What do you think? Cingular CAN win

>
> It's not like I am living in the middle of Iowa. I am in MIAMI - a
> major U.S. city and the service simply doesn't work on my street and I
> am 1 block off a major artery.
>

Actually, I live in the middle of Iowa and the coverage is excellent here.

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Amazing that on my Nation (GAIT) Plan, I have never been without
service in North and South Carolina. I just came back from Charlotte
and got the Cingular signal coming down the hill on I-77 about 1/2
mile still in VA. It all depends on the plan that you have as to the
service that you will get.

Chris
Please respond on Usenet




Michael Notforyou <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
> > If you live in Florida, I would recommend Cingular Wireless as your
> > wireless service provider. Cingular does a great job with customer
> > service (for that region) and is rated at the top for the Southeast
> > United States (along with Nextel and T-Mobile). For some reason, no
> > CDMA2000 carrier was at the top.
> >
>
> Obviously, they didn't include North Carolina in that survey.
>
> 1) Cingular is horrible here. 15 minute wait times for CS, then they
> forget they're allowed to talk to you. (I'm was authorized on the
> account six months ago, but my name has disappeared from the records.)
> Service isn't that great away from major metros. In a suburb of my city,
> there's almost no service. If my Nokia 3390 is in my pocket, it doesn't
> work.
> 2) T-Mobile has exactly zero licenses in North Carolina.
> 3) Two words: Billing. Issues.
>
> > Cingular does offer attractive coverage.
>
> Ha!!
>
> > I had a TDMA phone until
> > recently
>
> Again, ha! No TDMA for Carolinas users!
>
> > (I switched to GAIT, but I've been roaming in the western part
> > of the U.S. since the beginning of Augutst).
>
> We've got two - count 'em, two - GAIT phones. A Sony Ericsson (shudder -
> Sony Ericsson using something other than GSM...oh boy) and a Nokia.
>
> > When Cingular TDMA signal
> > was not present, I would roam on AT&T TDMA, and that was free roaming on
> > (at least on my Preferred Nation plan).
>
> A third ha! Leaving the Carolinas has me roaming on T-
> Mobile/VoiceStream. That is, if GSM1900 service is present. (Granted, I
> have a GSM1900-only phone, not GAIT.) Oh, and I'm almost never
> authorized on AT&T Wireless's GSM.
>
>
> Cingular is good in Florida - granted. Although, I have a relative in
> Florida who has Cingular, he's in Miami to be exact. He HATES his
> Cingular service. Cingular is horrible in the Carolinas. Or at least I
> think so. There are plenty of carriers in the Carolinas better than
> Cingular.
>
> *Michael Notforyou*

"Chris Russell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
| Amazing that on my Nation (GAIT) Plan, I have never been without
| service in North and South Carolina. I just came back from Charlotte
| and got the Cingular signal coming down the hill on I-77 about 1/2
| mile still in VA. It all depends on the plan that you have as to the
| service that you will get.
|

I have also been blessed with extremely good coverage with cingular in the
NC/SC area, and not even on a GAIT phone. On just a GSM. In my particular
area, there are far fewer holes in the Cingular network than in Verizon's.

On 2 Dec 2003 05:10:05 -0800, [email protected] (Matapalo) posted
in alt.cellular.verizon:

>What kind of crap is that? The contract is valid and enforceable in
>Florida but service is not?

No cellular company guarantees service.

>Verizon's response and treatment of a ten year customer was and is
>UNCONSCIONABLE! I will most likely go to small claims court

You agreed to arbitration when you signed your contract, so you can't
take them to court.

>I will NEVER, EVER buy a phone with a contract again.

You're going to Sprint?

>The best bet is to go to ebay and buy an UNLOCKED phone that will work
>on TMOBILE, AT&T and CINGULAR for the discounted retail price and then
>you can change carriers whenever you want.

Your initial signup is for at least one year.

>Also, maybe one of the geniuses in the marketing department will
>figure out the best way to get customers in the wake of Number
>Portability will be to offer to PAY FOR YOUR EARLY TERMINATION fees if
>you switch to their carrier.

They probably would - if you sign a 3 or 4 year contract.

>What about rate plans that are fair and easy and provide discounts
>based on volume just like any other normal business? This concept
>can't be difficult - it's an age-old marketing standard and people
>have come to expect it over the years.

>Here, you plug in the numbers - change them as you wish but you get
>the idea:
>
>< 200 minutes = $0.30/minute
>200 - 500 minutes = $0.27
>500 - 1000 minutes = $0.25
>1000 - 1500 minutes = $0.20
>> 1500 minutes = $0.15

How about these numbers?

