Nov 24: Cell phone # portability

> There is no Verizon Wireless stock- it is simply a division of Verizon.
> Although I wholeheartedly agree that Vodafone pulling out of the
> partnership would be catastrophic to the VZW organization.

"What has perhaps increased tension between the two companies is
Vodafone's contractual option of forcing Verizon to pay the British firm
10 billion dollars in return for a large chunk of its stake."

Sorry, I misread "stake" for "stock".

> Actually, the effect on number conservation is only going to be as great as
> the number of people that ask for their number to be ported. If you don't
> ask, you'll get a brand new number. And if you move out of your 'home'
> area, you can't take your number with you.

You can change billing addresses to areas not serviced by your provider,
but you will be stuck with a phone number that is long distance for
anyone calling locally. I am in that situation right now with Cingular.
Western Wireles Cellular One is terrible here, and Verizon isn't much
better [here], so it's not even worth switching.

I would guess it would be the high volume users who would want to take
their numbers with them. They are the ones most likely receiving quite
a few calls and those who don't want to change thier phone numbers.

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News Reader wrote:
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> John S. wrote:
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>>> Cingular does not own the telephone number.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, they do. Read your contract.
>>
>> They bought and paid for the numbers in blocks of 10,000.
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>
> So, why wouldn't a phone company purchase *all* numbers in a given area
> code?
>

As I've understood it, they would, except they're not allowed to acquire
more number blocks beyond their expected growth potential within the
particular LATA. How this growth potential is figured is apparently the
result of some tricky voodoo from the FCC cabal, and this has forced
area code splits in dozens of locales already.

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>Cingular does not own the telephone number. On November 24th, if this
>is your current phone number, and you are not in contract, you may take
>that number to another carrier (but not in all markets, only in the top
>100 cities). If you do not live in one of the top 100 cities, you
>cannot take your number with you until next year (I'm not sure the date
>yet).

Where can I find the list of these 100 top cities?

>You can change billing addresses to areas not serviced by your provider,
>but you will be stuck with a phone number that is long distance for
>anyone calling locally.

However with LD being free with most all cell phones it isn't a situation that
usually causes a lot of concern.

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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:19:44 -0700, Steve Vai <****[email protected]> wrote:

>then where does cingular get new #'s from if everyone is taking the
>#'s they had and going elsewhere? i don't see how this can be
>implemented without cingular and other carriers fighting it in court,
>but i agree it should be just like your landline, change companies and
>keep your #

cingular gets new numbers from the same place that AT&T, T-Mobile, SBC
and Verizon. They get the numbers from the number administrator.

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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:54:28 -0400, kf4qzj <[email protected]>
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>Like you cant use it outside it normal area. Like moving to a
>different area code.

huh? someone i know had another phone added to their cingular line
(dumb bastard) but with an area code from central california, so you
can hook up a phone with an area code not yours but u cant keep the
number if u move? wtf?

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Steve Vai wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:54:28 -0400, kf4qzj <[email protected]>
> wrote:
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> >Like you cant use it outside it normal area. Like moving to a
> >different area code.
>
> huh? someone i know had another phone added to their cingular line
> (dumb bastard) but with an area code from central california, so you
> can hook up a phone with an area code not yours but u cant keep the
> number if u move? wtf?
>

You're missing the point of local number portability. Look closely at the
name. *Local* number portability. LNP, including WLNP, gives you the right
to take your phone number with you TO ANOTHER CARRIER within your LOCAL
calling area.

I currently reside in the 804-227 exchange operated by Sprint/Centel. I
have a very limited local calling area consisting of the other two Sprint
exchanges in my county. There are no competitive carriers here. Sprint
will permit me to take my 804-227 number with me if I move elsewhere
within the local calling area (804-449 or 804-883 exchanges) even though
AFAIK that's not required by LNP guidelines.

The point to LNP is to be able to take your number with you when you
change to another carrier within your local calling area. As far as my
residential phone service goes, there ARE no competitive carriers here
(Sprint is my only choice for local service) so LNP is pointless (rest
assured I still see surcharges for it on my bill though).

Now, as far as my WIRELESS service goes, I have two lines with Verizon
Wireless out of Richmond. If I were to switch to, say, Sprint PCS, I could
take those numbers with me. I would still be receiving service with
Richmond numbers through a carrier with service switched out of Richmond.

If I wanted to go with Cingular, however, I could not take those numbers
wtih me. Cingular's exchanges are in Fredericksburg, 30 miles north of me,
well outside the boundaries of the Richmond calling area. I would have to
abandon my current VZW numbers and get new Cingular numbers.

