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  1. #16
    About Dakota
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    Re: Actual coverage areas



    Larry Thomas wrote:
    > [email protected] (XFF) wrote in article
    > <[email protected]>:
    >
    >>sparks <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    >>
    >>
    >>>Well I went to the Cingular web page and the coverage areas
    >>>are lets just say a bunch of hype.
    >>>They show coverage over the entire state. Ok sprint shows the main
    >>>cities and the highways are covered, LOTS of missing areas...but
    >>>honest.
    >>>There is no way that Cingular coveres the entire area they have
    >>>colored in.

    >>
    >>I guess as a Sprint PCS customer you're just not used to having good
    >>coverage, even off the beaten path. But while I don't know whether
    >>this is the case in AR or not, it is very much possible to have
    >>wall-to-wall coverage from cellular providers. That's why VZW,
    >>Cingular, and AT&TWS are the top 3 wireless providers in the country,
    >>and not PCS providers like Sprint PCS or T-Mobile.

    >
    >
    > Not true at all. The reason the other 3 are the top is because of
    > mergers and acquistions. I'm surprised at all of the misconception that
    > exists on this issue.


    Actually, it is true. If Cingular, Verizon Wireless, or AT&T Wireless
    decided that they were going to drop coverage in areas that were not by
    themselves profitable, they would see an increase in customer churn.
    Not only would you see coverage dropped intirely in some areas, total
    states would have coverage dropped (Like North Dakota, South Dakota,
    Montana, Wyoming, Idaho). The larger the coverage area, the more
    subscribers that provider will have.





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  2. #17
    Boy_Boy_6969
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    Re: Actual coverage areas



    Jim-G wrote:
    > boy you must be smokin' sump'n the indians use to believe those maps. Our
    > daughter drives from Indiana to the west coast each summer both north-south
    > and easr-west using her cingular, that is 'when' she can find coverage. You
    > need to talk to more users.
    >
    >


    It depends on whether you have a GSM, TDMA/AMPS, or AMPS only phone. I
    drove from Bismarck, North Dakota to Orlando, Florida, and the only
    areas without coverage were in the Chatanooga, TN area, where it was not
    even safe to use the phone. The only place I hit roaming was in
    Wisconsin and part of Illinois. I have a Moto C331t TDMA/AMPS phone,
    and it beats the coverage of even CDMA phones for digital service and
    quality (I had three CDMA phones -- all experienced unstable signal,
    poor digital quality but good analog qualilty, and poor digital
    coverage). I think it makes a difference what kind of phone you have -
    GSM and CDMA are newer technologies, and therefore still have bugs that
    are being worked out. In 10 years, it's possible that we may not even
    see an AMPS system, or even a TDMA system, but it's possible that those
    systems may even grow in coverage as some equipment manufacturers may
    offer discounts to carriers expanding TDMA, more as a back-up system.




  3. #18
    Larry Thomas
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    Re: Actual coverage areas



    About Dakota <[email protected]> wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    >
    >
    > Larry Thomas wrote:
    > > [email protected] (XFF) wrote in article
    > > <[email protected]>:
    > >
    > >>sparks <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>Well I went to the Cingular web page and the coverage areas
    > >>>are lets just say a bunch of hype.
    > >>>They show coverage over the entire state. Ok sprint shows the main
    > >>>cities and the highways are covered, LOTS of missing areas...but
    > >>>honest.
    > >>>There is no way that Cingular coveres the entire area they have
    > >>>colored in.
    > >>
    > >>I guess as a Sprint PCS customer you're just not used to having good
    > >>coverage, even off the beaten path. But while I don't know whether
    > >>this is the case in AR or not, it is very much possible to have
    > >>wall-to-wall coverage from cellular providers. That's why VZW,
    > >>Cingular, and AT&TWS are the top 3 wireless providers in the country,
    > >>and not PCS providers like Sprint PCS or T-Mobile.

    > >
    > >
    > > Not true at all. The reason the other 3 are the top is because of
    > > mergers and acquistions. I'm surprised at all of the misconception that
    > > exists on this issue.

    >
    > Actually, it is true. If Cingular, Verizon Wireless, or AT&T Wireless
    > decided that they were going to drop coverage in areas that were not by
    > themselves profitable, they would see an increase in customer churn.
    > Not only would you see coverage dropped intirely in some areas, total
    > states would have coverage dropped (Like North Dakota, South Dakota,
    > Montana, Wyoming, Idaho). The larger the coverage area, the more
    > subscribers that provider will have.
    >
    >


    That has nothing to do with the point I was trying to make.

