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  1. #1
    Fatfreek
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    I'm a novice to my new 6340i and just set it to auto-update date and time
    yesterday. No visible problem -- till (perhaps) I checked my minutes log at
    "my account". There are line items that I can't explain, ST = CL, Num =
    111-111-1111, Period = DT, and Duration = 1.0.

    They are immediately before (or after -- I can't recall) other calls.

    Is it possible that with auto-update set ON, that Cingular goes out and
    polls some network clock and that it's costing me a unit of time every time
    I make a call just to keep my clock updated?

    Any other explanation for this 111-111-1111?

    Len Miller





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  2. #2
    HF
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    Re: Auto-update time penalty?

    "Fatfreek" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > I'm a novice to my new 6340i and just set it to auto-update date and time
    > yesterday. No visible problem -- till (perhaps) I checked my minutes log at
    > "my account". There are line items that I can't explain, ST = CL, Num =
    > 111-111-1111, Period = DT, and Duration = 1.0.
    >
    > They are immediately before (or after -- I can't recall) other calls.
    >
    > Is it possible that with auto-update set ON, that Cingular goes out and
    > polls some network clock and that it's costing me a unit of time every time
    > I make a call just to keep my clock updated?
    >
    > Any other explanation for this 111-111-1111?


    I see these too... I see alot of weird stuff on
    "myaccount.cingualr.com view minutes" but when they close out the
    billing cycle all this satuff washes out and it works out ok [so far!]
    Like "Follow Me" calls that no one can explain...

    On the auto update of time & date the only problem I have is the
    incredible inaccuracy of the time. At least two minutes slow
    according to numerous anal retentive atomic clocks I use. I know not
    to make a call if the atomic time is 9:00PM 'cuz the phone will read
    8:58PM



  3. #3
    Aboutdakota
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    Re: Auto-update time penalty?



    HF wrote:
    > "Fatfreek" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    >
    >>I'm a novice to my new 6340i and just set it to auto-update date and time
    >>yesterday. No visible problem -- till (perhaps) I checked my minutes log at
    >>"my account". There are line items that I can't explain, ST = CL, Num =
    >>111-111-1111, Period = DT, and Duration = 1.0.
    >>
    >>They are immediately before (or after -- I can't recall) other calls.
    >>
    >>Is it possible that with auto-update set ON, that Cingular goes out and
    >>polls some network clock and that it's costing me a unit of time every time
    >>I make a call just to keep my clock updated?
    >>
    >>Any other explanation for this 111-111-1111?

    >
    >
    > I see these too... I see alot of weird stuff on
    > "myaccount.cingualr.com view minutes" but when they close out the
    > billing cycle all this satuff washes out and it works out ok [so far!]
    > Like "Follow Me" calls that no one can explain...
    >
    > On the auto update of time & date the only problem I have is the
    > incredible inaccuracy of the time. At least two minutes slow
    > according to numerous anal retentive atomic clocks I use. I know not
    > to make a call if the atomic time is 9:00PM 'cuz the phone will read
    > 8:58PM


    I have been roaming since the beginning of August, and my phone, a T62u,
    will often come up with a screen when switching protocols: "The new time
    and date is 14:47 on Jan-01-1901". The time seems totally random. As
    soon as I click "No" for do not update, another one pops up. The date
    is always 01 January, and the most common years are 1970 and 1901. I am
    currently in a Western Wireless service area.

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  4. #4
    N9WOS
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    Re: Auto-update time penalty?

    > I have been roaming since the beginning of August, and my phone, a T62u,
    > will often come up with a screen when switching protocols: "The new time
    > and date is 14:47 on Jan-01-1901". The time seems totally random. As
    > soon as I click "No" for do not update, another one pops up. The date
    > is always 01 January, and the most common years are 1970 and 1901. I am
    > currently in a Western Wireless service area.


    Hehehehehh. hahahaha.........
    Guess why that is..................... Na....... I'll tell you why that is.

    The phone is reading the time message from the network, and
    the computers that operate the cellular system isn't Y2K compatible.

    Those two numbers you stated is the most common default
    of non Y2K compatible systems, when you feed the a year
    code over 2000 to them!

    Some systems will default to 1901, because the last digits
    will reset to 00,01, or the last two digits of the actual year,
    that being 03.

    And some computer BIOSs will see that the year
    is earlier than the date the BIOS was written,
    which can't be possible, so it sets it to 1960,
    or 1970 depending on the computer system and BIOS date.

    WWireless just got the system where it would work fine
    with the problem and let it run, instead of updating everything
    to be Y2K compatible..

    Hahahahahhaha..... This is too good!!!!!!!!!!!!!





  5. #5
    Aboutdakota
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    Re: Auto-update time penalty?



    N9WOS wrote:
    >>I have been roaming since the beginning of August, and my phone, a T62u,
    >>will often come up with a screen when switching protocols: "The new time
    >>and date is 14:47 on Jan-01-1901". The time seems totally random. As
    >>soon as I click "No" for do not update, another one pops up. The date
    >>is always 01 January, and the most common years are 1970 and 1901. I am
    >>currently in a Western Wireless service area.