300 minutes $0.116/minute
400 minutes $0.10/minute
800 minutes $0.075/minute
1200 minutes $0.066/minute
1600 minutes $0.0625/minute
etc?

You mean like that?

(That's Verizon's America's Choice plan.)

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:32:34 -0600, N R <my_computer@is_spam.free>
posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

>Mikey wrote:
>> yeah, perhaps take a semester of English 101 instead of spending 3 months
>> beta testing phones.

>You should not say that. You did capitalize the word 'yeah'; you did
>not ***** out the number 'three'; you did not include the subject 'you'
>when referring to the previous poster; and the phrase 'instead of
>spending' is awkward.

>You should know by now the moral of the saying, "People who live in
>glass houses should not throw stones."

You said, "You did capitalize the word 'yeah'", instead of "You didn't
...."

>Will he be seeing you in that semester of ENG 101? The average German
>citizen speaks English better than the average American citizen.

The "average" German citizen doesn't speak English. The average
German citizen who speaks English doesn't speak it as well as the
average American citizen due, imo, to the totally different
construction of the two languages. The average German citizen who
travels to the US probably does speak English better than the average
American citizen, but that's due to the fact that the German citizen
in question is one of the better educated German citizens.

>Does that say something about the United States?

Aside from the fact that a very large number of American citizens are
immigrants who don't speak English very well? Yes, unfortunately it
says that education isn't thought of too highly these days by
native-born American kids.

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:58:48 -0500, "Bob the Printer"
<[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

>"some retard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...

>> Maybe you can speak English, or even American, but you sure as hell
>> can't type it.

>AMEN! He can't even ***** 'their' for instance!

Did you mean "they're"?

> The "average" German citizen doesn't speak English. The average
> German citizen who speaks English doesn't speak it as well as the
> average American citizen due, imo, to the totally different
> construction of the two languages. The average German citizen who
> travels to the US probably does speak English better than the average
> American citizen, but that's due to the fact that the German citizen
> in question is one of the better educated German citizens.

Well, it might not be far fetched. Right now I live in an area where
people primarily speak English. But how many people normally don't
speak English at home? I think the census keeps track of this, but I
didn't see it on the website. The dominant languages aside from English
in this area are Norwegian and German (not by far a majority) and are
usually spoken by those aged 60++

>>Does that say something about the United States?
>
>
> Aside from the fact that a very large number of American citizens are
> immigrants who don't speak English very well? Yes, unfortunately it
> says that education isn't thought of too highly these days by
> native-born American kids.

Really, English and Spanish should be taught side-by-side, at least to
the fashion in which English and French are taught in Canada (Canada is
legally a French speaking country). That would at least give native
Spanish speakers a better understanding of English, and native English
speakers a better understanding of French.

==AD

Al Klein wrote:
> On 2 Dec 2003 05:10:05 -0800, [email protected] (Matapalo) posted
> in alt.cellular.verizon:
>
>
>>What kind of crap is that? The contract is valid and enforceable in
>>Florida but service is not?
>
>
> No cellular company guarantees service.
>
>
>>Verizon's response and treatment of a ten year customer was and is
>>UNCONSCIONABLE! I will most likely go to small claims court
>
>
> You agreed to arbitration when you signed your contract, so you can't
> take them to court.
>
>
>>I will NEVER, EVER buy a phone with a contract again.
>
>
> You're going to Sprint?

Cingular is a carrier that offers no-contract options with no additional
monthly fees (however, if you choose to purchase a phone through
Cingular, the price will most likely be substiantially higher).

>>The best bet is to go to ebay and buy an UNLOCKED phone that will work
>>on TMOBILE, AT&T and CINGULAR for the discounted retail price and then
>>you can change carriers whenever you want.
>
> Your initial signup is for at least one year.

Again, Cingular does allow no-contract options.

>>Also, maybe one of the geniuses in the marketing department will
>>figure out the best way to get customers in the wake of Number
>>Portability will be to offer to PAY FOR YOUR EARLY TERMINATION fees if
>>you switch to their carrier.
>
> They probably would - if you sign a 3 or 4 year contract.

Or if you sign a longer contract *with* a *higher* ETF (not only for the
one they paid off, but in addition to theirs).

>>What about rate plans that are fair and easy and provide discounts
>>based on volume just like any other normal business? This concept
>>can't be difficult - it's an age-old marketing standard and people
>>have come to expect it over the years.
>
>
>>Here, you plug in the numbers - change them as you wish but you get
>>the idea:
>>
>>< 200 minutes = $0.30/minute
>>200 - 500 minutes = $0.27
>>500 - 1000 minutes = $0.25
>>1000 - 1500 minutes = $0.20
>>
>>>1500 minutes = $0.15
>>
>
> How about these numbers?
>
> 300 minutes $0.116/minute
> 400 minutes $0.10/minute
> 800 minutes $0.075/minute
> 1200 minutes $0.066/minute
> 1600 minutes $0.0625/minute
> etc?
>
> You mean like that?
>
> (That's Verizon's America's Choice plan.)