    [posted via phonescoop.com]



  4. #19
    Larry Thomas
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    Re: Actual coverage areas

    The point I was trying to make is that the top 3 carriers didn't get to
    be the top 3 because of their coverage area, customer service,
    popularity etc. They got to be that way because of their mergers and
    acquistions which kept them ahead of the pack. It just so happens that
    the top 3 are mainly 800 Mhz cellular carriers. I'm not saying this is a
    bad thing or that it even matters but I am saying it's the reason they
    became the top 3. A lot of people mistaken think Verizon got to be the
    largest carrier because they are the best carrier. It had nothing to do
    with that. Let's AT&T & Cingular decided to merge next week. That would
    make AT&T the largest carrier by far. Does that automatically mean they
    become the best carrier then? No. If Sprint merged with let's say Nextel
    (or someone else) then that would put them into the No. 3 position.
    Whoever makes the most mergers is the carrier that will likely have the
    most subscribers.


    --
    -Larry
    Sprint user since 1997



    [email protected] (XFF) wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:

    >
    > There's no misconception on my part, thank you! Look at the coverage
    > map for a rural service area (take CMA666 [Texas 15 - Concho]) for
    > example) from Sprint PCS or T-Mobile and then compare to that of the
    > two cellular providers in that area. Now you tell me if one doesn't
    > look like Swiss Cheese and the other one like wall-to-wall carpeting.
    >
    > Yes, I know some providers lie about their true service area. Yes, I
    > know Sprint PCS has only been building out for a few years vs. the
    > cellular providers since the mid-80's. Yes I understand the economics
    > and consequences of covering low-density population areas.
    >
    > All of this doesn't change the facts. For good rural coverage, the
    > PCS providers cannot compete against incumbant cellular providers.


    [posted via phonescoop.com]



  5. #20
    Boy_Boy_6969
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    Re: Actual coverage areas

    It's highly unlikely that Sprint could even merge with Nextel, as they
    use very different technological standards for delivery of their
    services. It is more likely that Sprint would merge with Verizon
    Wireless or Western Wireless, but you know mergers are coming up in the
    near future, especially as number portability becomes madatorily
    available to consumers. Western Wireless charges a $5.00 monthly fee in
    some areas for this, which will increase their churn.

    One thing that remains important about the largest providers -- they
    stay largest because of their services, plans, CS, or other factors.
    People can still switch if they don't like services. I have seen quite
    a few people discontinue services they had from CommNet or AirTouch when
    it became Verizon because calling plan options decreased.

    Larry Thomas wrote:
    > The point I was trying to make is that the top 3 carriers didn't get to
    > be the top 3 because of their coverage area, customer service,
    > popularity etc. They got to be that way because of their mergers and
    > acquistions which kept them ahead of the pack. It just so happens that
    > the top 3 are mainly 800 Mhz cellular carriers. I'm not saying this is a
    > bad thing or that it even matters but I am saying it's the reason they
    > became the top 3. A lot of people mistaken think Verizon got to be the
    > largest carrier because they are the best carrier. It had nothing to do
    > with that. Let's AT&T & Cingular decided to merge next week. That would
    > make AT&T the largest carrier by far. Does that automatically mean they
    > become the best carrier then? No. If Sprint merged with let's say Nextel
    > (or someone else) then that would put them into the No. 3 position.
    > Whoever makes the most mergers is the carrier that will likely have the
    > most subscribers.
    >
    >





  6. #21
    Larry Thomas
    Guest

    Re: Actual coverage areas

    Yes I realize that a Sprint/Nextel merger would be very unlikely due to
    their different technologies. I was just using that as an example.