    >
    >
    > Hehehehehh. hahahaha.........
    > Guess why that is..................... Na....... I'll tell you why that is.
    >
    > The phone is reading the time message from the network, and
    > the computers that operate the cellular system isn't Y2K compatible.
    >
    > Those two numbers you stated is the most common default
    > of non Y2K compatible systems, when you feed the a year
    > code over 2000 to them!
    >
    > Some systems will default to 1901, because the last digits
    > will reset to 00,01, or the last two digits of the actual year,
    > that being 03.
    >
    > And some computer BIOSs will see that the year
    > is earlier than the date the BIOS was written,
    > which can't be possible, so it sets it to 1960,
    > or 1970 depending on the computer system and BIOS date.
    >
    > WWireless just got the system where it would work fine
    > with the problem and let it run, instead of updating everything
    > to be Y2K compatible..
    >
    > Hahahahahhaha..... This is too good!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    I can see the whole date issue, sometimes the year is a random year,
    like 1987 or 1996. However, I do notice that the time is sporadically
    off, sometime sending a message to my phone that it is 15:17, then a
    couple of minutes later the time will flash at 3:23, then a couple of
    minutes later, I get the same update message with 23:47!

    I figure that Western Wirless is probably having minor system trouble,
    as it overlaying much of its network with GSM 850, in which a SID
    already had AMPS, TDMA, and CDMA. What a mess!

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  6. #6
    N9WOS
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    Re: Auto-update time penalty?

    > I can see the whole date issue, sometimes the year is a random year,
    > like 1987 or 1996.


    The ones that update the year to the BIOS date
    if they see that the current year is earlier than the
    bios date will either update it to 1960, or 1970
    for the original IBM PCs, and later generations
    that had the original BIOS version written after those dates.

    The IBM clones will sometimes update to the
    bios date.(I may have not made that clear.)
    The other dates like 1987 or 1996 is the
    bios dates of the clone computer that default to
    the bios date.

    >However, I do notice that the time is sporadically
    > off, sometime sending a message to my phone that it is 15:17, then a
    > couple of minutes later the time will flash at 3:23, then a couple of
    > minutes later, I get the same update message with 23:47!


    That is a side effect of the above.
    When a computer system can't tolerate the actual date, they
    disconnect it's time updating system from the rest of the network
    and leave it in isn't own virtual time zone. :-)
    If it did try to update the time, it would probably crash the system
    when it sees the 2003 figure.
    And since the date isn't right anyway, why take the time to keep
    the hour and minuet clock right?
    They would have to set each computer system date manually,
    and even if they did, the clocks will drift.
    So, for thousands of sites, it isn't worth keeping the right time.





  7. #7
    N9WOS
    Guest

    Re: Auto-update time penalty?

    > >However, I do notice that the time is sporadically
    > > off, sometime sending a message to my phone that it is 15:17, then a
    > > couple of minutes later the time will flash at 3:23, then a couple of
    > > minutes later, I get the same update message with 23:47!

    >
    > That is a side effect of the above.
    > When a computer system can't tolerate the actual date, they
    > disconnect it's time updating system from the rest of the network
    > and leave it in isn't own virtual time zone. :-)
    > If it did try to update the time, it would probably crash the system
    > when it sees the 2003 figure.
    > And since the date isn't right anyway, why take the time to keep
    > the hour and minuet clock right?
    > They would have to set each computer system date manually,
    > and even if they did, the clocks will drift.
    > So, for thousands of sites, it isn't worth keeping the right time.
    >
    >


    Ow.... and the reason it seems sporadic is the fact that your phone
    is probably receiving a signal from two or three, or more towers,
    and each tower is set to a different time.
    So, as it bounces around the different signals, it keeps getting different
    times.





  8. #8
    Aboutdakota
    Guest

    Re: Auto-update time penalty?



    N9WOS wrote:
    >>>However, I do notice that the time is sporadically
    >>>off, sometime sending a message to my phone that it is 15:17, then a
    >>>couple of minutes later the time will flash at 3:23, then a couple of
    >>>minutes later, I get the same update message with 23:47!

    >>
    >>That is a side effect of the above.
    >>When a computer system can't tolerate the actual date, they
    >>disconnect it's time updating system from the rest of the network
    >>and leave it in isn't own virtual time zone. :-)
    >>If it did try to update the time, it would probably crash the system
    >>when it sees the 2003 figure.
    >>And since the date isn't right anyway, why take the time to keep
    >>the hour and minuet clock right?
    >>They would have to set each computer system date manually,
    >>and even if they did, the clocks will drift.
    >>So, for thousands of sites, it isn't worth keeping the right time.
    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    > Ow.... and the reason it seems sporadic is the fact that your phone
    > is probably receiving a signal from two or three, or more towers,
    > and each tower is set to a different time.
    > So, as it bounces around the different signals, it keeps getting different
    > times.


    Yeah. My phonse sees Verizon AMPS (SID 268), Western Wireless AMPS (SID
    285), Western Wireless TDMA (SID 285), and Western Wireless GSM (SID
    unknown, probably also SID 285).

    The phone never had any time issues until the past few weeks. That's
    what made me think it's WW's problem as they try to get thier GSM
    working properly. A couple of times yesterday, my phone would be in
    TDMA mode, then beep and cut out, then say "No Network". After I
    restarted the phone, it would say "Cingular Extend" with the GSM icon.
    I could not make any calls while in GSM mode.

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  9. #9
    N9WOS
    Guest

    Re: Auto-update time penalty?


    > The phone never had any time issues until the past few weeks. That's
    > what made me think it's WW's problem as they try to get thier GSM
    > working properly. A couple of times yesterday, my phone would be in
    > TDMA mode, then beep and cut out, then say "No Network". After I
    > restarted the phone, it would say "Cingular Extend" with the GSM icon.
    > I could not make any calls while in GSM mode.
    >


    If it only started happening last week, then you
    are probably right.





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