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  1. #1
    PDA Man
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    Since this has been discussed when the List was first announced, and the fact that it also encompassed cellular numbers, I feel OK to post this. I know I am interested, and PISSED. Was looking forward to the start. Lets hope this stop is short lived.

    Sept 24 - A federal judge has ruled that the Federal Trade Commission overstepped its authority in creating the national do-not-call list against telemarketers. The ruling Tuesday came in a lawsuit brought by telemarketers who challenged the list of 50 million people who said they do not want to receive business solicitation calls. The list was to go into effect Oct. 1.

    For the rest of the story CLICK HERE



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  2. #2
    Chris Russell
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    Re: NEWS: Courts Block the NO CALL List!!

    This is just the first step in the court process. Maybe this was a
    vindictive Federal Judge and might be overturned on emergency appeal.

    --
    Chris

    Please respond on Usenet or Phonescoop.com


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  3. #3
    Bob Smith
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    Re: NEWS: Courts Block the NO CALL List!!


    "Chris Russell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > This is just the first step in the court process. Maybe this was a
    > vindictive Federal Judge and might be overturned on emergency

    appeal.
    >
    > --
    > Chris


    I read in another news article where they felt they could overturn
    this decision ... and if they can't, I hope that judge gets put on
    every telephone list out there ...

    Bob





  4. #4
    Mark F
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Courts Block the NO CALL List!!

    I think 50 Million people who utilize phone numbers in the US is enough
    of a reason to let it go. Who the heck does this judge think he is to
    delay it. He is probably some small time judge trying to make a name
    for himself.

    IMHO...There should be no provision for a single judge to overturn such
    an item like this one. A very large population of the USA has spoken!
    --
    Mark


    [email protected]am (Chris Russell) wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    > This is just the first step in the court process. Maybe this was a
    > vindictive Federal Judge and might be overturned on emergency appeal.
    >
    > --
    > Chris
    >
    > Please respond on Usenet or Phonescoop.com
    >
    >
    > "PDA Man" <[email protected]> wrote in article
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    > > Lets hope this stop is short lived.
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  5. #5
    Justin
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Courts Block the NO CALL List!!


    "Mark F" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > I think 50 Million people who utilize phone numbers in the US is enough
    > of a reason to let it go. Who the heck does this judge think he is to
    > delay it. He is probably some small time judge trying to make a name
    > for himself.
    >
    > IMHO...There should be no provision for a single judge to overturn such
    > an item like this one. A very large population of the USA has spoken!
    > --
    > Mark
    >



    You'd think that companies would at least honor the wishes of people who
    don't want to be called, regardless of whether the FCC had the authority or
    not. But they're just after money, so they don't care how annoying they
    are.





  6. #6
    William Bray
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Courts Block the NO CALL List!!

    The last thing tele-marketers want to do is respect the right of the
    person on the other end not wanting to be harassed by them. Greed
    rules. With this action they can slam dunk anyone who tries to sue them
    for being invasive into their lives.

    "PDA Man" <[email protected]> wrote in article
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    > I know I am interested, and PISSED. Was looking forward to the start. =
    > Lets hope this stop is short lived.
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    > Sept 24 - A federal judge has ruled that the Federal Trade Commission =
    > overstepped its authority in creating the national do-not-call list =
    > against telemarketers. The ruling Tuesday came in a lawsuit brought by =
    > telemarketers who challenged the list of 50 million people who said they =
    > do not want to receive business solicitation calls. The list was to go =
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  7. #7
    Chris Russell
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Courts Block the NO CALL List!!

    Just so you know, the FTC Federal Trade Commission effected the "Do Not
    Call" list, not the FCC Federal Comunication Commission. The appeal
    will probably go to the 3 judge panel in that district, or because of
    the lateness of the hour the Supreme Court Justice that supervises that
    state will accept an emergency appeal to the full Supreme Court with
    consultation of the other Justices. Let's hope so.

    --
    Chris

    Please respond on Usenet or Phonescoop.com


    "Justin" <[email protected]> wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    >
    > "Mark F" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > I think 50 Million people who utilize phone numbers in the US is enough
    > > of a reason to let it go. Who the heck does this judge think he is to
    > > delay it. He is probably some small time judge trying to make a name
    > > for himself.
    > >
    > > IMHO...There should be no provision for a single judge to overturn such
    > > an item like this one. A very large population of the USA has spoken!
    > > --
    > > Mark
    > >

    >
    >
    > You'd think that companies would at least honor the wishes of people who
    > don't want to be called, regardless of whether the FCC had the authority or
    > not. But they're just after money, so they don't care how annoying they
    > are.
    >
    >


    [posted via phonescoop.com]



  8. #8
    Geoffrey S. Mendelson
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Courts Block the NO CALL List!!

    In article <[email protected]>, PDA Man wrote:

    > Since this has been discussed when the List was first announced, and the =
    > fact that it also encompassed cellular numbers, I feel OK to post this. =
    > I know I am interested, and PISSED. Was looking forward to the start. =
    > Lets hope this stop is short lived.