Does he maybe mean that you only pay for minutes that you use.

*If* he is, here is an example:

17 minutes used at $0.30/min = $5.10 (plus taxes and fees) for the
monthly bill

201 minutes used at $0.27/min = $54.27 (plus taxes and fees)

This situation would, of course, cater to the lower use people. In
Canada, SaskTel Mobility offered a $4.99 monthly plan where you paid a
rate for incoming minutes, a higher rate for outgoing local minutes, and
and even higher rate for outgoing long distance minutes. Because the
per minute rate was not cheap, it was not a good deal for normal users,
but it was an exceptional value for people who made only occasional
calls. And, roaming anywhere in Canada was included with this plan
(plans in Canada usually include nationwide roaming at no extra cost).
I do not know how much the minutes did or do cost, or if this option is
still available.

==AD

Jason,

You must not travel much in NC and SC because once you get five miles from
a major highway outside of a city your Cingular phone might as well be a
brick. Verizon has an infinitely better network in the Carolinas and far
fewer holes outside of the major cities, although I must admit in really
rural areas it too has limitations. Cingular's is getting better as they
build out the network, but it is not close to Verizon's. The best, I think,
though, is Alltel, which I am considering switching to. Alltel, which is
more a rural carrier, has really spent a lot in the last few years putting
in coverage and filling in holes in rural markets in the Carolinas and it
really shows. Everyone I know with Cingular in the greater Charlotte area
and in Columbia, Rock Hill, etc. constantly complains also about getting
network busy signals, having dropped calls, etc. Anyway, I am glad your
experience has been a good one, but it does equal what I am hearing from
others here.


"Jason Cothran" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Chris Russell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> | Amazing that on my Nation (GAIT) Plan, I have never been without
> | service in North and South Carolina. I just came back from Charlotte
> | and got the Cingular signal coming down the hill on I-77 about 1/2
> | mile still in VA. It all depends on the plan that you have as to the
> | service that you will get.
> |
>
> I have also been blessed with extremely good coverage with cingular in the
> NC/SC area, and not even on a GAIT phone. On just a GSM. In my particular
> area, there are far fewer holes in the Cingular network than in Verizon's.
>
>

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 01:16:09 -0600, Aboutdakota
<[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

>Really, English and Spanish should be taught side-by-side, at least to
>the fashion in which English and French are taught in Canada (Canada is
>legally a French speaking country). That would at least give native
>Spanish speakers a better understanding of English, and native English
>speakers a better understanding of French.

You meant Spanish, of course.

It would allow kids to post as badly in Spanish as they do now in
English. (Don't they teach homonyms these days?)

"RichardMNixon, Jr." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jason,
>
> You must not travel much in NC and SC because once you get five miles
from
> a major highway outside of a city your Cingular phone might as well be a
> brick. Verizon has an infinitely better network in the Carolinas and far
> fewer holes outside of the major cities, although I must admit in really
> rural areas it too has limitations. Cingular's is getting better as they
> build out the network, but it is not close to Verizon's. The best, I
think,
> though, is Alltel, which I am considering switching to. Alltel, which is
> more a rural carrier, has really spent a lot in the last few years putting
> in coverage and filling in holes in rural markets in the Carolinas and it
> really shows. Everyone I know with Cingular in the greater Charlotte area
> and in Columbia, Rock Hill, etc. constantly complains also about getting
> network busy signals, having dropped calls, etc. Anyway, I am glad your
> experience has been a good one, but it does equal what I am hearing from
> others here.
>
Actually I travel a good bit, and have seen the exact opposite from others I
know on Verizon, especially down around Newberry (not far out of Columbia).
I can attest to three areas very well.... Cingular's coverage is much better
in rural areas in Spartanburg county, Laurens county, and Newberry. For the
most part, Verizon is dead in the back woods areas of these counties, which
I am sure is why Cingular is in a 3way tie for first in the south east, and
Verizon is not one of the 3. I am sure, as reports indicate, Verizon has a
much better national network, but thats not my concern. Here in Upstate, SC
and Western, NC is my primary concern.

What is your view on Alltel coverage there?

Also, do you travel in Fairfield County near Lake Wateree, but away from
I-77? If you do what is your coverage on Cingular like there? That is a
Verizon weak spot, but I go there a lot and would like good coverage.



