Cingular to acquire somebody?

Found this article on RCR Wireless this morning..
http://rcrnews.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?newsId=16022

"Merger rumors have been circulating for years concerning the nation's three
GSM-based carriers-Cingular, AT&T Wireless Services Inc. and T-Mobile USA
Inc., with many analysts noting a deal between two if not all three would
help alleviate competitive pressure in the market.

T-Mobile USA was often regarded as the most likely to be acquired due to its
smallest player position, but recent comments by its parent company Deutsche
Telekom AG and strong quarterly performance has quelled that possibility.
The most recent industry buzz has Cingular acquiring AT&T Wireless, which
would result in a strong nationwide presence with both cellular and PCS
licenses serving more than 40 million subscribers. "

Very interesting indeed.

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"Brsmnky007" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Found this article on RCR Wireless this morning..
> http://rcrnews.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?newsId=16022
>
> "Merger rumors have been circulating for years concerning the nation's
three
> GSM-based carriers-Cingular, AT&T Wireless Services Inc. and T-Mobile USA
> Inc., with many analysts noting a deal between two if not all three would
> help alleviate competitive pressure in the market.
>
> T-Mobile USA was often regarded as the most likely to be acquired due to
its
> smallest player position, but recent comments by its parent company
Deutsche
> Telekom AG and strong quarterly performance has quelled that possibility.
> The most recent industry buzz has Cingular acquiring AT&T Wireless, which
> would result in a strong nationwide presence with both cellular and PCS
> licenses serving more than 40 million subscribers. "
>
> Very interesting indeed.

The two most likely ones I see are ATT and cingular.
The 800Mhz band would be an almost perfect clean cut.

The only major place they would have to sell is cingular's
property in Florida.
That would most likely go to Alltel, because Alltel already
owns the other half of the Florida properties on the B band.
And one or two CMAs in Texas, and you have a clean cut.
Then put all the PCS licenses together, and you have something
to talk about.

Native coverage would make verizon look sick by comparison.

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:56:07 -0600, "Brsmnky007"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Found this article on RCR Wireless this morning..
>http://rcrnews.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?newsId=16022
>
>"Merger rumors have been circulating for years concerning the nation's three
>GSM-based carriers-Cingular, AT&T Wireless Services Inc. and T-Mobile USA
>Inc., with many analysts noting a deal between two if not all three would
>help alleviate competitive pressure in the market.
>
>T-Mobile USA was often regarded as the most likely to be acquired due to its
>smallest player position, but recent comments by its parent company Deutsche
>Telekom AG and strong quarterly performance has quelled that possibility.
>The most recent industry buzz has Cingular acquiring AT&T Wireless, which
>would result in a strong nationwide presence with both cellular and PCS
>licenses serving more than 40 million subscribers. "
>

yet another reason to choose verizon....geez

> yet another reason to choose verizon....geez

I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at... I larger native service
area would seem to benefit Cingular subscribers

> > yet another reason to choose verizon....geez
>
> I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at... I larger native
service
> area would seem to benefit Cingular subscribers

The verizon supporters say that you should use verizon
because it's the biggest and best network.

And when another company has a chance of taking
those positions, they say that you should use the
competitor (verizon) because the company is to big
and bloated.

They don't get the fact that it is the quality of coverage
where you live, and use the phone.
Not the quality of service in California
(If you live in Indiana.) or vice versa.

The merger would help the customers of both companies.
Where the PCS systems and licenses overlap, you
have more network capacity to handle the load.
Where a customer has a small calling area because
the spectrum in that area is broken up between
cingular and att, now you will have a solid coverage area.

There is a lot of places where cellular licenses
for ATT and cingular in the east are adjoining,
and if they merged, it would benefit the users.

It's all part of keeping total operating cost
down for a large number of users, that
Way, they can provide better packages at
a lower price and still make a profit.

> The two most likely ones I see are ATT and cingular.
> The 800Mhz band would be an almost perfect clean cut.
>
> The only major place they would have to sell is cingular's
> property in Florida.
> That would most likely go to Alltel, because Alltel already
> owns the other half of the Florida properties on the B band.
> And one or two CMAs in Texas, and you have a clean cut.
> Then put all the PCS licenses together, and you have something
> to talk about.
>
> Native coverage would make verizon look sick by comparison.

But...didn't the FCC lift the spectrum cap rules?

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Steve Vai wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:56:07 -0600, "Brsmnky007"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> Found this article on RCR Wireless this morning..
>>http://rcrnews.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?newsId=16022
>>
>>"Merger rumors have been circulating for years concerning the nation's three
>>GSM-based carriers-Cingular, AT&T Wireless Services Inc. and T-Mobile USA
>>Inc., with many analysts noting a deal between two if not all three would
>>help alleviate competitive pressure in the market.
>>
>>T-Mobile USA was often regarded as the most likely to be acquired due to its
>>smallest player position, but recent comments by its parent company Deutsche
>>Telekom AG and strong quarterly performance has quelled that possibility.
>>The most recent industry buzz has Cingular acquiring AT&T Wireless, which
>>would result in a strong nationwide presence with both cellular and PCS
>>licenses serving more than 40 million subscribers. "
>>
>
>
> yet another reason to choose verizon....geez

Guess what? Verizon Wireless is slacking. Monet Mobile has had CDMA 1x
EV-DO before Verizon Wireless, it covers more cities than Verizon EV-DO
does, it's cheaper, and it has better reviews! Another reason not to
choose Verizon....geez

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> The two most likely ones I see are ATT and cingular.
> The 800Mhz band would be an almost perfect clean cut.
>
> The only major place they would have to sell is cingular's
> property in Florida.
> That would most likely go to Alltel, because Alltel already
> owns the other half of the Florida properties on the B band.
> And one or two CMAs in Texas, and you have a clean cut.
> Then put all the PCS licenses together, and you have something
> to talk about.
>
> Native coverage would make verizon look sick by comparison.