    All you need to do is to implement a caller pays system like we have
    here in Israel. It makes cellular phones available to everyone and gets
    rid of solicitation calls on them.

    Geoff.

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  9. #9
    Jer
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Courts Block the NO CALL List!!

    PDA Man wrote:
    > Since this has been discussed when the List was first announced, and the
    > fact that it also encompassed cellular numbers, I feel OK to post this.
    > I know I am interested, and PISSED. Was looking forward to the start.
    > Lets hope this stop is short lived.
    >
    > Sept 24 ó A federal judge has ruled that the Federal Trade Commission
    > overstepped its authority in creating the national do-not-call list
    > against telemarketers. The ruling Tuesday came in a lawsuit brought by
    > telemarketers who challenged the list of 50 million people who said they
    > do not want to receive business solicitation calls. The list was to go
    > into effect Oct. 1.
    >
    > For the rest of the story CLICK HERE <http://palmplace.blogspot.com>



    Listening to PBS in the car a while ago, they said Congress could
    grant the authority to the FCC to invoke a national DNC list in short
    order. I imagine if any politician wants a snow ball's chance in hell
    of being re-electable, the FCC will get their wish, and the
    telemarketers will just have to find something else to whine about -
    as if anybody really cares.

    --
    jer email reply - I am not a 'ten' ICQ = 35253273
    "All that we do is touched with ocean, yet we remain on the shore of
    what we know." -- Richard Wilbur




  10. #10
    Opentoe
    Guest

    Re: Courts Block the NO CALL List!!

    Doesn't matter to me...I usually keep my phone off the hook and when I do answer it soon as I hear the idiot trying to sell me something, I hang up. They do call on weekends, during the most times when people are home....soon I'll just disconnect all together and just use my cell phone.

    "PDA Man" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    Since this has been discussed when the List was first announced, and the fact that it also encompassed cellular numbers, I feel OK to post this. I know I am interested, and PISSED. Was looking forward to the start. Lets hope this stop is short lived.

    Sept 24 - A federal judge has ruled that the Federal Trade Commission overstepped its authority in creating the national do-not-call list against telemarketers. The ruling Tuesday came in a lawsuit brought by telemarketers who challenged the list of 50 million people who said they do not want to receive business solicitation calls. The list was to go into effect Oct. 1.

    For the rest of the story CLICK HERE



  11. #11
    Opentoe
    Guest

    Re: Courts Block the NO CALL List!!

    Hahahaha, so now that list of phone numbers that the FTC has will be sold to the telemarketers!
    "PDA Man" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    Since this has been discussed when the List was first announced, and the fact that it also encompassed cellular numbers, I feel OK to post this. I know I am interested, and PISSED. Was looking forward to the start. Lets hope this stop is short lived.

    Sept 24 - A federal judge has ruled that the Federal Trade Commission overstepped its authority in creating the national do-not-call list against telemarketers. The ruling Tuesday came in a lawsuit brought by telemarketers who challenged the list of 50 million people who said they do not want to receive business solicitation calls. The list was to go into effect Oct. 1.

    For the rest of the story CLICK HERE



  12. #12
    m thaler
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Courts Block the NO CALL List!!



    [email protected] (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote in article ets hope this
    stop is short lived.
    >
    > All you need to do is to implement a caller pays system like we have
    > here in Israel. It makes cellular phones available to everyone and gets
    > rid of solicitation calls on them.
    >
    > Geoff.
    >

    This has been discussed many times.
    1. Phone solicitors can not call cel phones.
    2. As you mentioned, in virtually all countries outside the U.S.
    and Canada, the cost of an incoming call to a cel shows up on your land
    line bill. What you forgot to mention is that cost is extremely high,
    as much as 10 to 20 cents/min. in many countries. In the U.S., cost of
    incoming and well as outgoing calls is well under 10 cents/min. for most
    people. Many of us pay less than 2 cents/min.!! In addition, most
    users in the U.S. have plans that include unlimited nites and weekends.

    Because cel useage is so cheap here, many people have given up land
    lines entirely in favor of cel phones. Others of us forward all calls
    from home and office to our cel when we are away because of the low
    cost. That cost would be virtually prohibitive in most countries.


    ...mike

    [posted via phonescoop.com]



  13. #13
    William Bray
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Courts Block the NO CALL List!!

    There is just one problem with this notion. Many Tele-markets have
    computers that generate numbers at random. This way they can get around
    unlisted numbers. A cell phone number is an unlisted number with the
    local land line data banks. As several cell phone owners has listed
    themselves with land line no contact lists this opens up a whole new can
    of worms. What's a 20 cent call to a hundred dollar sale? What they
    don't do now will happen unless people get together to protect their
    interest on this one. How can they do this? It's called a waiver.

