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  1. #16
    DevilsPGD
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    Re: MobileMe | A new service for your iPhone and PC

    In message
    <daa05f16-0318-4a12-ae89-9df687e8db57@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>
    [email protected] wrote:

    >On Jul 22, 12:57*pm, "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]>
    >wrote:
    >
    >> and voice can not occur simultaneously- too much pulling and pushing
    >> increases the odds that a voice call can't get through because the phone is
    >> busy with data and the call rolls right to voice mail.

    >
    >I thought a voice call would automatically kill an EDGE/GPRS session
    >and take priority.


    From what I understand, a voice call will kill an idle EDGE/GPRS
    session, but if the session is actually transferring data at the very
    moment a voice call comes in, that takes priority over the incoming
    call.

    That being said, it's a moot point with 3G as 3G can handle both at once
    anyway.



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  2. #17
    DevilsPGD
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    Re: MobileMe | A new service for your iPhone and PC

    In message <[email protected]> "John B. Coarsey, PE"
    <jcoarsey<nospam>@yahoo.com> wrote:

    >
    >"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> We "others" don't need a push client. Our computers are multitasking and
    >> fully capable of checking all those services on their own without the
    >> browser push crapware.....

    >
    >as is the iphone


    And yet despite being capable of doing so, it is artificially prohibited
    from this relatively simple task.



  3. #18
    John B. Coarsey, PE
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    Re: MobileMe | A new service for your iPhone and PC


    "DevilsPGD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In message <[email protected]> "John B. Coarsey, PE"
    > <jcoarsey<nospam>@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected]...
    >>> We "others" don't need a push client. Our computers are multitasking
    >>> and
    >>> fully capable of checking all those services on their own without the
    >>> browser push crapware.....

    >>
    >>as is the iphone

    >
    > And yet despite being capable of doing so, it is artificially prohibited
    > from this relatively simple task.


    Please elaborate.





  4. #19
    Scott Seidman
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    Re: MobileMe | A new service for your iPhone and PC

    [email protected] wrote in news:95d5f88a-5c93-4c81-9346-
    [email protected]:

    > On Jul 22, 1:24*pm, Scott Seidman <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> > GMAIL is free, and email can now be pulled via a POP client, or their
    >> > web client is excellent. Does a marvelous job of SPAM filtering too.

    >>
    >> Nothing in a gmail account can be considered confidential.

    >
    > Nothing sent in plaintext can be considered confidential, because the
    > backbone is tapped; if you have privacy concerns, use strong
    > encryption.
    >
    > If you have anything that's really important enough to protect from
    > "them", you also need to control the type of hardware and software
    > your intended recipient will use to read the decrypted ciphertext
    > (TEMPEST, etc). There has even been some very good work done in
    > reconstructing screen contents by photographing the backscatter off a
    > wall behind the monitor.
    >
    >


    Laugh if you must, but many an intellectual property case has been decided
    upon the determination of just when an idea has been disclosed. Our IP
    attorneys always advise us NOT to use platforms like gmail for anything
    important, because they don't want to be put in that situation in a court
    room. "Reasonable Expectation" of confidentiality comes into play.


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    Scott
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  5. #20
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: MobileMe | A new service for your iPhone and PC

    At 22 Jul 2008 16:45:53 -0700 [email protected] wrote:

    > > and voice can not occur simultaneously- too much pulling and pushing
    > > increases the odds that a voice call can't get through because the

    phone is
    > > busy with data and the call rolls right to voice mail.

    >
    > I thought a voice call would automatically kill an EDGE/GPRS session
    > and take priority.



    Sort of- it'll knock out an data session if data packets aren't actively
    being transferred at the moment, but during a packet transfer the phone is
    receiving data rathering than "hearing" the incoming call. The more often
    you're transferring data, like pulling e-mail, the more likely you'll miss
    a call. My phone polls four IMAP accounts, so I cut the frequency down
    from 15 minutes to every hour, because I was getting too many missed calls.





  6. #21
    Larry
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    Re: MobileMe | A new service for your iPhone and PC

    Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > At 22 Jul 2008 16:45:53 -0700 [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >> > and voice can not occur simultaneously- too much pulling and
    >> > pushing increases the odds that a voice call can't get through
    >> > because the

    > phone is
    >> > busy with data and the call rolls right to voice mail.

    >>
    >> I thought a voice call would automatically kill an EDGE/GPRS session
    >> and take priority.