Something else that I thought of -- Cingular doesn't seem to be doing
much with EDGE, but AT&T WS does...might that indicate something?

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"Aboutdakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > The two most likely ones I see are ATT and cingular.
> > The 800Mhz band would be an almost perfect clean cut.
> >
> > The only major place they would have to sell is cingular's
> > property in Florida.
> > That would most likely go to Alltel, because Alltel already
> > owns the other half of the Florida properties on the B band.
> > And one or two CMAs in Texas, and you have a clean cut.
> > Then put all the PCS licenses together, and you have something
> > to talk about.
> >
> > Native coverage would make verizon look sick by comparison.
>
> But...didn't the FCC lift the spectrum cap rules?

The cap rules don't affect the 800Mhz cell band.
One carrier can still only own one of the two
licenses in a CMA.
If they merge, where they own both of them,
then they are forced to sell off one of the licenses.

That doesn't have anything to do with
the towers and network equipment.
They can keep all that and
put all of it on the band they are keeping.

"N9WOS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Aboutdakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > > The two most likely ones I see are ATT and cingular.
> > > The 800Mhz band would be an almost perfect clean cut.
> > >
> > > The only major place they would have to sell is cingular's
> > > property in Florida.
> > > That would most likely go to Alltel, because Alltel already
> > > owns the other half of the Florida properties on the B band.
> > > And one or two CMAs in Texas, and you have a clean cut.
> > > Then put all the PCS licenses together, and you have something
> > > to talk about.
> > >
> > > Native coverage would make verizon look sick by comparison.
> >
> > But...didn't the FCC lift the spectrum cap rules?
>
> The cap rules don't affect the 800Mhz cell band.
> One carrier can still only own one of the two
> licenses in a CMA.
> If they merge, where they own both of them,
> then they are forced to sell off one of the licenses.

Edit..........from the FCC.
..............................................
The FCC eliminated the cellular cross-interest rule in MSAs in recognition
that the cellular carriers in these areas no longer enjoy significant
first-mover advantages. The FCC retained the cellular cross-interest rule in
RSAs because cellular incumbents generally continue to dominate the market
in those areas. However, the FCC noted it will entertain - and be inclined
to grant - waivers of the rule for those RSAs that exhibit market conditions
under which cellular cross-interests may also be permissible without
significant likelihood of substantial competitive harm.
................................................

So the only ones they have to sell off are the RSAs they own.

Aboutdakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > The two most likely ones I see are ATT and cingular.
> > The 800Mhz band would be an almost perfect clean cut.
> >
> > The only major place they would have to sell is cingular's
> > property in Florida.
> > That would most likely go to Alltel, because Alltel already
> > owns the other half of the Florida properties on the B band.

Acquiring Cingular or ATT might not be a good fit for Alltel as it is
CDMA .


--
Thomas M. Goethe

> > > The two most likely ones I see are ATT and cingular.
> > > The 800Mhz band would be an almost perfect clean cut.
> > >
> > > The only major place they would have to sell is cingular's
> > > property in Florida.
> > > That would most likely go to Alltel, because Alltel already
> > > owns the other half of the Florida properties on the B band.
>
> Acquiring Cingular or ATT might not be a good fit for Alltel as it is
> CDMA .

That is if you assume that cingular sells the equipment with the license.

Cingular can keep their B side equipment and move it to the A band to
reinforce ATT already decent network.
If I was cingular, that is what I would do.

Alltel would have to start from scratch on coverage.

N9WOS wrote:
>>>>The two most likely ones I see are ATT and cingular.
>>>>The 800Mhz band would be an almost perfect clean cut.
>>>>
>>>>The only major place they would have to sell is cingular's
>>>>property in Florida.
>>>>That would most likely go to Alltel, because Alltel already
>>>>owns the other half of the Florida properties on the B band.
>>>
>> Acquiring Cingular or ATT might not be a good fit for Alltel as it is
>>CDMA .
>
>
> That is if you assume that cingular sells the equipment with the license.
>
> Cingular can keep their B side equipment and move it to the A band to
> reinforce ATT already decent network.
> If I was cingular, that is what I would do.
>
> Alltel would have to start from scratch on coverage.

Why would it make more sense to sell Cingular's B license than AT&T A
license?

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> Why would it make more sense to sell Cingular's B license than AT&T A
> license?

To eliminate any fractured coverage.
Where a company's coverage comes up against the
territory of a neighboring company, they have to keep
their signal below a specified level in the neighboring
territory, to minimize interference to the neighbor.

If you own both licenses, then you can saturate
the border, with no gaps in coverage.

ATT has a license map in Florida that is worth a lot.
Almost complete coverage on one band.

If you kept cingular's licenses, then the west side
of Florida would be covered on the A side, and
the east side(minus one CMA) would be
covered on the B side,
There would be a band fracture down the middle of the state.
You would have to fight the neighbor to the east on
the A band and the neighbor to the west on the B band.
And anyone that crosses over the gap will have to put
up with dropped calls, and missed calls.
Anyone that lives in that gap will be stuck with marginal service.

If you keep it all to one side, the only "on band" neighbor
you have to work with is yourself.

Fractured service is something companies have to live with
because of the broken up licensing method, but it is
something that should be avoided at substantial cost.

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:19:59 -0600, "Brsmnky007"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> yet another reason to choose verizon....geez
>
>I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at... I larger native service
>area would seem to benefit Cingular subscribers
>

if u thought SINgular was bad now, wait till they have twice the
customers, 1 less competitor and a HUUUUUUUUUUGE area of coverage. one
less company means more bending over for customers.