140 million in Memphis - Why?

Does anyone have any idea why Cingular would invest so much in one
market and not try to build their national footprint out?

http://famulus.msnbc.com/famuluscom/...7.asp?bizj=MEM

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"Jared Robinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Does anyone have any idea why Cingular would invest so much in one
> market and not try to build their national footprint out?

The regional VP likes blues, barbeque and Graceland and is looking for an
excuse to spend some time there on the company's dime during the buildout
period...

Doc

"Doc" <doc @ doc..net> wrote in article
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> "Jared Robinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
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> > Does anyone have any idea why Cingular would invest so much in one
> > market and not try to build their national footprint out?
>
> The regional VP likes blues, barbeque and Graceland and is looking for an
> excuse to spend some time there on the company's dime during the buildout
> period...
>
> Doc
>
>

I was gonna guess something silly, like "they want to keep their
existing customers happy by providing good service, and think there are
more customers in the area to add".

I prefer the "barbeque theory", though.

-Jim.


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"Jared Robinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Does anyone have any idea why Cingular would invest so much in one
> market and not try to build their national footprint out?
>
>
That's what it's going to cost to do simple upgrades to the network there.
"Building out their footprint" would require that they BUY other existing
networks and convert them. Since most markets brought billions of dollars in
FCC auctions a few years back, the costs involved would be such huge dollars
that most people can't even fathom the numbers. You can't just build a tower
and put it on your system. There are licensing and environmental impact
issues that you can't even guess at. FCC Form 601 is a 4 page form with 103
pages of directions (last time I looked). If you want to start service in an
area where it already exists, there's no license to apply for because
somebody else already has it. That's why roaming agreements are important.
No carrier owns spectrum everywhere.

Mark



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They are currently building out in Montanna to keep from loosing that
spectrum, and i beleive they have a few other places where they are in
danger of not fullfilling their FCC obligations. One would think they
would attempt to sell it off (If thats legal) rather than getting it
repo'd by the FCC.

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Boy_Boy_6969 <[email protected]> wrote in article
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> Dan W. wrote:
> > I believe Sprint comes real close...
> >
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> Yes, I also believe they do, but they chose not to use much of that
> spectrum. I am willing to bet Sprint will have a lot of its spectrum
> repossessed by the FCC in the coming years because it is not building
> out like "promised" (per FCC regulations, of course).
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Yeah--why would Cingular do that?

You idiots. You sound like my dumb customers, "Why can't Cingular just
make the green on the map turn orange and make it free to roam
everywhere?" There are many different companies with many different
services and many different agendas. You, the customer, are important,
but not the center of the universe.



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You can buy a plan that does that or haven't you checked it out?

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[email protected] (Tom Z) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> Yeah--why would Cingular do that?
>
> You idiots. You sound like my dumb customers, "Why can't Cingular just
> make the green on the map turn orange and make it free to roam
> everywhere?" There are many different companies with many different
> services and many different agendas. You, the customer, are important,
> but not the center of the universe.
>
>
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com]

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I wonder if this isn't some of the spectrum that Cingular recent bought
in bancrupcy court.

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[email protected] (Jared Robinson) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> Does anyone have any idea why Cingular would invest so much in one
> market and not try to build their national footprint out?
>
> http://famulus.msnbc.com/famuluscom/...7.asp?bizj=MEM
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> [posted via phonescoop.com]

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"Dan W." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I believe Sprint comes real close...
>
I hardly think so. There is no system licensed for all markets. When Sprint
or anyone else buys a block of spectrum, they tend to take in the larger
(more profitable) markets, and smaller markets end up in the hands of a
local lawyer or such. The bigger carriers lease that spectrum from those
license holders to enhance their footprint. Much of what Sprint operates
under their own name actually belongs to other people. When it comes to
market share, even those leased systems add up to Sprint being number 4 in
number of subscribers. Though the order varies from market to market, the
biggest is Verizon, then Cingular, then ATT, then Sprint. Big regional
players like US Cellular and Alltel seldom crack the top ten.

My point is this; the BIG name (local) company that you've all grown up
with, is still not "the phone company" of old, before the breakup of ATT.
Even then there were other phone companies in smaller markets. The cellular
and pcs networks were specifically licensed to prevent anyone becoming a
monopoly. There's not going to be an everywhere network belonging to one
company. The best anyone can do is make a deal with those who own a system
where they don't.

Mark


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Jared Robinson wrote:

> Does anyone have any idea why Cingular would invest so much in one
> market and not try to build their national footprint out?
>
> http://famulus.msnbc.com/famuluscom/...7.asp?bizj=MEM
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> [posted via phonescoop.com]


Not in the same area but, I heard the other day that Cingular and Dobson
Communications were to Exchange Markets through an agreement to trade
Dobson's ownership in its Eastern Shore of Maryland cellular property
for Cingular's ownership in its Northwest Michigan cellular property.

At least somebody's trying to improve.


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did you see the recent announcement about Atlanta? it seems many markets are
getting a lot of cash.





>Subject: 140 million in Memphis - Why?
>From: [email protected] (Jared Robinson)
>Date: 10/14/2003 10:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time
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>Does anyone have any idea why Cingular would invest so much in one
>market and not try to build their national footprint out?
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>http://famulus.msnbc.com/famuluscom/...7.asp?bizj=MEM
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Jeff Ream
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Tom Z wrote:
> Yeah--why would Cingular do that?
>
> You idiots. You sound like my dumb customers, "Why can't Cingular just
> make the green on the map turn orange and make it free to roam
> everywhere?" There are many different companies with many different
> services and many different agendas. You, the customer, are important,
> but not the center of the universe.


I beg to differ. For a consumer company, a customer is the centre of
the universe. But it's colleectively. One customer is not the centre
of everything, but all customers are the centre of everything.

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Chris Russell wrote:
> I wonder if this isn't some of the spectrum that Cingular recent bought
> in bancrupcy court.
>

http://www.nwfusion.com/edge/news/20...7cingular.html

No Tennessee markets are listed. However, Cingular could have gained
additional spectrum with someone other than Nextwave.

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