To add to the puzzle, Verizon Wireless states on their web site that they
will permit porting of landline phone numbers, too. Again, this would not
be beneficial to me, as even though Verizon Wireless's switching center is
nearby (about 15 miles) it is outside the boundary of my local calling
area. If I had an Ashland number, however, which IS within the Richmond
LCA, I could take that Ashland number to my wireless service with Verizon
Wireless (still not Cingular, as Fredericksburg is outside the LCA).

SOOOOO... in response to your post... you most certainly *should* be able
to keep that area code if you move. LNP has nothing to do with physical
relocation. It has to do with the moving of wireless service from one
carrier to another. If you should move your service on that line from
Cingular to another carrier within that same local calling area, yes, you
can take the number with you.

Steve


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Steve Crow wrote:
> (Sprint is my only choice for local service) so LNP is pointless (rest
> assured I still see surcharges for it on my bill though).

Ask for a credit. Three months ago I called CS and stated I didn't
want to pay for a non-mandated "tax". Rep gave me a $50 credit spread
over two billing cycles of $25 each month.

Is it bad timing to sign a new contract with Cingular for a free phone?

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Curly) wrote:

> Is it bad timing to sign a new contract with Cingular for a free phone?

Yes. Do nothing until Nov. 24. Watch the competition scream for
customers to stay with them on the one hand, and switch to them, on the
other hand.

Besides, I don't like Cingular's phone choices right now. I want a
tri-band phone, and the 6340i scares me.

On 21 Oct 2003 21:59:53 GMT, [email protected] (Curly)
wrote:

>Is it bad timing to sign a new contract with Cingular for a free phone?

Why would it be bad timing? What are you looking for besides free?

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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:53:17 -0700, Group Special Mobile
<look@signature_to.reply> wrote:

>On 21 Oct 2003 21:59:53 GMT, [email protected] (Curly)
>wrote:
>
>>Is it bad timing to sign a new contract with Cingular for a free phone?
>
>Why would it be bad timing? What are you looking for besides free?
>

because youll be signing a 1 or 2 year contract, you will be stuck
with cingular and they can **** you 7 ways from sunday while everyone
else is being cut deals cause they are jumping to other carriers WITH
their phone numbers, you will be stuck unless you pay $150 to get out
of your contract with the devil. free now pay later. if you wait till
a month or 2 after nov 24 then there will more competition and
cingular and others will make new cheaper plans to keep/gain customers
and the guy who signed the $100 a month contract is stuck for the next
year or 2 and cingular WILL NOT cut them a deal just cause everyone
else is getting one.

"Scott Stephenson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>About Dakota wrote:

>There is no Verizon Wireless stock- it is simply a division of Verizon.
>Although I wholeheartedly agree that Vodafone pulling out of the
>partnership would be catastrophic to the VZW organization.

Unlikely that it would crash. Verizon can easily borrow the
cash to pay off Vodafone, based on the additional income from
not having to split the profits with 55/45 with Vodafone.
Vodafone wants a GSM carrier. They would likely go after AT&T
if they sell their stake in Verizon. But they may just wait it
out; the world is moving to CDMA, and Verizon is the leader
in CDMA. Especially after investing so much in CapEx over the
past few years, Vodafone won't want to walk away from Verizon,
the fastest growing carrier that is seemingly unstoppable, and that
will further extend it's lead when LNP starts.

In article <[email protected]>,
Steve Vai <****[email protected]> wrote:

> because youll be signing a 1 or 2 year contract, you will be stuck
> with cingular and they can **** you 7 ways from sunday while everyone
> else is being cut deals cause they are jumping to other carriers WITH
> their phone numbers, you will be stuck unless you pay $150 to get out
> of your contract with the devil. free now pay later. if you wait till
> a month or 2 after nov 24 then there will more competition and
> cingular and others will make new cheaper plans to keep/gain customers
> and the guy who signed the $100 a month contract is stuck for the next
> year or 2 and cingular WILL NOT cut them a deal just cause everyone
> else is getting one.

All this is true, but consider: if the contract buyout is only $150 or
so, you balance that against the savings to be had by jumping. It all
comes down to how much are you going to pay over the next 2 years. Do
the math. If you're going to save $20/month by jumping, for a total of
$240, then you pay the $150 to jump and STILL save yourself $90 over the
next 2 years.

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:05:40 -0700, Steve Vai <****[email protected]> wrote:

>because youll be signing a 1 or 2 year contract, you will be stuck
>with cingular and they can **** you 7 ways from sunday

Do you use that same mouth to eat?

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