    >
    >
    > Sort of- it'll knock out an data session if data packets aren't
    > actively being transferred at the moment, but during a packet transfer
    > the phone is receiving data rathering than "hearing" the incoming
    > call. The more often you're transferring data, like pulling e-mail,
    > the more likely you'll miss a call. My phone polls four IMAP
    > accounts, so I cut the frequency down from 15 minutes to every hour,
    > because I was getting too many missed calls.
    >
    >
    >


    Wow...That's awful. The ROKR Z6m on EVDO never misses a call when
    transferring data. I can be watching Russian TV on the Linux tablet and
    the phone rings. When I answer the phone, the data stops until I'm done.
    If the server hasn't dumped me, which most do, the data even resumes after
    I hang up. The BT DUN stays connected and making a call doesn't recall for
    another IP, like a full disconnect does.

    Of course, when connected on BT DUN, the phone's other features are all
    inaccessible....MP3/Camera/etc.




  7. #22
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: MobileMe | A new service for your iPhone and PC

    At 23 Jul 2008 16:37:16 +0000 Larry wrote:

    > > Sort of- it'll knock out an data session if data packets aren't
    > > actively being transferred at the moment, but during a packet transfer
    > > the phone is receiving data rathering than "hearing" the incoming
    > > call. The more often you're transferring data, like pulling e-mail,
    > > the more likely you'll miss a call. My phone polls four IMAP
    > > accounts, so I cut the frequency down from 15 minutes to every hour,
    > > because I was getting too many missed calls.



    > Wow...That's awful. The ROKR Z6m on EVDO never misses a call when
    > transferring data.


    Keep in mind we're talking about 2G GSM data, Not 3G.

    If you had been a big CDMA data user in the 2G "1X" days, you'd have had
    the same problem.

    > I can be watching Russian TV on the Linux tablet and
    > the phone rings. When I answer the phone, the data stops until I'm done.




    On GSM, 3G data and voice are simultaneous- data DOESN'T stop when a call
    comes in.

    > Of course, when connected on BT DUN, the phone's other features are all
    > inaccessible....MP3/Camera/etc.



    Really? Sounds like you need a multitasking phone! ;-)





  8. #23
    Larry
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    Re: MobileMe | A new service for your iPhone and PC

    Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in news:g67s1t$4p6$1
    @aioe.org:

    >> Of course, when connected on BT DUN, the phone's other features are all
    >> inaccessible....MP3/Camera/etc.

    >
    >
    > Really? Sounds like you need a multitasking phone! ;-)
    >
    >


    Nah...doesn't matter. Sellphones are just MODEMS, right?




  9. #24
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: MobileMe | A new service for your iPhone and PC

    At 23 Jul 2008 19:03:24 +0000 Larry wrote:

    > > Really? Sounds like you need a multitasking phone! ;-)

    >
    >
    > Nah...doesn't matter. Sellphones are just MODEMS, right?


    To you, yes. To me they're very small laptops with modems in them! ;-)

    In DC this week- took a White House tour at 7:30 this AM, and the tour
    forbids cameras, phones, etc.- even personal grooming items! So I treked
    out of thehotel at 7AM with my family and WITHOUT my WinMo phone.

    I was lost without the damn thing for two lousy hours! I didn't know the
    time (I stopped wearing a watch five years ago because cellphones display
    the time!) I couldn't lookup the closest restaurants to grab breakfast
    after the tour, and had to actually stop and ask a local where the nearest
    Metro station was. Jeez, it was like living in the dark ages (the early
    90's) again! I haven't felt this out of touch since my trip to Cancun in
    January (where connectivity exists, but I refuse to pay $15/MB for it!) ;-)






  10. #25
    DevilsPGD
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    Re: MobileMe | A new service for your iPhone and PC

    In message <[email protected]> "John B. Coarsey, PE"
    <jcoarsey<nospam>@yahoo.com> wrote:

    >
    >"DevilsPGD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> In message <[email protected]> "John B. Coarsey, PE"
    >> <jcoarsey<nospam>@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>>"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected]...
    >>>> We "others" don't need a push client. Our computers are multitasking
    >>>> and
    >>>> fully capable of checking all those services on their own without the
    >>>> browser push crapware.....
    >>>
    >>>as is the iphone

    >>
    >> And yet despite being capable of doing so, it is artificially prohibited
    >> from this relatively simple task.

    >
    >Please elaborate.


    Well, as I've been informed by no less then four application vendors who
    are creating Sync tools of various types, they simply cannot synchronize
    in the background.

