one has ATT dsl at home, many of the "pay WiFi" sites are free
> with your ATT username and password if they are ATT sites.


If 3G coverage is Swiss Cheese, WiFi has more holes than a sponge. Again,
counting 2G backup, cellular coverage is virtually seamless, at least
compared to WiFi.

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On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:02:32 -0400, Charles <[email protected]>
misrfepresented:

>In article <[email protected]>, Larry
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "(PeteCresswell)" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>> > Is WiMax a "3G" network? Or is it a third type?
>> >
>>
>> 4G
>
>Whatever you want to call it there is no WiMax availability. And the
>first and only WiMax device was just announced. So real life wireless
>data service is either WiFi at hotspots or one of the cellular flavors
>of 3g or Edge. Both AT&T and Verizon plan to use LTE for their 4G. The
>GSM world plans to use LTE.
>
>Contrary to Ron, WiFi is not everywhere. It is only at hotspots. And
>there is a cost at a lot of hotspots. The cellular data networks work
>beyond hotspots, there are holes there too but at least you are not
>tethered to a hot spot. So preferably you want a device with both WiFi
>and with cellular data. Not WiMax because there is no available WiMax
>network.


Not what I said: Here is exactly what I said:


"WiFi may not be everywhere, but its availability is usually far more
predictable than 3G."

WiFi is free and available at ever more places. Those who 2 years ago
decided it wasn't need to try again.

AND As I also said,

"WiFi (often free and open) can be found in Restaurants, Coffee
Houses, Libraries, book stores, Hotels, Malls, Hospitals, airports,
colleges and universities, sporting venues, suburbs, neighborhood
bubbles."

But I agree, a device with WiFi and 3G would satisfy most everyone.
Just wait 6 weeks for iPhone 2.

Neither WiFi or 3G is perfect as WiFi may not be free and open
or available the one spot you are currently trying, or
3G may manifest "Network Not Available" or drop down to Edge
or may not be available at the one spot you are currently trying
especially if you are too far from the main arteries of wherever you
are, as thats where the preponderance of towers are located.

Certainly 4G at 700 Mhz is much to be desired, AT&T and Verizon just
spent BIG BUCKS for 700 MHz spectrum In 5 years any disagreements of
WiFi vs 3G will seem silly.

DTC <[email protected]> wrote in news:FDgKj.891$V14.255
@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com:

> That might have been a COAM unit (Customer Owned And Maintained) as
> the stock Motorolas were only 25 watts after the VHF duplexer. I think
> GE had a 70 watt unit with a Secode IMTS control head.
>
>

We had some running 125 watts on Dialpage's system. They had 4 channels
and Bell$outh had the other 4 channels. Not sure whos transceivers they
were.

I could get nearly 80 miles up the road in this flat country before losing
the call.

Before IMTS, I had a Motorola 2-way in the trunk tied to a manually
operated answering service which had operators do the interconnects.
Toumey's Answering Service, Sumter, SC. It was the best service because of
the live operators. When someone called my business, she answered the call
as if I were IBM, all very professional. Callers could leave a message if
I wasn't checked in and she would blow my car horn to signal me, much to
the dismay of the other shoppers in the parking lot. Cars didn't blow
their own horns in those days like today...(c;

Toumey's had 2 channels, so we did some waiting during rush hour, but the
price of interconnect time kept the conversations short from chit chat,
except for the real estate millionaires who didn't care. It didn't do you
any good to ***** at them because it was half duplex with 2 freqs and other
cars couldn't hear you. We did have a free 3rd channel for calling other
cars, once the operator contacted them and we both switched channels off
the telephone/operator channels. Considering its low technology, it was a
great service, very personal.

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> If 3G coverage is Swiss Cheese, WiFi has more holes than a sponge.
> Again, counting 2G backup, cellular coverage is virtually seamless, at
> least compared to WiFi.
>
>

3G is solid across Eastern SC, even in the boondocks on Alltel. ATT has no
3G installed here, but it wouldn't matter as their PCS doesn't work in the
country 2 miles away from the interstates. Sprint PCS only works because
it switches to Verizon.