    --
    -Larry
    Sprint user since 1997



    Boy_Boy_6969 <[email protected]> wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    > It's highly unlikely that Sprint could even merge with Nextel, as they
    > use very different technological standards for delivery of their
    > services. It is more likely that Sprint would merge with Verizon
    > Wireless or Western Wireless, but you know mergers are coming up in the
    > near future, especially as number portability becomes madatorily
    > available to consumers. Western Wireless charges a $5.00 monthly fee in
    > some areas for this, which will increase their churn.
    >
    > One thing that remains important about the largest providers -- they
    > stay largest because of their services, plans, CS, or other factors.
    > People can still switch if they don't like services. I have seen quite
    > a few people discontinue services they had from CommNet or AirTouch when
    > it became Verizon because calling plan options decreased.
    >
    > Larry Thomas wrote:
    > > The point I was trying to make is that the top 3 carriers didn't get to
    > > be the top 3 because of their coverage area, customer service,
    > > popularity etc. They got to be that way because of their mergers and
    > > acquistions which kept them ahead of the pack. It just so happens that
    > > the top 3 are mainly 800 Mhz cellular carriers. I'm not saying this is a
    > > bad thing or that it even matters but I am saying it's the reason they
    > > became the top 3. A lot of people mistaken think Verizon got to be the
    > > largest carrier because they are the best carrier. It had nothing to do
    > > with that. Let's AT&T & Cingular decided to merge next week. That would
    > > make AT&T the largest carrier by far. Does that automatically mean they
    > > become the best carrier then? No. If Sprint merged with let's say Nextel
    > > (or someone else) then that would put them into the No. 3 position.
    > > Whoever makes the most mergers is the carrier that will likely have the
    > > most subscribers.
    > >
    > >

    >


    [posted via phonescoop.com]



  7. #22
    sparks
    Guest

    Re: Actual coverage areas


    Thank you to everyone who helped me with this.
    I have one other point and question.
    They say that analog is going out in 2004, I think that a lot of
    coverage in my state is by the old swbell analog system that was
    here years ago and will go out in 2004. Maybe then they can put up a
    map of the real coverage areas. 1 mile north and south of the main
    highways LOL

    my question is the phones you mention. What type of phone technology
    does cingular use? and with the drop of analog will this all change
    in the near future?

    thanks again
    sparks



    On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:00:57 GMT, sparks <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I live in Arkansas and wanted to change from sprint to another
    >carrier. Well I went to the Cingular web page and the coverage areas
    >are lets just say a bunch of hype.
    >They show coverage over the entire state. Ok sprint shows the main
    >cities and the highways are covered, LOTS of missing areas...but
    >honest.
    >There is no way that Cingular coveres the entire area they have
    >colored in.
    >
    >IS there a way to see what their coverage area is really like?
    >
    >I have had sprint for years and I enjoy the longdistance and call from
    >anywhere feature .... does Cingular have these same things?
    >
    >The reason I am changing, rollover minutes and no charges when you try
    >to swap phones....sprint hit me for $30 to move my number from my old
    >phone (6 months old,,that was crap) to my new phone.
    >$30 to move a number ???????
    >
    >thanks for any help
    >
    >sparks
    >





  8. #23
    About Dakota
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    Re: Actual coverage areas

    I don't think it's accurate that analog will go out in 2004. If it is,
    I'd better discontinue my cell phone, as I will lose 80% of my home
    coverage area. There are too many rural areas that only have AMPS
    coverage, and too many subscribers that still have AMPS only phones to
    discontue the system entirely. If you have a CDMA or TDMA phone and you
    do not live in a metropolis, it's amazing how often you might fall back
    on analog. In fact, in Bismarck, North Dakota, AMPS coverage beats CDMA
    coverage in most aspects, even in town. Digital coverage is unreliable,
    with many dropped calls, poor voice quality, unreliable signal...need I
    say more? But analog has a better voice quality than digital here (I
    know it's against the principles of cellular technology, but I "forced
    analog" on my Audiovox CDMA phone before making any phone call. AMPS is
    just too prevalent to just go out like that, I think it will have to
    wait until TDMA/CDMA/GSM is more spread out.

    sparks wrote:
    > Thank you to everyone who helped me with this.
    > I have one other point and question.
    > They say that analog is going out in 2004, I think that a lot of
    > coverage in my state is by the old swbell analog system that was
    > here years ago and will go out in 2004. Maybe then they can put up a
    > map of the real coverage areas. 1 mile north and south of the main
    > highways LOL
    >
    > my question is the phones you mention. What type of phone technology
    > does cingular use? and with the drop of analog will this all change
    > in the near future?
    >
    > thanks again
    > sparks
    >
    >
    >
    > On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:00:57 GMT, sparks <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I live in Arkansas and wanted to change from sprint to another
    >>carrier. Well I went to the Cingular web page and the coverage areas
    >>are lets just say a bunch of hype.
    >>They show coverage over the entire state. Ok sprint shows the main
    >>cities and the highways are covered, LOTS of missing areas...but
    >>honest.
    >>There is no way that Cingular coveres the entire area they have
    >>colored in.
    >>
    >>IS there a way to see what their coverage area is really like?
    >>
    >>I have had sprint for years and I enjoy the longdistance and call from
    >>anywhere feature .... does Cingular have these same things?
    >>
    >>The reason I am changing, rollover minutes and no charges when you try
    >>to swap phones....sprint hit me for $30 to move my number from my old
    >>phone (6 months old,,that was crap) to my new phone.
    >>$30 to move a number ???????
    >>
    >>thanks for any help
    >>
    >>sparks
    >>