"Jason Cothran" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "RichardMNixon, Jr." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Jason,
> >
> > You must not travel much in NC and SC because once you get five miles
> from
> > a major highway outside of a city your Cingular phone might as well be a
> > brick. Verizon has an infinitely better network in the Carolinas and
far
> > fewer holes outside of the major cities, although I must admit in really
> > rural areas it too has limitations. Cingular's is getting better as they
> > build out the network, but it is not close to Verizon's. The best, I
> think,
> > though, is Alltel, which I am considering switching to. Alltel, which
is
> > more a rural carrier, has really spent a lot in the last few years
putting
> > in coverage and filling in holes in rural markets in the Carolinas and
it
> > really shows. Everyone I know with Cingular in the greater Charlotte
area
> > and in Columbia, Rock Hill, etc. constantly complains also about getting
> > network busy signals, having dropped calls, etc. Anyway, I am glad your
> > experience has been a good one, but it does equal what I am hearing from
> > others here.
> >
> Actually I travel a good bit, and have seen the exact opposite from others
I
> know on Verizon, especially down around Newberry (not far out of
Columbia).
> I can attest to three areas very well.... Cingular's coverage is much
better
> in rural areas in Spartanburg county, Laurens county, and Newberry. For
the
> most part, Verizon is dead in the back woods areas of these counties,
which
> I am sure is why Cingular is in a 3way tie for first in the south east,
and
> Verizon is not one of the 3. I am sure, as reports indicate, Verizon has a
> much better national network, but thats not my concern. Here in Upstate,
SC
> and Western, NC is my primary concern.
>
>

"RichardMNixon, Jr." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
| What is your view on Alltel coverage there?
|
| Also, do you travel in Fairfield County near Lake Wateree, but away from
| I-77? If you do what is your coverage on Cingular like there? That is a
| Verizon weak spot, but I go there a lot and would like good coverage.
|
|
|

Sorry, but I can't speak of that particular area. The majority of my
travelling in the upstate is done around the I26 or I85 areas. As a matter
of fact, I don't think I have ever been on I77 for any extended period of
time in SC, I have in NC though. You may want to toss a new topic up about
it so anyone reading the newsgroup not in this particular thread may see it
and respond if they know how the coverage is in that area.

Cingular TDMA (of all things) from Greenville, SC has improved this
year. I am from northern NJ. In February, when dialing 908 (north
Jersey), a voice would always cut in to say it would roam and what phone
company was to handle it. Not so last month. (609/South Jersy was always
OK).

Jason Cothran wrote:
> "RichardMNixon, Jr." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Jason,
>>
>>You must not travel much in NC and SC because once you get five miles
>
> from
>
>>a major highway outside of a city your Cingular phone might as well be a
>>brick. Verizon has an infinitely better network in the Carolinas and far
>>fewer holes outside of the major cities, although I must admit in really
>>rural areas it too has limitations. Cingular's is getting better as they
>>build out the network, but it is not close to Verizon's. The best, I
>
> think,
>
>>though, is Alltel, which I am considering switching to. Alltel, which is
>>more a rural carrier, has really spent a lot in the last few years putting
>>in coverage and filling in holes in rural markets in the Carolinas and it
>>really shows. Everyone I know with Cingular in the greater Charlotte area
>>and in Columbia, Rock Hill, etc. constantly complains also about getting
>>network busy signals, having dropped calls, etc. Anyway, I am glad your
>>experience has been a good one, but it does equal what I am hearing from
>>others here.
>>
>
> Actually I travel a good bit, and have seen the exact opposite from others I
> know on Verizon, especially down around Newberry (not far out of Columbia).
> I can attest to three areas very well.... Cingular's coverage is much better
> in rural areas in Spartanburg county, Laurens county, and Newberry. For the
> most part, Verizon is dead in the back woods areas of these counties, which
> I am sure is why Cingular is in a 3way tie for first in the south east, and
> Verizon is not one of the 3. I am sure, as reports indicate, Verizon has a
> much better national network, but thats not my concern. Here in Upstate, SC
> and Western, NC is my primary concern.
>
>

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:32:34 -0600, N R <my_computer@is_spam.free> chose to
add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

>Mikey wrote:
>> yeah, perhaps take a semester of English 101 instead of spending 3 months
>> beta testing phones.
>
>You should not say that. You did capitalize the word 'yeah'; you did
>not ***** out the number 'three'; you did not include the subject 'you'
>when referring to the previous poster; and the phrase 'instead of
>spending' is awkward.

You, otoh, meant to say that he did *not* capitalize "yeah"; using numbers
instead of *****ing them out is common Usenet practice, to reduce bandwidth
consumption; you, 4 times, used single quotation marks where you should
have used doubles (at least in American practice); the subject and helping
verb ("you should") may be omitted if they are understood; and your last
complaint is bull****.

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