    [email protected] (m thaler) wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    >
    >
    > [email protected] (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote in article ets hope this
    > stop is short lived.
    > >
    > > All you need to do is to implement a caller pays system like we have
    > > here in Israel. It makes cellular phones available to everyone and gets
    > > rid of solicitation calls on them.
    > >
    > > Geoff.
    > >

    > This has been discussed many times.
    > 1. Phone solicitors can not call cel phones.
    > 2. As you mentioned, in virtually all countries outside the U.S.
    > and Canada, the cost of an incoming call to a cel shows up on your land
    > line bill. What you forgot to mention is that cost is extremely high,
    > as much as 10 to 20 cents/min. in many countries. In the U.S., cost of
    > incoming and well as outgoing calls is well under 10 cents/min. for most
    > people. Many of us pay less than 2 cents/min.!! In addition, most
    > users in the U.S. have plans that include unlimited nites and weekends.
    >
    > Because cel useage is so cheap here, many people have given up land
    > lines entirely in favor of cel phones. Others of us forward all calls
    > from home and office to our cel when we are away because of the low
    > cost. That cost would be virtually prohibitive in most countries.
    >
    >
    > ...mike
    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]



  14. #14
    dan allen
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Courts Block the NO CALL List!!

    Just full of saturated info

    [email protected] (William Bray) wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    > There is just one problem with this notion. Many Tele-markets have
    > computers that generate numbers at random. This way they can get around
    > unlisted numbers. A cell phone number is an unlisted number with the
    > local land line data banks. As several cell phone owners has listed
    > themselves with land line no contact lists this opens up a whole new can
    > of worms. What's a 20 cent call to a hundred dollar sale? What they
    > don't do now will happen unless people get together to protect their
    > interest on this one. How can they do this? It's called a waiver.
    >
    > [email protected] (m thaler) wrote in article
    > <[email protected]>:
    > >
    > >
    > > [email protected] (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote in article ets hope this
    > > stop is short lived.
    > > >
    > > > All you need to do is to implement a caller pays system like we have
    > > > here in Israel. It makes cellular phones available to everyone and gets
    > > > rid of solicitation calls on them.
    > > >
    > > > Geoff.
    > > >

    > > This has been discussed many times.
    > > 1. Phone solicitors can not call cel phones.
    > > 2. As you mentioned, in virtually all countries outside the U.S.
    > > and Canada, the cost of an incoming call to a cel shows up on your land
    > > line bill. What you forgot to mention is that cost is extremely high,
    > > as much as 10 to 20 cents/min. in many countries. In the U.S., cost of
    > > incoming and well as outgoing calls is well under 10 cents/min. for most
    > > people. Many of us pay less than 2 cents/min.!! In addition, most
    > > users in the U.S. have plans that include unlimited nites and weekends.
    > >
    > > Because cel useage is so cheap here, many people have given up land
    > > lines entirely in favor of cel phones. Others of us forward all calls
    > > from home and office to our cel when we are away because of the low
    > > cost. That cost would be virtually prohibitive in most countries.
    > >
    > >
    > > ...mike
    > >
    > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]



  15. #15
    dan allen
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: Courts Block the NO CALL List!!

    wow I should post my responses on every link too, ..........there just
    saturated with info great work William!

    [email protected] (William Bray) wrote in article
    <[email protected]ernews.com>:
    > There is just one problem with this notion. Many Tele-markets have
    > computers that generate numbers at random. This way they can get around
    > unlisted numbers. A cell phone number is an unlisted number with the
    > local land line data banks. As several cell phone owners has listed
    > themselves with land line no contact lists this opens up a whole new can
    > of worms. What's a 20 cent call to a hundred dollar sale? What they
    > don't do now will happen unless people get together to protect their
    > interest on this one. How can they do this? It's called a waiver.
    >
    > [email protected] (m thaler) wrote in article
    > <[email protected]>:
    > >
    > >
    > > [email protected] (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote in article ets hope this
    > > stop is short lived.
    > > >
    > > > All you need to do is to implement a caller pays system like we have
    > > > here in Israel. It makes cellular phones available to everyone and gets
    > > > rid of solicitation calls on them.
    > > >
    > > > Geoff.
    > > >

    > > This has been discussed many times.
    > > 1. Phone solicitors can not call cel phones.
    > > 2. As you mentioned, in virtually all countries outside the U.S.
    > > and Canada, the cost of an incoming call to a cel shows up on your land
    > > line bill. What you forgot to mention is that cost is extremely high,
    > > as much as 10 to 20 cents/min. in many countries. In the U.S., cost of
    > > incoming and well as outgoing calls is well under 10 cents/min. for most
    > > people. Many of us pay less than 2 cents/min.!! In addition, most
    > > users in the U.S. have plans that include unlimited nites and weekends.
    > >
    > > Because cel useage is so cheap here, many people have given up land
    > > lines entirely in favor of cel phones. Others of us forward all calls
    > > from home and office to our cel when we are away because of the low
    > > cost. That cost would be virtually prohibitive in most countries.
    > >
    > >
    > > ...mike
    > >
    > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


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