    >
    >





  9. #24
    William Bray
    Guest

    Re: Actual coverage areas

    I agree. AMPS is here to stay. It is still the base of Public Service
    bands. It will be several years before CDMA or GSM actually become
    established enough to obliberate the need for AMPS. By the time they
    start impacting rural America UMT will come along and they will be busy
    trying to update for that technology. At this rate AMPS will remain an
    active standard in many parts of the country.
    While GSM carriers have proclaimed an end to AMPS CDMA and TDMA carriers
    have made no such proclamation. The time frame mentioned is when GSM
    providers have permission to start turning off TDMA, not when it will
    actually happen.

    sparks <[email protected]> wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    >
    > Thank you to everyone who helped me with this.
    > I have one other point and question.
    > They say that analog is going out in 2004, I think that a lot of
    > coverage in my state is by the old swbell analog system that was
    > here years ago and will go out in 2004. Maybe then they can put up a
    > map of the real coverage areas. 1 mile north and south of the main
    > highways LOL
    >
    > my question is the phones you mention. What type of phone technology
    > does cingular use? and with the drop of analog will this all change
    > in the near future?
    >
    > thanks again
    > sparks
    >
    >
    >
    > On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:00:57 GMT, sparks <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >I live in Arkansas and wanted to change from sprint to another
    > >carrier. Well I went to the Cingular web page and the coverage areas
    > >are lets just say a bunch of hype.
    > >They show coverage over the entire state. Ok sprint shows the main
    > >cities and the highways are covered, LOTS of missing areas...but
    > >honest.
    > >There is no way that Cingular coveres the entire area they have
    > >colored in.
    > >
    > >IS there a way to see what their coverage area is really like?
    > >
    > >I have had sprint for years and I enjoy the longdistance and call from
    > >anywhere feature .... does Cingular have these same things?
    > >
    > >The reason I am changing, rollover minutes and no charges when you try
    > >to swap phones....sprint hit me for $30 to move my number from my old
    > >phone (6 months old,,that was crap) to my new phone.
    > >$30 to move a number ???????
    > >
    > >thanks for any help
    > >
    > >sparks
    > >

    >


    [posted via phonescoop.com]



  10. #25
    N W
    Guest

    Re: Actual coverage areas

    The Cingular map is a calling map, not a coverage map, it shows where
    you can place a call accoriding to roaming charges. companies operating
    on 850mHz are not required to show a "Coverage" except where they are
    using PCS frequency. And when they preform a tech change like going to
    GSM. Wait until you see a Cingular GSM coverage map, you will
    understand.

    --
    Thanx,

    N W


    sparks <[email protected]> wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    > I live in Arkansas and wanted to change from sprint to another
    > carrier. Well I went to the Cingular web page and the coverage areas
    > are lets just say a bunch of hype.
    > They show coverage over the entire state. Ok sprint shows the main
    > cities and the highways are covered, LOTS of missing areas...but
    > honest.
    > There is no way that Cingular coveres the entire area they have
    > colored in.
    >
    > IS there a way to see what their coverage area is really like?
    >
    > I have had sprint for years and I enjoy the longdistance and call from
    > anywhere feature .... does Cingular have these same things?
    >
    > The reason I am changing, rollover minutes and no charges when you try
    > to swap phones....sprint hit me for $30 to move my number from my old
    > phone (6 months old,,that was crap) to my new phone.
    > $30 to move a number ???????
    >
    > thanks for any help
    >
    > sparks
    >


    [posted via phonescoop.com]



  11. #26
    nini
    nini is offline
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    Re: Actual coverage areas

    So what is the quality of mobile coverage of T-mobile compared to Cingular or Sprint in this area? (surrounding LR)?
    Any personal experience? any good advice before I jump onto the wagon?
    Thanks!



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