    This isn't a problem if you're using the local application's interface,
    but if you're planning on keeping your Contacts list up to date, you
    need to his the Sync app once in a while.

    I'd sign up for the developer program if I could, but I don't have the
    niche hardware required, so unfortunately I haven't actually read the
    contracts myself.



  11. #26

    Re: MobileMe | A new service for your iPhone and PC

    On Jul 23, 8:22*am, Scott Seidman <[email protected]> wrote:

    > >> Nothing in a gmail account can be considered confidential.

    >
    > > Nothing sent in plaintext can be considered confidential, because the
    > > backbone is tapped; if you have privacy concerns, use strong

    >
    > Laugh if you must, but many an intellectual property case has been decided
    > upon the determination of just when an idea has been disclosed. *Our IP
    > attorneys always advise us NOT to use platforms like gmail for anything


    I have quite a few inventions for my present employer currently
    winding through the USPTO (due to the 18-month lagtime only one as yet
    appears in the pub-app search). It worries me somewhat that the
    outside attorneys our IP dept uses to prepare the filings often cc's
    their gmail accounts with emails containing drawings, etc... but on
    the other hand, I get my bonus when the application is filed, not when
    (or if) the USPTO approves it, so......

    But I think "reasonable expectation of privacy" could be argued very
    successfully for gmail. It is password-protected and can run over SSL.




  12. #27
    Scott Seidman
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    Re: MobileMe | A new service for your iPhone and PC

    [email protected] wrote in
    news:f53e2bb4-7eb2-44a3-87bd-70b71b526820@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:

    > On Jul 23, 8:22*am, Scott Seidman <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> >> Nothing in a gmail account can be considered confidential.

    >>
    >> > Nothing sent in plaintext can be considered confidential, because
    >> > the backbone is tapped; if you have privacy concerns, use strong

    >>
    >> Laugh if you must, but many an intellectual property case has been
    >> decide

    > d
    >> upon the determination of just when an idea has been disclosed. *Our
    >> IP attorneys always advise us NOT to use platforms like gmail for
    >> anything

    >
    > I have quite a few inventions for my present employer currently
    > winding through the USPTO (due to the 18-month lagtime only one as yet
    > appears in the pub-app search). It worries me somewhat that the
    > outside attorneys our IP dept uses to prepare the filings often cc's
    > their gmail accounts with emails containing drawings, etc... but on
    > the other hand, I get my bonus when the application is filed, not when
    > (or if) the USPTO approves it, so......
    >
    > But I think "reasonable expectation of privacy" could be argued very
    > successfully for gmail. It is password-protected and can run over SSL.
    >
    >


    By definition, google scans for keywords for ad purposes.

    --
    Scott
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  13. #28
    Larry
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    Re: MobileMe | A new service for your iPhone and PC

    "John B. Coarsey, PE" <jcoarsey<nospam>@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > Thanks, I remember now.
    >
    >


    This just in......

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-9998577-37.html




  14. #29
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: MobileMe | A new service for your iPhone and PC

    At 24 Jul 2008 13:50:24 +0000 Scott Seidman wrote:

    > > But I think "reasonable expectation of privacy" could be argued very
    > > successfully for gmail. It is password-protected and can run over SSL.
    > >
    > >

    >
    > By definition, google scans for keywords for ad purposes.



    True, but I opted in for that, and ONLY that, by signing up for GMail- a
    mindless bot searching for adsense keywords isn't the same as a pair of
    human eyeballs intelligently parsing the contents of my e-mail.





  15. #30
    DevilsPGD
    Guest

    Re: MobileMe | A new service for your iPhone and PC

    In message <[email protected]> Todd Allcock
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >At 24 Jul 2008 13:50:24 +0000 Scott Seidman wrote:
    >
    >> > But I think "reasonable expectation of privacy" could be argued very
    >> > successfully for gmail. It is password-protected and can run over SSL.

    >>
    >> By definition, google scans for keywords for ad purposes.

    >
    >True, but I opted in for that, and ONLY that, by signing up for GMail- a
    >mindless bot searching for adsense keywords isn't the same as a pair of
    >human eyeballs intelligently parsing the contents of my e-mail.


    While true, Google is famous for unintentional information releases in
    the form of usability features due to the interaction between features.

    You can pull the "real name" of a contact rather then just their chosen
    Gmail "real name", determine whether someone is actually offline in chat
    or just set to invisible, etc.

    It's not impossible that now or in the future there will be some tricks
    discovered that will reveal address book details, or message content to
    some extent which can be exploited in such a manor as to reveal specific
    information.



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