I drive through the country streaming cowboy music from KSEY in Seymour,
TX, using Streamtuner on my Linux tablet bluetoothed to my MotoROKR Z6m on
Alltel. The only time it drops is when I cross from the Charleston system
into the Columbia system and that reassigns my IP and I have to call the
station back, one click.

Too bad the sellphone MAC isn't tied to an IP. Every time it drops with
the webcam running on the tablet, I have to email the users with my new IP
to reconnect to. Some day, Skype will get off its ass and interface the
tablets' webcams so that will automate that.

Ron <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> But I agree, a device with WiFi and 3G would satisfy most everyone.
> Just wait 6 weeks for iPhone 2.
>
>

What difference will that make on ATT?? ATT doesn't have the
infrastructure to support it.

On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:25:48 +0000, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

>Ron <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> But I agree, a device with WiFi and 3G would satisfy most everyone.
>> Just wait 6 weeks for iPhone 2.
>>
>>
>
>What difference will that make on ATT?? ATT doesn't have the
>infrastructure to support it.


Depends where you are - Montana? you're correct. Any of the top 20
cities, 3G is almost complete.

My tower construction took me all over the place, I had both
an eleven MTS/IMTS phone on SWBell and a seven channel RCC.

If I didn't answer my phone, the RCC operators would call all
all the places they knew I hung out playing Defenders video game.

Ron <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Any of the top 20
> cities

Ah, the main "targets", for lots more than sellphone companies...

DTC <[email protected]> wrote in news:kurKj.481$%41.348
@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com:

> My tower construction took me all over the place, I had both
> an eleven MTS/IMTS phone on SWBell and a seven channel RCC.
>
> If I didn't answer my phone, the RCC operators would call all
> all the places they knew I hung out playing Defenders video game.
>

Great phone service, wireless or otherwise, has gone all to **** with
the invention of the computer controlled by corporate greed.

When I was growing up in Moravia, NY, in the 1950-60s, we had a manual
phone system run by operators. Our number was 22-M (Circuit 22, M=40 Hz
ringing frequency so it wouldn't disturb the neighbors who were 22-J (80
Hz, I think, anyway a different ringing frequency). Private numbers
like Rob Munn's was 6....his whole phone number.

(Lift Receiver)

"Number Please...."

"Six"

(ringing buzzes as she pushed the lever to ring Rob's phone.)

When there was trouble, this system was second to none.

(Lift receiver)

"Number please....."

"Blanche, Tucker's barn on Mill Rd is on fire."

Having the fire siren switch on her console, it was winding up for the
first call before she said, "Thanks. I'll put out the alarm. Shall I
send Doc Yarington (humans) or Doc Sweathouse (vet)?"

Blanche knew the exact location of all important, and not-so-important
people of the town at all times. Her relief operators all did, too.

"Blanche, my mothers awful sick, where's Doc Yarington?", would result
in you speaking to whatever farm house the Doc was visiting at this
instance. Blanche would call for the doctor to the phone you were
already connected to so she'd know where he was going, your house or his
office (our only medical facility) first. She'd stay on the line
listening to see if the Three Town Ambulance needed to be notified.

No "system" has worked that good since. It was installed in the town in
the 1920's. The basement had mercury vapor rectifiers and massive
battery banks of Edison Cells (Nickel-Iron-Calcium Hydroxide) to power
it when the rectifiers went dead. The hum went away when we had no
power...(c;

Moravia was one of the last manual systems on NY Bell and went straight
to TouchTones (r) in the late 1960s or early 1970s after I went in the
Navy. The town never had a rotary dial telephone system!

........."Doc is taking a nap. If this is important I'll wake him,
now"....(c;

What a great place to grow up in....(c;

Seven stores got broken into by some thieves passing through. They got
almost 17 dollars!

Ok....back to arguing over the stupidest sellphones....

Sorry.....